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The Future of the England Team
What are your realistic aims for the England Team going forward and winning tournaments. The FA Said Semis for Euro 2020 and Winning World Cup for 2022. Surley though we can't do that as we couldn't even beat iceland today
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I expect us to qualify for these tournaments and then get eliminated in an embarassing manner
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If you set realistic aims, you've already lost.
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i think we will finish top of the qualifying group with ease,, then the manager will pick all his favourites based on no real formation, or have a style of play or a change of player for a plan B , and then get knocked out either with penalties or with us playing shite.
Its been the same for many years why expect any difference, except with hodgson he especially took the piss with using square pegs for round holes. |
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i think we will finish top of the qualifying group with ease,, then the manager will pick all his favourites based on no real formation, or have a style of play or a change of player for a plan B , and then get knocked out either with penalties or with us playing shite.
Its been the same for many years why expect any difference, except with hodgson he especially took the piss with using square pegs for round holes. Lee Dixon on ITV hit the nail on the head when he said that even in the last friendly before the tournament he hadn't settled on his best team, wtf!. There are too many things wrong with tonight's farce to list, but the biggest one is the managers fault, and no one else's in that you play the players where they are comfortable. |
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Getting to the semi final of the world cup by 2026 will be a challenge.
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I expect us to qualify for these tournaments and then get eliminated in an embarassing manner
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i think we will finish top of the qualifying group with ease,, then the manager will pick all his favourites based on no real formation, or have a style of play or a change of player for a plan B , and then get knocked out either with penalties or with us playing shite.
Its been the same for many years why expect any difference, except with hodgson he especially took the piss with using square pegs for round holes. Insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results, well that just sums us up I think. As you so very eloquently point out, we do the same things all the time, and think that this time it will be different, well guess what, until we actually do something different, then the same things will continue to happen! |
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We won't get anywhere in 2020 - there is enough complaining about having too many games and the players getting tired.
With that World cup in Qatar so how will the players cope... |
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I think a perfect qualifying record for 2018 world cup followed by a defeat to Morrisons in the tournament.
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I'm not too concerned about winning and competing at competitions in the near-future, because I'd rather see a development plan implemented to instil a sense of identity, style of play and ethos for future generations. I have been saying it for years - English players are not good enough, so they haven't "underachieved" they simply cannot compete (being on home soil is an exception).
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A 10-15 year plan, like the one Germany implemented that has seen the creation of their current team, is essential.
The FA have no clue. You can change England managers as much as you want but facts are facts - a team with huge amounts of experience at the highest club level couldn't beat a team of largely semi-professionals. Why? Heart. Desire. Determination. Teamwork. Patriotism. England don't have it. They haven't had it for nearly 20 years now. |
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Confidence and belief. They see the sword of damocles above them waiting to strike when they miss a penalty/get sent off/etc and are so afraid of that potential that they usher it in by being inhibited.
Combine that with a media who dismiss other nations and look ahead to the next round and you've a recipe for disaster. Oh...and as a generalisation - they (their media and many fans) are the most individualistic country around. That doesn't help in team sports. Although...time for some perspective....they are far from the worst country around. Probably a mid level European team. They just aren't as good as their media thinks or some of their fans expect. |
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English FA Post Match Press Conference
Hodgson: "I don't know what I'm doing here" Nor do we Roy, nor do we. |
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A 10-15 year plan, like the one Germany implemented that has seen the creation of their current team, is essential.
The FA have no clue. You can change England managers as much as you want but facts are facts - a team with huge amounts of experience at the highest club level couldn't beat a team of largely semi-professionals. . Iceland played with a stable back 4/5 defence, they also had well drilled midfielders who knew where they could pass the ball. Add to that they took what chances came their way, and that was how we were beaten. Because England had none of the above. BUT. As regards your idea of copying the 15 yr plan like the Germans, didn't we have that from the FA years ago?. Wasn't the reason they spent millions at Lilleshal was to bring forth the next generation of players?. Why did that fail so miserably, or has it?. |
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England wont get to the semis of any tournament. We have not got the skills, set-up or the players. I have said it before on here, the FA needs dismantling. Its the EPL that rules this country's national game.
We don't give kids the freedom to play. I'd rip up the whole game in this country and start again . We cant get any worse than we are now. I'd delete our history and ditch the FA Cup too. |
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One question that has to be answered: Is it simply that we are rubbish, or are we better than last nights performance suggested but that we under performed?
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Another problem is we have a vastly inflated opinion of our national game. We are just very, very poor when it comes to all things football. The EPL is overrated. We have too many mediocre clubs. We need less clubs and more focus. But I have been saying this for decades. Nothing will change. We will be here in 2018.
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Another problem is we have a vastly inflated opinion of our national game. We are just very, very poor when it comes to all things football. The EPL is overrated. We have too many mediocre clubs. We need less clubs and more focus. But I have been saying this for decades. Nothing will change. We will be here in 2018.
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International players on a free? Every single one.
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Agree with a lot said, so much wrong that is not within FA's power to change much and so much wrong with the FA. Unless there is some fundamental change it will be the same disappointment for England.
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If the entire England team were out of contract tomorrow with their clubs just how many, if any, would be snapped up immediately by foreign football clubs?
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It's the lack of self-belief. England seem to lose it at the group phase and second round. Some weird mental block. Sort of like a fit horse unable to jump over a hurdle or a good driver unable to do a three point turn.
I think the FA need to get some psychiatrists to study the minds of the players. See if they can get rid of the mental block that inhibits their performance. I dunno if it will work but it's worth a shot. A lot of success in sport is down to confidence and that is all in the mind. |
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It's the lack of self-belief. England seem to lose it at the group phase and second round. Some weird mental block. Sort of like a fit horse unable to jump over a hurdle or a good driver unable to do a three point turn.
I think the FA need to get some psychiatrists to study the minds of the players. See if they can get rid of the mental block that inhibits their performance. I dunno if it will work but it's worth a shot. A lot of success in sport is down to confidence and that is all in the mind. |
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We will not see England in the final of a major tournament as Roy seems to think. I remember hearing Sven saying England will win something with Rooney! That hasn't happened.
The whole set up needs changing. Everything from the 3 lions badge/logo to the whole football set-up in this country. |
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