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surely nostalgia plays a huge part in the enjoyment of music? dunno about others but nostalgia is important to me, tracks from an age help fix memories from that time. this is why i still try to listen to the radio... and chart material. i dont want a track from 50 odd years ago to remind me of todays times.
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Nostalgia is not even a small part of my enjoyment of music. I like the buzz from hearing something for the first time and falling in love with it. That doesn't mean I don't like old music, but I listen to old music for that buzz, not for what it reminds me of.
How you appreciate music I suspect like everyone else is predicated on all your listening experiences over time. I would be really surprised if over time you had made no association between music and things you have done in your life. Nostalgia has become associated with sentimentality but really memories are a great part of who you are. |
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Nostalgia is not even a small part of my enjoyment of music. I like the buzz from hearing something for the first time and falling in love with it. That doesn't mean I don't like old music, but I listen to old music for that buzz, not for what it reminds me of.
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utter cack!
![]() you had the dance revolution that mixed rave, house, techno from the late 80's right through into the early 00's. there was madchester, grunge, britpop too. |
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Almost all my favourite bands are either Scandinavian or oddly enough, Dutch. Seems most of the best metal bands (in my opinion) are Scandinavian and most of the best gothic metal bands are Scandinavian/ Dutch. Really good and friendly metal scenes too.
I feel the US metal scenes try to be too macho and really just don't get it, and the UK scenes too hipster and pretentious, but most of all, what matters most, the music just isn't as good. |
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So how does that contradict what I said about people who were born after 1980? A year or two if you're being picky.
" It's as if all creativity died after that and that everything which followed is just background music for TV ads. " which is untrue. |
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You seem to treat your consumption of music like you were consuming a drug.
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I think we've now reached the stage where for anybody born after about 1980, music doesn't really exist in any form that will ever trigger nostalgia. It's as if all creativity died after that and that everything which followed is just background music for TV ads.
I think it depends more on the person than the decade they were born in. There are lots of atmospheric bands after 1980, just most of them aren't mainstream. |
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I'm an 80's kid and I often think I feel nostalgia much stronger than other people (probably rubbish), but I do go on about it a lot. Depending on mood, I do like atmosphere in music.
I think it depends more on the person than the decade they were born in. There are lots of atmospheric bands after 1980, just most of them aren't mainstream. |
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Somebody else hasn't really taken in what I said. If you were born in 1980, you probably weren't really aware of most music until about 1990. The 1990s were exceptionally rich in excellent music. It was after Nirvana and then Britpop that decent music virtually disappeared.
You're just focusing on popular trends. I did like Nirvana and Britpop, but most of the music I like from the 90's wasn't well known. At the end of the day, I don't think it really matters what the masses think, or what people perceive the masses think. I know I have music I feel very nostalgic about, it's as simple as that for me really. |
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Somebody else hasn't really taken in what I said. If you were born in 1980, you probably weren't really aware of most music until about 1990. The 1990s were exceptionally rich in excellent music. It was after Nirvana and then Britpop that decent music virtually disappeared.
now id fully agree that decent music has virtually disappeared now, and for me the last decade, but i dont think you can write off music after britpop like that until the mid 00's. |
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Fair enough I suppose, but I do have a bit of a mental block in imagining people getting all nostalgic about rave music when they're too old to dance around off their tits in an old aircraft hangar. I somehow doubt if Sanatogen tonic wine and statins have the same effect.
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it sounds like you have some ridiculous notions and confusing opinion with fact, and have a very poor knowledge of music history
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yeah yeah yeah that old chestnut. why would mainstream media ignore good music?
Nick Grimshaw is a DJ there, need I say more. Worst DJ of all time. |
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Not the OP mentioning Lana Del Rey as "star quality"
No one but tumblr fans are checking for her since Summertime Sadness remix. What makes you think otherwise?
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Bieber clone....nothing original.
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Almost all my favourite bands are either Scandinavian or oddly enough, Dutch. Seems most of the best metal bands (in my opinion) are Scandinavian and most of the best gothic metal bands are Scandinavian/ Dutch. Really good and friendly metal scenes too.
I feel the US metal scenes try to be too macho and really just don't get it, and the UK scenes too hipster and pretentious, but most of all, what matters most, the music just isn't as good. With this talk of nostalgia...I feel that proves my point about old UK music. People are enjoying it due to nostalgia/its memories rather than how it actually sounds to the ear now. Which to the ear it mostly just sounds incredibly dated. |
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That's not a bad analogy actually. I enjoy the sensations that good music creates, the warm glow when a musician plays a particularly satisfying solo or the shivers when a vocalist hits the notes just right. I like that lump in the throat when a lyric conveys perfectly the pleasure or pain of love or life.
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I stopped taking you seriously when you said the Pet Shop Boys were 'literally the worst thing I've ever heard'.
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I stopped taking you seriously when you said the Pet Shop Boys were 'literally the worst thing I've ever heard'.
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With this talk of nostalgia...I feel that proves my point about old UK music. People are enjoying it due to nostalgia/its memories rather than how it actually sounds to the ear now. Which to the ear it mostly just sounds incredibly dated.
With me, Britain doesn't have the highest amount of bands I like but that's because I can't be spending all my time looking for all the British bands. I have a playlist which features exclusively bands and singers from all four UK countries. A small sample; Blossoms - Charlemagne (Stockport) NZCA Lines - Two Hearts (London) Pixel Fix - I Want You the Same (Oxford) Get Inuit - Pro Procastinator (somewhere in Kent) Black Honey - All My Pride (Brighton) The Magic Gang - Jasmine (Brighton) Man Without Country - Deadsea (Cardiff) The last one I've shared in a previous thread, but I love it so much I need to show it again. These aren't obscure bands, they're just not shown to a big enough audience. |
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but why wont it?...
my problem is that i cannot fathom why 'good' music will be overlooked by mainstream and radio... it does not make sense. unless its only 'good' to a minority in which case is it really good? |
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This is nonsense - why, for decades, did a show like John Peel's exist, on Radio 1, at night, with a limited but loyal market? There was good music played on that but not something I would expect to hear during the daytime - and that was usually the case.
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Probably these people at BBC Radio who know f*ck all about good music and THINK they know what's good music and what to playlist. They should get better, more music-orientated people working at these kind of places. You and me would probably be better working there.
Nick Grimshaw is a DJ there, need I say more. Worst DJ of all time. |
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I stopped taking you seriously when you said the Pet Shop Boys were 'literally the worst thing I've ever heard'.
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edward in your first post you have listed mainly crap american acts, you have terrible taste, the singers you have named are almost uniformly bland mundane mainstream pop music which the exception of lana del rey who although mainstream is slgihtly more interesting than the rest
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Blossoms - Charlemagne (Stockport)
NZCA Lines - Two Hearts (London) Pixel Fix - I Want You the Same (Oxford) Get Inuit - Pro Procastinator (somewhere in Kent) Black Honey - All My Pride (Brighton) The Magic Gang - Jasmine (Brighton) Man Without Country - Deadsea (Cardiff) The last one I've shared in a previous thread, but I love it so much I need to show it again. These aren't obscure bands, they're just not shown to a big enough audience. |
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