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you don't have to. but it's your loss if you don't, and you just put up with crap you don't like instead of finding loads of great music you do like. times have changed
of course i do the (week) daily rare 60's thread which has thrown up some gems amongst the duller material. talking of the 60's, i hated glam/prog/philly of the early 70's , thats when i searched out 60's material. it was of course much harder in those days. times have changed?... maybe, obviously technology has made accessing music from all eras much easier. but i still dont think theres anything exciting going on now, not like there was from the 50's through to the turn of the century. those great movements made the news, from mods n rockers, through glam, punk, to britpop. didnt have to search for them. |
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Rob you are just one person that's where you are at , there isn't as much great music around and it is harder to find music I like as well but still I do but isn't that just cuz we are all getting old , the sounds we like have been recycled many times now and we dont really want to listen to most music in the charts so we have to dig deep or don't up to us
Saying that this week we have a new Biffy Clyro album which will be number one and debut album from Shura who is a very promising British pop star who writes and produces herself but again she is very 80s but who cares id rather listen to new songs that sound like s bit like Madonna or Janet Jackson that stay stuck in 1986 completely. And she should go top 5 that's hardly looking hard is it?? |
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times have changed?... maybe, obviously technology has made accessing music from all eras much easier. but i still dont think theres anything exciting going on now, not like there was from the 50's through to the turn of the century. those great movements made the news, from mods n rockers, through glam, punk, to britpop. didnt have to search for them.
I've been listening to Years and Years this week, they're a pretty good UK act. |
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but we shouldnt have to... in the past if we heard something on the radio we liked, we would then research into the act or style of music. if we dont hear anything we like in mainstream - its hardly an enticing situation to make us look further.
i wouldnt buy an album by an artist if i didnt like the style of single used to promote the album. and i maintain that any period in music will be remembered by , and judged by, what was charting - rightly or wrongly. It isn't difficult to find good new music if you know where to look. I am constantly hearing new material through word of mouth, personal recommendation, that I hear in a bar or at an event and also though the more specialist radio stations. As I love soul/soulful house, I listen to the radio stations where DJ's that I know, personally in most cases, work. Solar, Mi-Soul, Stomp, Zero etc and I know every week, I will hear a dozen new tracks that I like and that will encourage me to go out and buy an album. Most recent example is that I heard a new song by Shaun Escoffery that I really liked. As he's an artist that I've liked songs from in the past, I did a quick search and discovered he's got an album coming out next month - job done. Maybe the mainstream radio stations play crap, I don't know but there is as much choice as ever out there, its just the way we get to discover it has changed with the times |
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We used to write letters rather than text, we used to walk to the phone box, we used to have 3 channels rather than 300, we used to only get news updates twice a day - the world has changed.
It isn't difficult to find good new music if you know where to look.I am constantly hearing new material through word of mouth, personal recommendation, that I hear in a bar or at an event and also though the more specialist radio stations. As I love soul/soulful house, I listen to the radio stations where DJ's that I know, personally in most cases, work. Solar, Mi-Soul, Stomp, Zero etc and I know every week, I will hear a dozen new tracks that I like and that will encourage me to go out and buy an album. Most recent example is that I heard a new song by Shaun Escoffery that I really liked. As he's an artist that I've liked songs from in the past, I did a quick search and discovered he's got an album coming out next month - job done. Maybe the mainstream radio stations play crap, I don't know but there is as much choice as ever out there, its just the way we get to discover it has changed with the times if anything changed it accessibility to more obscure artists. but obscure artists have always been there, my question is wheres the artists that have mass appeal? cutting edge? generation defining? making original new music that has something to say? from the beatles to oasis we have had a succession of such great british acts. can we really hold up coldplay and kasabian as the equivalents? i absolutely accept theres great music 'out there if you look for it'... i dont accept though that the great british music scene is as vibrant, healthy, creative as what it used to be. and i have huge disdain for the millennial snowflakes who seem to have lost their way, not only in music, but comedy, and prior to the referendum - politics. these 3 things underpinned OUR generation, we created new forms of music and comedy and we had political views and voiced them. |
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a fair comment, however im not sure there is any great music being created now (as in something i like). tbh im very tired of guitar based pop/rock, and the state of dance isnt to my liking currently. hence when i can be bothered to 'search for it' its mainly older trance music that is just about the only style that excites me.
of course i do the (week) daily rare 60's thread which has thrown up some gems amongst the duller material. talking of the 60's, i hated glam/prog/philly of the early 70's , thats when i searched out 60's material. it was of course much harder in those days. times have changed?... maybe, obviously technology has made accessing music from all eras much easier. but i still dont think theres anything exciting going on now, not like there was from the 50's through to the turn of the century. those great movements made the news, from mods n rockers, through glam, punk, to britpop. didnt have to search for them. there's loads of great music around. but if you don't look you won't find it times always change. these days it's easier to find new music as you can sit on your arse in front of a computer and just press buttons and find music and listen to it for free, 24/7/365. no need to go in person to a record store and look through racks of music that you can't actually hear unless you can persuade someone to let you hear it instore, or you or someone else buys it for you. you couldn't just pick up 100 cds and just flip through them and put on the next if the first few seconds didn't grab you, but you can online. whatever genre you like, you can narrow your search, or go off on a tangent with suggestions things are just miles better now. no need for huge amounts of space for records and cds, most peoples collections can fit on a single HDD that can easily be copied and backed up and taken anywhere. even online services can be listened almost anywhere via wifi and 3g or from the offline services and of course as time goes on you don't just have the new music to listen to, you have more older archive music to listen to. and with so much music being made there's bound to be great old music that most people have never heard, so there are those 70s and 80s and 90s albums people would absolutely love that they've never yet discovered, and with the advancing technology one day they may hear it and love it and discover artists they had never heard of |
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there's loads of great music around. but if you don't look you won't find it
times always change. these days it's easier to find new music as you can sit on your arse in front of a computer and just press buttons and find music and listen to it for free, 24/7/365. no need to go in person to a record store and look through racks of music that you can't actually hear unless you can persuade someone to let you hear it instore, or you or someone else buys it for you. you couldn't just pick up 100 cds and just flip through them and put on the next if the first few seconds didn't grab you, but you can online. whatever genre you like, you can narrow your search, or go off on a tangent with suggestions things are just miles better now. no need for huge amounts of space for records and cds, most peoples collections can fit on a single HDD that can easily be copied and backed up and taken anywhere. even online services can be listened almost anywhere via wifi and 3g or from the offline services and of course as time goes on you don't just have the new music to listen to, you have more older archive music to listen to. and with so much music being made there's bound to be great old music that most people have never heard, so there are those 70s and 80s and 90s albums people would absolutely love that they've never yet discovered, and with the advancing technology one day they may hear it and love it and discover artists they had never heard of but what i dont agree with is the notion that british music today is as vibrant as it ever was. sure there are obscure acts creating great music, ill not argue against that, but its the volume i dont believe is happening. its my old chestnut 'theres no great new youth movement' happening now like there was from rock n roll in the 50's through to uk garage at the turn of the century. now some say its because theres so much variety available due to technology, thats a valid argument. others might say that todays youth has not got the will, the inspiration, the creativity to get behind a new style. although i subscribe to the latter train of thought, the truth lies probably somewhere between , a mixture of both reasons. |
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i dont disagree with this....
but what i dont agree with is the notion that british music today is as vibrant as it ever was. sure there are obscure acts creating great music, ill not argue against that, but its the volume i dont believe is happening. its my old chestnut 'theres no great new youth movement' happening now like there was from rock n roll in the 50's through to uk garage at the turn of the century. now some say its because theres so much variety available due to technology, thats a valid argument. others might say that todays youth has not got the will, the inspiration, the creativity to get behind a new style. although i subscribe to the latter train of thought, the truth lies probably somewhere between , a mixture of both reasons. there's certainly a volume of vibrancy and variety, but as you mention, technology allows more creativity and diversity and the end result is there are so many different things going on to satisfy evey niche market that many things don't hit the mainstream there certainly are various movements today but things are very different now as most people in the UK, europe and the US at least live relatively comforatble lives with tvs, home computers, mobile phones, games consoles, plenty of cheap and free entertainment. people can download tv shows, movies, films, computer games and be completely entertained without leaving the home, so dissatisfaction is less today than before. we have various anti discrimination laws and don't have the same fears and concerns today. but you have likely heard of various movements like blacklives matter and hacktivists like anonymous. movements change with the times too, but the music isn't as tied to movements as things are considerably more diverse |
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i have huge disdain for the millennial snowflakes who seem to have lost their way, not only in music, but comedy, and prior to the referendum - politics. these 3 things underpinned OUR generation, we created new forms of music and comedy and we had political views and voiced them.
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There is likely to be huge political unstability in the next few years in this country, it'll be interesting if the younger generation can/will rebel against the older generations 'leave' vote (and the perceived bigoted view that goes will it) . Will this generate a passion in the youth, and will any of this spill out into music scene?
theres plenty of things they could have protested through music about, but havnt, 0 hours contracts, poor outlook for housing, illegal wars, etc . cant see them engaging their creative sides now. (of course this is a generalisation and there will be exceptions). |
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bib.... nothings changed in that respect then... but theres always been 'good' music outside mainstream. but we used to have some in mainstream.
if anything changed it accessibility to more obscure artists. but obscure artists have always been there, my question is wheres the artists that have mass appeal? cutting edge? generation defining? making original new music that has something to say? from the beatles to oasis we have had a succession of such great british acts. can we really hold up coldplay and kasabian as the equivalents? i absolutely accept theres great music 'out there if you look for it'... i dont accept though that the great british music scene is as vibrant, healthy, creative as what it used to be. and i have huge disdain for the millennial snowflakes who seem to have lost their way, not only in music, but comedy, and prior to the referendum - politics. these 3 things underpinned OUR generation, we created new forms of music and comedy and we had political views and voiced them. |
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I don't think it's fair to single out British music; American music is even worse. The problem is that nearly everything has already been done now, often to great excess in the past, so that all that's left are pale imitations.
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I don't think it's fair to single out British music; American music is even worse. The problem is that nearly everything has already been done now, often to great excess in the past, so that all that's left are pale imitations.
agree with your second line though. |
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kasabian and coldplay can hardly be held up as examples of new music anyway, kasabians fist album came out in 2004, coldplays in 2000
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there's certainly a volume of vibrancy and variety, but as you mention, technology allows more creativity and diversity and the end result is there are so many different things going on to satisfy evey niche market that many things don't hit the mainstream
there certainly are various movements today but things are very different now as most people in the UK, europe and the US at least live relatively comforatble lives with tvs, home computers, mobile phones, games consoles, plenty of cheap and free entertainment. people can download tv shows, movies, films, computer games and be completely entertained without leaving the home, so dissatisfaction is less today than before. we have various anti discrimination laws and don't have the same fears and concerns today. but you have likely heard of various movements like blacklives matter and hacktivists like anonymous. movements change with the times too, but the music isn't as tied to movements as things are considerably more diverse The picture you paint of a tolerant, consumer-based society is fair enough. When people have everything, they don't have much to complain about. It might be true that the 1% of the population who are the richest are getting even richer and sharing much less of it but if the rest of the population are relatively happy, it matters little. I recently read an article that suggested that the youth of today were basically boring and dull, very risk averse in a way that earlier generations of the young were not. It used to be the idea that youth were allowed to make mistakes and to learn from them. But in a world of perfect public information and social media, mistakes will catch up with you and your future employers. http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...7#.V4SnIJB4Wh8 Does modern mainstream music not largely reflect a safe, risk averse youth culture? |
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I was quite impressed with the track I heard by Public Service Broadcasting recently, probably from T In The Park at a guess. It was only one track and they weren't exactly overflowing with charisma, but at least the music had enough going on to make it interesting.
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a fair comment, however im not sure there is any great music being created now (as in something i like). tbh im very tired of guitar based pop/rock, and the state of dance isnt to my liking currently. hence when i can be bothered to 'search for it' its mainly older trance music that is just about the only style that excites me.
of course i do the (week) daily rare 60's thread which has thrown up some gems amongst the duller material. talking of the 60's, i hated glam/prog/philly of the early 70's , thats when i searched out 60's material. it was of course much harder in those days. times have changed?... maybe, obviously technology has made accessing music from all eras much easier. but i still dont think theres anything exciting going on now, not like there was from the 50's through to the turn of the century. those great movements made the news, from mods n rockers, through glam, punk, to britpop. didnt have to search for them. |
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I really loved this sound of the 90s. Or at least when I first heard it in the mid 90s. As it is 86. https://youtu.be/QN2RnjFHmNY
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I was quite impressed with the track I heard by Public Service Broadcasting recently, probably from T In The Park at a guess. It was only one track and they weren't exactly overflowing with charisma, but at least the music had enough going on to make it interesting.
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kasabian and coldplay can hardly be held up as examples of new music anyway, kasabians fist album came out in 2004, coldplays in 2000
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I recently read an article that suggested that the youth of today were basically boring and dull, very risk averse in a way that earlier generations of the young were not. It used to be the idea that youth were allowed to make mistakes and to learn from them. But in a world of perfect public information and social media, mistakes will catch up with you and your future employers. http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite...7#.V4SnIJB4Wh8 Does modern mainstream music not largely reflect a safe, risk averse youth culture?
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I really loved this sound of the 90s. Or at least when I first heard it in the mid 90s. As it is 86. https://youtu.be/QN2RnjFHmNY
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youve just repeated my old rant about generation snowflake!
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