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Should Rooney still be England captain?
In aftermath of losing to Iceland, Roy Hodgson immediately resigns, but what about Wayne Rooney? He holds a position of responsibility and authority in the England team being the captain, should the captaincy be changed now as well perhaps?
I suppose it depends whether or not you regard the captaincy as that important, too many its just a meaningless honour role. But if you lose to a team like Iceland in the way you did, then to be honest big changes need to occur all over the place. I don't know how long Rooney has left for England, to me, he was still one of Englands better players in the tournament, but I suspect because of his 'legend' status being the all time top scorer and likely to be most capped player ever, he'll stay on for far too long and given more influence than he should. |
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Rooney was awful in the Iceland game. He passed to the Iceland players. his long game was non-existent. He's a great club player but he's rarely delivered at the tv knockout stage of tournaments. He's had his time. I think it's time to find younger strikers for future tournaments.
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Rooney is not a leader, that was very clear tonight. England needed someone on that pitch to bang their heads together and lead by example, you'd expect that from a captain but it didn't happen. Contrast Rooney going off tonight to Ashley Williams on Saturday for Wales, Williams was determined to stay on even with an injured arm and it would have taken someone dragging him off the pitch for him to leave, tonight Rooney looked like he couldn't wait to get off and leave the absolute disaster that was happening on the pitch!
He should have been leading the charge but he wasn't. I don't think he is captain material to be honest with you and the title is more of a hindrance to him than a help. |
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He trooped off the field after being substituted like the team were winning and he nothing left to do, he looked like the game was up and he just didn't care.
Any player who cared would have demanded his manager keep him on the pitch to try to get an equaliser. Pathetic, overpaid and a less inspirational captain I have yet to see. Wrong decision from Hodgson to ever make him the captain ..... he is no leader, never has been and never will. I wonder whether Mourhinio will keep him as club captain, he should take the arm band from him, that was LVG's failure too. |
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Rooney is not a leader, that was very clear tonight. England needed someone on that pitch to bang their heads together and lead by example, you'd expect that from a captain but it didn't happen. Contrast Rooney going off tonight to Ashley Williams on Saturday for Wales, Williams was determined to stay on even with an injured arm and it would have taken someone dragging him off the pitch for him to leave, tonight Rooney looked like he couldn't wait to get off and leave the absolute disaster that was happening on the pitch!
He should have been leading the charge but he wasn't. I don't think he is captain material to be honest with you and the title is more of a hindrance to him than a help. |
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Rooney shouldnt even neccessarily be in the starting lineup, never mind captain.
The new manager will have a choice on his hands for captain though. Obviously you need someone who is going to be a nailed on starter, but we dont really have many of them right now! Prior to the tournament maybe Joe Hart would have been an option, no one can fault his passion, but after his peformances his place is potentially in jeopardy. Who else is there - Cahill?! I do think Dier will make a good England captain eventually, but it is obviously way way too soon for him yet. |
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Total tosh about Rooney should have made a fuss and refused to come off the field with 5 minutes left...
But of course he would not be in the team any longer. |
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He trooped off the field after being substituted like the team were winning and he nothing left to do, he looked like the game was up and he just didn't care.
Any player who cared would have demanded his manager keep him on the pitch to try to get an equaliser. Pathetic, overpaid and a less inspirational captain I have yet to see. Wrong decision from Hodgson to ever make him the captain ..... he is no leader, never has been and never will. I wonder whether Mourhinio will keep him as club captain, he should take the arm band from him, that was LVG's failure too. |
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If he was pleading not to go off he'd be slagged off for being petulant and selfish and wasting precious time. A captain and professional should respect a manager's decision, going off promptly without fuss was one of the few things he can't be criticised for.
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The way Rooney played in that match suggests he ought never play for England again. It was worse than even his performance against Algeria in 2010.
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The way Rooney played in that match suggests he ought never play for England again. It was worse than even his performance against Algeria in 2010.
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I have always believed this tournament was Rooney's last chance to seize some of the adulation that is accorded to players who bring some measure of success to England. I hope he now decides to retire from international football, making any decision about the captaincy and him redundant. He has had his day.
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Rooney will be in the Beckham position here I fear. If he stays he will be hammered for it but if he walks away he will be criticised too.
I think there is still a place for him in and around the team but I think he should be stood down as captain. The problem is its not easy to think of any natural captains in the England team given the situation whereby Rooney was being hammered for being undroppable. You need to be captain material and not be the target of people wanting you dropped. Not easy! |
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Played well first 3 games then fell apart with the rest of them (was actually worse than most) after Iceland took the lead. Looked short of belief along with the rest of them as though they weren't prepared for Iceland to test them and believed their own press.
It's the same as any other issue of replacing someone - who is the outstanding candidate because I don't see any imposing leader types really. |
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Rooney should retire from International football.
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Even ignoring his woeful performance, the fact that he didnt have the balls to face the media last night should alone be enough for him to be stripped of the captaincy. What other captain of England would gave gone into hiding last night. Both Rooney and Hodgson were a disgrace for not offering explanations yesterday.. Roy knew he was going do didnt care, Rooney should follow suit.
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If he was pleading not to go off he'd be slagged off for being petulant and selfish and wasting precious time. A captain and professional should respect a manager's decision, going off promptly without fuss was one of the few things he can't be criticised for.
He will probably hurt more than most... |
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Think its time Wayne retired from internationals.
He looked completely bereft of ideas last night, seemed not even to try to get the team together in the second half. But, lets not lose sight that the entire team played badly. I look forward to Wayne's autobiography when he retires, I bet there are some behind the scenes rows that never got in the press about the positions they played in. |
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It was Rooney's worst performance for England but he was played completely out of position. He's a striker not a midfielder and if they can't play there then don't play him.
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It's fair to say that Rooney had a terrible game against Iceland, you can forgive somebody for that. But why in the capacity of England captain was he unable to rally the rest of the team together to function as a team in the Iceland match?
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Are people seriously suggesting that Rooney should have been arguing with the manager over the decision?
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My wife said he looked tired.
In the second half he was caught on the ball continually. Looked past it. |
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Don't pick a captain, just decide from game to game for now.
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Don't pick a captain, just decide from game to game for now.
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I am not a Rooney hater, nor did I mean to suggest that he should have refused to go off. I said about Ashley Williams in my other post and whilst part of me admired his grit at the time both myself and my mother (both Swansea City fans) were screaming at him to get off the pitch.
I guess what I meant is that he didn't show much passion last night, he isn't the only one and he wasn't the worst player on the pitch BUT you'd expect a captain to be leading the charge so to speak. Think of Roy Keane against Juventus for Man UTD when they went two nil down, some of the other players let their heads drop and he led by example, scored a goal to bring them back into the game, got booked and knew he would miss the final but still put in one hell of a shift to dig United out of a hole. |
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