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Inquest in England. I dont care just get rid of them |
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Rooney's move to midfield arguably proved a success for United though, it just didn't work for England unfortunately.
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I think playing in Premier League teams makes the English players look better than they are. It's always easier when you have quality players around you, get good service if you're a striker, and have the reassurance of a solid defence. Most of the key players providing that are foreign.
Face it, we have to look at why we don't produce enough technically adept players in this country. I think it is the whole culture here -- the coaches, and us, the fans too. If you try to play technical football in front of an English (or indeed British) crowd, after about 30 seconds they're getting restless and shouting "SHOOT!" It's hard to develop as a technical player in that environment. If you watch Spanish or Italian football, the crowds seem quite content for teams to play patiently. |
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^^But really is that an excuse. They were playing a Country, who don't have any professional football teams, a manger whose a dentist, and players who can barely get into our Championship sides or play for relegated teams.
Populations and money they are paid counts for nothing if the players mentally collapse, which is what they all did. They are human beings who simply were unable to cope with the pressure and expectations. It happens in all sports and all walks of life. |
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^^ Well I suggest then that they all stop playing football, if they can't play in front of 35,000 people, 30,000 of which were up until the 20th min supporting them.
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At last a sensible suggestion. Quit instead of working to overcome it.
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^^ Well I suggest then that they all stop playing football, if they can't play in front of 35,000 people, 30,000 of which were up until the 20th min supporting them.
![]() Why should they stop playing football just because they couldn't step up and deliver for England at this level? Rooney, Gerarrd, Lamps and many others have failed at this level, but it didn't stop them having top class careers for their clubs. |
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it's not about wanting it more, we just play dark ages football, there's no subtlety or guile at all, we play only with our bodies and not with our brains
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We have these inquests every two years, nothing ever changes. The players will feel sorry for themselves for a few days, they'll go on holiday, return to their clubs and the new season will start, by now players and fans alike will have forgotten about the Euro's. The new manager will be in place, the WC qualifiers will start, England will qualify and we'll do the whole thing all over again in two years. Rinse and repeat for the next 50 years.
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As long as we chuck a few shootout exits in there now and then, it's the perfect England formula.
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I haven't got 50 years realistically
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![]() Why should they stop playing football just because they couldn't step up and deliver for England at this level? Rooney, Gerarrd, Lamps and many others have failed at this level, but it didn't stop them having top class careers for their clubs. |
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It's not an excuse, it's s reality!
Populations and money they are paid counts for nothing if the players mentally collapse, which is what they all did. They are human beings who simply were unable to cope with the pressure and expectations. It happens in all sports and all walks of life. |
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This was not worst than under Graham Taylor. We didn't actually qualify for the World Cup in 1994.
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Oh I don't know maybe because as multi millionaires they should "man up and grow a set" and stop whining like little bi*ches.
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If we "just get rid of them" (as stated in the topic title,) who do we play instead then? If only the solution was as simple as that.
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We have these inquests every two years, nothing ever changes. The players will feel sorry for themselves for a few days, they'll go on holiday, return to their clubs and the new season will start, by now players and fans alike will have forgotten about the Euro's. The new manager will be in place, the WC qualifiers will start, England will qualify and we'll do the whole thing all over again in two years. Rinse and repeat for the next 50 years.
In one major tournament England will do well. It may be a complete fluke that we do well but if you roll a dice enough times you get a six. This is how I would approach managing England. Just tell them to play crap but hope for a lucky six. I feel this is the best approach.
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It's strange how Germany's player have got no problem with the pressure and expectations and they are world champions so there is even more pressure on them.
They are totally different people. Different people react to different situations and pressures. |
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Not really
They are totally different people. Different people react to different situations and pressures. |
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While that's true even Shearer himself said on MOTD that the reason isn't due to pressure. He should know as an ex England player himself.
While he might or might not handle the pressure that is not to say totally different people would do so or not so in a different way. He has not really worked to any real degree with the majority of the players concerned and more then likely spent very little time with them as well. It is very easy for people to say what certain people should or should not be feeling but reality is often quite different. The only people who can really talk about the pressures concerned and how it is handled are those actual people. |
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Raheem Sterling has had sessions with a psychologist, that's just one we know of. Any idea of footballers being a single hivemind or that having money means they should be able to 'man up' is out of touch with reality.
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Yes I watched the match. So ? My point still stands. No, the manager isn't solely to blame for this performance. This is supposed to be a team effort . Everyone shares their responsibility in this abysmal performance.
Did I say Roy was SOLEY to blame?. Nope, I didn't. Roy was TOTALLY responsible for the tactical formation, the picking of the squad and the match team sheet. He was the one who didn't settle on one team of players coming in to the tournament, picked players out of their natural positions, decided that Jack Wilshire was fit to play when he should have been left at home.. There is enough blame to go around, it goes from the FA on down. |
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Again is a different person to those concerned.
While he might or might not handle the pressure that is not to say totally different people would do so or not so in a different way. He has not really worked to any real degree with the majority of the players concerned and more then likely spent very little time with them as well. It is very easy for people to say what certain people should or should not be feeling but reality is often quite different. The only people who can really talk about the pressures concerned and how it is handled are those actual people. |
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I don't think its to do with the money as most top nations have players earning millions* and I'd like to think they are motivated to play for England (if they aren't then that is the start of our problems!)
We just simply lacked any plan or ability to perform last night - was that down to pressure or being complacent? We had quite a few Spurs players in the side - look at the way they cracked when the real expectation was on at the end of last season..all good players but mentally wise do they have it? I only saw the 2nd half but we did we even have a worthwhile chance of note? The result was awful but the performance even worse! *The issue in this country is that young players demand silly money even before they've kicked a ball hence clubs buying from overseas. |
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Well I said this after the World Cup and I've said it this time, English football is a laughing stock of the world, and I'd publicly fire 8 of those players last night, no if's or buts, tell them to go away, and when they decide they actually want to put some pride into their effort, we may consider them again.
And all you guys on here and the pundits who kept telling us that England were great against Russia, please stop saying that. You give the players a false sense of security. They were sh*t in all 3 group games, and got found out last night. I said to my wife if England manage to pull this one off, then France will take them apart. I also mentioned to my wife the anthems, Iceland straight backs, upright looking proud to be playing for their country, England slouching and looked scared or at least not interested in the game. It's about time we stopped taking players from the premiership, we should be taking the best players, and not just on skill or who they play for. How can a player be eligible to play in May then his team gets relegated and suddenly he's not wanted anymore. Wales, Iceland and both Irelands are proving, you don't need a full team of overpaid, and overhyped players to win, you need a team, willing to give it 110% all the time and actually take some pride in playing for their country, their fans and their teammates. After England's dire performance in the rugby world cup, a clean broom was brought in, this is what's needed here, get rid of everybody in the management side of the game, not just the manger, the entire FA needs sorting out. Sack the captain, and about 3 or 4 of the other players. Lets start again. |
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TBF the likely winners will probably have highly paid highly skilled footballers in their team with inflated egos (Ronaldo anyone?) so we do need more than players running around showing passion and heart belting out the nation anthem..
Concentrating from set plays and having the ability to create chances against strong defences comes to mind.. Is that down to the manager or the players on the pitch? Simply we are not a tournament team - and I don't buy the excuses about being tired or having pressure all teams would have that. |
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