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Maybe it's not the manager to blame.
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anyone but Southgate anyone but Southgate anyone but Southgate
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If they're seriously saying to go back to Hoddle, then go back to El Tel. Last manager to get England to a semi, 20 years ago!
I'd rather see an ex-player with some passion have a go. Like they said in the TV studio they can't do any worse. |
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I wonder if the FA will try to get the public back on side by getting Beckham in the setup in some capacity. Not as manager obviously, but somewhere.
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Maybe it's not the manager to blame.
You see from the better performing teams they have a well sorted formation and strategy that makes it easy for players to fit in and play the position they do at their club. The team is more important than the individual. Play a formation they're familiar with and play them in their natural position so they can play instinctively and not have to think about what they're doing. Then you can play people in form and not just the 'big names' if they all can step into the team knowing exactly what is going on and is required of them. As a nation we don't have world class players so we need to manage them like Iceland or the smaller nations, or as many suggest Leicester. How do the 'minnows' outperform the big teams? Down to good management and having true leaders off and on the pitch. |
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The issue isn't the manager, it goes far deeper than that. Last night, joking aside, good players went to pieces. Experienced top level footballers some are young and fearless, some are older and experienced all went into full scale panic mode in the knockout stages of a tournament again.
England have tried every type of manager in the last 20 years with no noticeable difference. Hoddle the cultured ex player, Sven the high profile foreigner, McClaren the respected coach, Capello the experienced disciplinarian, etc etc etc - it made little difference to the end result. Every time there is an undignified exit its easy to blame the manager or the players as being the short term problem but taking a broader view this has been ongoing for decades. |
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Big Sam would do the necessary regarding defensive organisation. He'd put some steel in the team. Longer term I'd like to see Eddie Howe get the job but I think he needs to prove himself in a top job. He's only really been successful at Bournemouth, he didn't work the same magic at Burnley.
Of non English contenders, Laurent Blanc is available and would be a great choice. Pochetino would be great if he was available. Not LvG at any price. But not Southgate, he shouldn't even be on the list. A failure at club management level and I can't see him Inspiring the big egos among the players. Duller than Hoddle and that's saying something. |
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The issue isn't the manager, it goes far deeper than that. Last night, joking aside, good players went to pieces. Experienced top level footballers some are young and fearless, some are older and experienced all went into full scale panic mode in the knockout stages of a tournament again.
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The issue isn't the manager, it goes far deeper than that. Last night, joking aside, good players went to pieces. Experienced top level footballers some are young and fearless, some are older and experienced all went into full scale panic mode in the knockout stages of a tournament again.
England have tried every type of manager in the last 20 years with no noticeable difference. Hoddle the cultured ex player, Sven the high profile foreigner, McClaren the respected coach, Capello the experienced disciplinarian, etc etc etc - it made little difference to the end result. Every time there is an undignified exit its easy to blame the manager or the players as being the short term problem but taking a broader view this has been ongoing for decades. |
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How about Arsene Wenger?
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This is the manager's fault though. There was no system to fall back on and no defensive organisation. Hodgson didn't know his best team or his best system. Even great players can fail in that situation..
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I'd take Wenger, I'd take Koeman, I'd take bilic . I know these aren't available but we need someone who shows that they are knowledgeable tactically.... Saying that, g neville talks a good game!
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Of the English lot I would go for:
Mark Warburton Nigel Pearson Of the foreign lot I would go for: Marcelo Bielsa Jurgen Klopp Slaven Bilic |
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This is the manager's fault though. There was no system to fall back on and no defensive organisation. Hodgson didn't know his best team or his best system. Even great players can fail in that situation..
We can happily blame Hodgson for mistakes this time round and that's fine and justified but there is always a reason isn't there? Capello didn't engage with the players, McClaren was a coach not a manager, Hoddle still thought he could play and was condescending etc etc. Individually each reason is justified by it cant always be as simple as a hard luck story IMO. Players do care, regardless of what people say, and overall the guys who play for England do well with their clubs and handle pressure etc there, its bizarre how it consistently goes wrong at international level. |
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How about Mike Bassett?! His press conferences would be entertaining, and he'd insist England will be playing Four Four ****ing Two!
But seriously, I've no idea who could be next England manager, Gareth Southgate hardly fills me with confidence. In my opinion, it will be same at the World Cup, we'll sail through the qualifiers, and then fail miserably at the actual tournament. |
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Players care, even if it's just for themselves as opposed to their country.
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I'd take Wenger, I'd take Koeman, I'd take bilic . I know these aren't available but we need someone who shows that they are knowledgeable tactically.... Saying that, g neville talks a good game!
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Realistically I don't see the England job being appealing to Wenger Koeman or Bilic even if they were available.
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We have got to stop thinking of ourselves as a world power, going into matches thinking that we are favourites, we do not deserve such tags, we are the underdogs, we are the team that everyone else looks forward to playing, as we are do very easy to play against.
Our while mentality from the media, the press, the players, The FA is all totally wrong. Yes we have win one World Cup, but it was that long ago now that it is practically meaningless, how many people were alive when they did that? So that means nothing, in all practical meaning, at international level, we are a minnow, we have achieved nothing of note in the modern game. So until we actually accept that, and look at matches with that sort of outlook, rather than the "we are the favourites here", we will continue to fail time after time after time. We have done nothing, zero, nada, to even begin to think of ourselves as competitors for the top international titles. We need a complete re-think as to how we go about each tournament. It doesn't help things that the team are always separate from the fans, and interaction is at the very, very bare minimum, as if the players interacting with supporters is somehow a bad thing. There should be more open day training where the fans can see the players train, and actually get autographs/pictures etc with the players and coaching staff. There needs to be a sense of "we are all in this together", rather than the team being in five star hotels, and completely shut off from the people that support them. If we can change the whole set-up and mentality, then we might just stand a chance in future tournaments, but alas this is The FA we are talking about here, who only care about their blazers being from Armami, and living in London, their concern is certainly not to do with the team. So we will continue this circle of failure, as they just don't care enough to want wholesale change, which would interfere with their way of life. |
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How about Pellegrini?
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Definitely not Alan Shearer, he would be just the same has Roy, loyal to his favourite players rather than loyal to England.
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We have got to stop thinking of ourselves as a world power, going into matches thinking that we are favourites, we do not deserve such tags, we are the underdogs, we are the team that everyone else looks forward to playing, as we are do very easy to play against.
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Anyone seen the clip on Sky sports of Mclaren talking about the game for 45 seconds before Iceland second goal?
Total moron, every cliché under the sun, the sort of thing someone down the pub who watches less football than me would say.. Only threat is the big man etc... And that ignorance is one of England's top coaches.... |
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How about Pellegrini?
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