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We have got to stop thinking of ourselves as a world power, going into matches thinking that we are favourites, we do not deserve such tags, we are the underdogs, we are the team that everyone else looks forward to playing, as we are do very easy to play against.
Our while mentality from the media, the press, the players, The FA is all totally wrong. Yes we have win one World Cup, but it was that long ago now that it is practically meaningless, how many people were alive when they did that? So that means nothing, in all practical meaning, at international level, we are a minnow, we have achieved nothing of note in the modern game. So until we actually accept that, and look at matches with that sort of outlook, rather than the "we are the favourites here", we will continue to fail time after time after time. We have done nothing, zero, nada, to even begin to think of ourselves as competitors for the top international titles. We need a complete re-think as to how we go about each tournament. It doesn't help things that the team are always separate from the fans, and interaction is at the very, very bare minimum, as if the players interacting with supporters is somehow a bad thing. There should be more open day training where the fans can see the players train, and actually get autographs/pictures etc with the players and coaching staff. There needs to be a sense of "we are all in this together", rather than the team being in five star hotels, and completely shut off from the people that support them. If we can change the whole set-up and mentality, then we might just stand a chance in future tournaments, but alas this is The FA we are talking about here, who only care about their blazers being from Armami, and living in London, their concern is certainly not to do with the team. So we will continue this circle of failure, as they just don't care enough to want wholesale change, which would interfere with their way of life. |
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#127 |
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We haven't been underdogs in any of the competitive games we've played since the last World Cup and have been favourites. Your misunderstanding of simple concepts is soooo tiresome.
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#128 |
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Literally none of that has any basis in reality.
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Anyone seen the clip on Sky sports of Mclaren talking about the game for 45 seconds before Iceland second goal?
Total moron, every cliché under the sun, the sort of thing someone down the pub who watches less football than me would say.. Only threat is the big man etc... And that ignorance is one of England's top coaches.... ![]() McClaren was the coach when Man Utd won the treble so he isn't really some kind of clown then, not sure whats happened since mind. |
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#130 |
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Yes, it does, quite a lot of it, if not all of it actually.
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That is the trouble right there, we should look at ourselves as the underdogs, we do not deserve the tag of favourites, what exactly have done to warrant being favourites, inane knock out match, irrespective of who our opponents are??
b) How can anything be irrespective of who your opponents are? That's literally the only thing that decides who's the favourite. |
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Redknapp has ruled himself out with a scathing attack on the FA in the Telegraph.
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He was spot on though, as he was talking the big man scored!!
![]() McClaren was the coach when Man Utd won the treble so he isn't really some kind of clown then, not sure whats happened since mind. |
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#134 |
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We have got to stop thinking of ourselves as a world power, going into matches thinking that we are favourites, we do not deserve such tags, we are the underdogs, we are the team that everyone else looks forward to playing, as we are do very easy to play against.
Our while mentality from the media, the press, the players, The FA is all totally wrong. Yes we have win one World Cup, but it was that long ago now that it is practically meaningless, how many people were alive when they did that? So that means nothing, in all practical meaning, at international level, we are a minnow, we have achieved nothing of note in the modern game. So until we actually accept that, and look at matches with that sort of outlook, rather than the "we are the favourites here", we will continue to fail time after time after time. We have done nothing, zero, nada, to even begin to think of ourselves as competitors for the top international titles. We need a complete re-think as to how we go about each tournament. It doesn't help things that the team are always separate from the fans, and interaction is at the very, very bare minimum, as if the players interacting with supporters is somehow a bad thing. There should be more open day training where the fans can see the players train, and actually get autographs/pictures etc with the players and coaching staff. There needs to be a sense of "we are all in this together", rather than the team being in five star hotels, and completely shut off from the people that support them. If we can change the whole set-up and mentality, then we might just stand a chance in future tournaments, but alas this is The FA we are talking about here, who only care about their blazers being from Armami, and living in London, their concern is certainly not to do with the team. So we will continue this circle of failure, as they just don't care enough to want wholesale change, which would interfere with their way of life. If you read many of the posts on here I would say if I was a player interacting with fans would be a bad idea Never mind the compete and utter nonsense about blazers and I am not sure you could name many senior members of the FA without using Goggle never mind knowing where they actually live |
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You dont think England should have been favourites in a match against Iceland and you actually think that has any influence over the outcome? No sorry you don't seem to know what you are talking about.
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a) People aren't underdogs by deciding amongst themselves or being a bit crap on certain stages.
b) How can anything be irrespective of who your opponents are? That's literally the only thing that decides who's the favourite. We have not done anything in knock-out football to deserve or warrant the term of being favourites, until we do, that will remain the case. |
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So part of the problem with professional footballers is they have soft towels in the hotel and don't sign a picture and meet a bunch of random children? Really? In what logical world is that remotely logical?
Never mind the compete and utter nonsense about blazers and I am not sure you could name many senior members of the FA without using Goggle never mind knowing where they actually live Look for example at how the Icelandic team and fans celebrated in unity yesterday, when he we ever seen such things with our team? Once we can unit the fans and the team, and have a lot closer bond, then we can begin to see things improve at least with the feelings and sentiments. |
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As I said above, Iceland had far, far more things going in their favour coming into this match then we did, hence why they should have been the clear favourites for the match, and us the underdogs.
I thought your questions about odds and favourites before was just that you didn't understand betting, but you just don't understand the entire concept as a whole. |
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Iceland were the form team, had the confidence going into the match, and so rightly so, they should have been the favourites going into that match.
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As I said above, Iceland had far, far more things going in their favour coming into this match then we did, hence why they should have been the clear favourites for the match, and us the underdogs. Why should Iceland have been favourites? This literally makes no sense. England should never be favourites again even if they have better players? What is this great Icelandic football history compared to England's that makes them favourites?
We have not done anything in knock-out football to deserve or warrant the term of being favourites, until we do, that will remain the case. |
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I thought the problem with England was that they always got found out when they came up against quality opposition like Italy or Germany in a tournament.
Now it seems they cannot beat even a supposedly inferior side like Iceland. Basically this suggests there are problems with England's entire approach to tournament play, whether that is down to the manager or the players, or both. |
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I'd give it Big Sam in an instant. He's not a fashionable manager, but his teams are robust, they do play decent football when he's got the players at his disposal (his Bolton team got more and more attractive the longer they were in the Premiership without sacrificing their solidity) and he's the only Englishman I believe could actually turn this sow's ear of a defence into a silk purse.
However, Gareth Southgate's a nice, well spoken, younger and better looking man and can probably draw up a pretty looking power point presentation so I imagine the ex-broadcaster running the English FA will give him the job instead. |
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Part if the problem is that disconnect between the fans and the players, the team does seem to be separate from them, rather than being a part of them as one cohesive unit.
Look for example at how the Icelandic team and fans celebrated in unity yesterday, when he we ever seen such things with our team? Once we can unit the fans and the team, and have a lot closer bond, then we can begin to see things improve at least with the feelings and sentiments. Maybe if we solved the many actual issues with English football we could start looking at things that are not a issue and utterly irrelevant on every single possible level like "feelings and sentiments" but that's only if the FA got very bored one day |
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Their group stage results were literally identical.
Why should Iceland have been favourites? This literally makes no sense. England should never be favourites again even if they have better players? What is this great Icelandic football history compared to England's that makes them favourites? |
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Iceland were the form team, had the confidence going into the match, and so rightly so, they should have been the favourites going into that match.
As I said above, Iceland had far, far more things going in their favour coming into this match then we did, hence why they should have been the clear favourites for the match, and us the underdogs. We have not done anything in knock-out football to deserve or warrant the term of being favourites, until we do, that will remain the case. Secondly Hodgson would have been absolutely crucified if he had spoken the way you are speaking now and suggested that Iceland were the more likely side to win. Thirdly if Iceland should have been favourites and they won what are you making a drama about? In your eyes England lost to a team they should have lost to so there is no disgrace in that? Or fourthly you are just not making much sense at all and talking about irrelevant things |
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Maybe we can get David Brent to do a team bonding day with the team and some random fans?
Rooney can be the person on reception of a hotel (not a 5 star one of course because that would not be helpful as nurses teachers etc etc cannot afford to stay in them) and Johnny Smith can be the customer. |
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Redknapp has ruled himself out with a scathing attack on the FA in the Telegraph.
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Maybe we can get David Brent to do a team bonding day with the team and some random fans?
Rooney can be the person on reception of a hotel (not a 5 star one of course because that would not be helpful as nurses teachers etc etc cannot afford to stay in them) and Johnny Smith can be the customer. |
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Redknapp ruling himself out is like Ryan Shawcross retiring from international duty.
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Send Delli Ali to Afghanistan and don't let him back until he's killed ten random civilians like a real man!
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#149 |
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Firstly England don't decide to be favourites that is decided by the bookmakers and given the money they make they are generally correct.
Secondly Hodgson would have been absolutely crucified if he had spoken the way you are speaking now and suggested that Iceland were the more likely side to win. Thirdly if Iceland should have been favourites and they won what are you making a drama about? In your eyes England lost to a team they should have lost to so there is no disgrace in that? Or fourthly you are just not making much sense at all and talking about irrelevant things 2) Managers are always going to support their team in public, so him doing so was always the obvious thing, I expect nothing less, that doesn't mean that the press/media have to say the same things. 3) I am complaing about our attitude towards this match, Iceland fully deserved the win, and we once again will have to change our mentality. I don't have much hope in that regards sadly. 4) I am making plenty of sense. |
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Redknapp has ruled himself out with a scathing attack on the FA in the Telegraph.
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