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digichant
30-06-2016
I'm not a big fan of Jason, I think he is permanently conscious and anxious about how he's being portrayed to the outside world and thus I don't think he's being himself.

His nomination of Laura and then his supposed 'guilt' for just choosing her and not Marco as well, when he realised he might come across as misogynistic, was very telling. "Make sure you show that I tried to change it Big brother" were his words weren't they?
Wainy84
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by PiperRoX:
“Very little to do with charlie, though her additions don't harm the case against him that my brain and gut tell me about him. I'm fairly sure he can be very manipulative, calculated, and sly at time. But ppl see a loveable teddy when they look at him. Then there's the sympathy he gets over the charlie situation.”

I feel the same as you.
Kopite1763
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by PiperRoX:
“Very little to do with charlie, though her additions don't harm the case against him that my brain and gut tell me about him. I'm fairly sure he can be very manipulative, calculated, and sly at time. But ppl see a loveable teddy when they look at him. Then there's the sympathy he gets over the charlie situation.”

Sorry, but I don't see any of what you have described.

Sly? Manipulative? Calculating? Nope, haven't seen any of those traits.

Are you sure you are not getting him mixed up with Charlie, as she has shown all those and more.

For me, Jason seems a decent genuine bloke who is trying to make the best out of a really awkward situation.
Yes, he could probably be more forceful with Charlie, but the few times we have seen him try, look at her response.....it's not like he can say his piece then walk away, he is stuck in a small house 24/7 with her.

Next time she's up, I'll be voting to evict her, so Jason can finally relax
PiperRoX
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“Sorry, but I don't see any of what you have described.

Sly? Manipulative? Calculating? Nope, haven't seen any of those traits.

Are you sure you are not getting him mixed up with Charlie, as she has shown all those and more.

For me, Jason seems a decent genuine bloke who is trying to make the best out of a really awkward situation.
Yes, he could probably be more forceful with Charlie, but the few times we have seen him try, look at her response.....it's not like he can say his piece then walk away, he is stuck in a small house 24/7 with her.

Next time she's up, I'll be voting to evict her, so Jason can finally relax ”

You don't have to apologize. I have a sixth sense for these things. I know Jason's sort. That doesn't mean that others have to subscribe to the same opinion though.
PiperRoX
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Wainy84:
“I feel the same as you.”

It's very clear too. But I understand why others may see Jason as something that he's not. I don't think he is some monster, but I think he can be extremely sly, manipulative and calculated when he wants to be. Doesn't mean he's a bad person, but those traits are strong in him, I feel.
dorsetwasp
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“Sorry, but I don't see any of what you have described.

Sly? Manipulative? Calculating? Nope, haven't seen any of those traits.

Are you sure you are not getting him mixed up with Charlie, as she has shown all those and more.

For me, Jason seems a decent genuine bloke who is trying to make the best out of a really awkward situation.
Yes, he could probably be more forceful with Charlie, but the few times we have seen him try, look at her response.....it's not like he can say his piece then walk away, he is stuck in a small house 24/7 with her.

Next time she's up, I'll be voting to evict her, so Jason can finally relax ”

Excellent post - pretty much how I see it too.
Kopite1763
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by PiperRoX:
“You don't have to apologize. I have a sixth sense for these things. I know Jason's sort. That doesn't mean that others have to subscribe to the same opinion though.”

I respect your opinion, but I'm cynical about folk who claim to have a sixth sense ( no disrespect intended).

I just haven't seen one thing that would point to Jason being sly, calculating or manipulative.
Vicky8675309
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by SpiritedAway:
“Why is Jason fake? Because Charlie said so?

Is there a reason why we're trusting the word of a jilted woman with an agenda prone to delusion over our own eyes? A woman who has been caught lying about Jason before? (She calls Jason a gameplayer but then tells Andy that she didn't use that word, just said he's acting different.)

Big Brother is meant to exist in a vacuum. Why should it matter if Jason is a different person outside of the house? It's a show. We refer to the housemates as "characters". How the hms conduct themselves outside of the confines of BB (aside from extenuating circumstances of disturbing acts warranting ejection) bear no relevance on BB. That's why image rehabilitation is a leading motivation for CBB contestants. Shit. That's why Jim Davidson won his series. He was able (for the most part, not entirely) to temper his inner misogynistic asshole.

If Jason isn't truly a nice guy, and has adopted that persona for the purpose of Big Brother, more power to him for keeping it up. Nearly a month in, there would be some real, firsthand evidence of his mask slipping (see early favorite and shrieky, manufactured romancer Jackson). If Jason was the chosen one and just received a generous edit, we would hear something in housemate chatter of Jason behaving differently than he is being portrayed. But as of now, how Jason has conducted himself in the house and how he is being edited via producers is basically on par - the tin reads the same. Even Charlie - in all her bitter, well-timed (after being turned down in the NICEST WAY POSSIBLE) assertions that Jason is different and not as he seems - qualifies her claims as outside the house meaning the Jason that we are seeing as viewers and the Jason that the housemates are living with 24/7 are the same. It's really just unfounded nonsense meant to sully house and viewer opinion on him thereby allowing her to gain more sympathy. It's a tactic plain and simple. And if you mind her pattern, she'll actually retract anything negative she says about him in a whisper.

Ultimately, I don't care if Jason is fake because I won't be following him outside of this show. Right now, what matters to me is that he seems a nice bloke, level-headed and caring. And if this is Jason playing a game, well isn't this the most innocuous strategy one can employ? Step 1. Don't make an ass of myself on telly. Step 2. Look after people. Step 3. Hope to win votes. I really can't fault that logic.”

Well said!
We have seen Charlie lie and manipulate so I don't believe her. Also animals have a good sense about people and I'm guessing Jason's dog loves him. I don't trust her around animals and I guess she hates the dog the same way Georgina hates Evelyn (jealousy).
TheMatrix
01-07-2016
To me he is playing a game, the tell tell was his face when text messages were mentioned. This was then followed by, you kicked the dog. I think he is hiding something, and with time its going to come out if Charlie manages to stay.

Jason picked a role when he went in and now has to play the part
gjc
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by sheils1:
“Sorry but if Charlie wasnt in there we may see more of Jason, hes frightened to say anything or move cos she thinks she owns him, the bunny boiler needs to go.She is vile.”

I Agree

Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“Sorry, but I don't see any of what you have described.

Sly? Manipulative? Calculating? Nope, haven't seen any of those traits.

Are you sure you are not getting him mixed up with Charlie, as she has shown all those and more.

For me, Jason seems a decent genuine bloke who is trying to make the best out of a really awkward situation.
Yes, he could probably be more forceful with Charlie, but the few times we have seen him try, look at her response.....it's not like he can say his piece then walk away, he is stuck in a small house 24/7 with her.

Next time she's up, I'll be voting to evict her, so Jason can finally relax ”

Very well put

Jason is currently the person I would vote to win.
He may not be the most entertaining, but he certainly hasn't shown a vile side like most of the others have.
Even if it is all an act, he deserves to win for keeping the act up, all those who have tried that in the past have slipped out of character very quickly.
Wainy84
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by gjc:
“I Agree


Very well put

Jason is currently the person I would vote to win.
He may not be the most entertaining, but he certainly hasn't shown a vile side like most of the others have.
Even if it is all an act, he deserves to win for keeping the act up, all those who have tried that in the past have slipped out of character very quickly.”

Another boring winner to the C5 list.
Helen Woods then deserved her win as at least she was vile and honest. Not faking it.
gjc
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Wainy84:
“Another boring winner to the C5 list.
Helen Woods then deserved her win as at least she was vile and honest. Not faking it.”

I guess it depends on what you are voting your winner for ?

While there are others in the house I like to watch for "entertainment" value, that is purely because they are car crash.
Jason is someone who has shown the strength not to completely flip out like all the others.
The way he has controlled himself from swatting the "annoying wasp at a picnic", that is Charlie is very applaudable.

It is very hard to be confined with other people 24/7 and still keep your sanity/composure.
If I was in there I would probably have murdered most of them in their sleep by now
Karis
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by sheils1:
“ she hates the dog and i believe she would kick it, she even seems jealous of his dog, didnt someone say he thinks the world of his dog.”

This is it exactly. She's clearly jealous of the dog...

SIGH
Porcupine
01-07-2016
Jason is just so bland. He doesn't have any balls. Seriously - if Charlie was doing your head in that much why hasn't he told her to do one. If they row he follows her around like a lost puppy. Everyone says she is the clingy one, but he is the one trailing around after her. He sits there with his tea cosy woolly hat doing and saying nothing. Bore off.
Karis
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by PiperRoX:
“You don't have to apologize. I have a sixth sense for these things. I know Jason's sort. That doesn't mean that others have to subscribe to the same opinion though.”

So, let's just clarify: you claim to have some kind of ability to sense - beyond the TV - the truth of a situation. So you can see beyond what we've all seen, and come to the conclusion that (well read your own comments back).

I imagine you haven't done so much as a day's psychology course from a trained professional, nor read a single book on the subject. Yet you're willing to make a claim that he's not the person he is on screen.

Fascinating how people use every tool in their box to back up their claims.
Anya D
01-07-2016
I feel for Jason.
His BB experience is uniquely awful this year.
None of the other pairs with prior connections seem affected by them in the house, but Jason has to deal with Charlie.
BB is desperate to force conflict, hence the inclusion of explosive personalities like Hughie, Lateysha and Ryan.
Why speak to someone when you can SHOUTDIRECTLYATTHEIRFACE?

Jason's experience is still worse though, imo, because Charlie is relentless.
Etty_Dee
01-07-2016
I've seen nothing to show Jason is anything different to the man I've seen, decent, laid back and caring. If viewers find that boring, fair enough. The point about wanting to win, all of them want that. Is anyone naive enough to think ANY of the HMs don't?
I like Jason, and I don't think he is playing any big game.
Wainy84
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Anya D:
“I feel for Jason.
His BB experience is uniquely awful this year.
None of the other pairs with prior connections seem affected by them in the house, but Jason has to deal with Charlie.
BB is desperate to force conflict, hence the inclusion of explosive personalities like Hughie, Lateysha and Ryan.
Why speak to someone when you can SHOUTDIRECTLYATTHEIRFACE?

Jason's experience is still worse though, imo, because Charlie is relentless.”

Jason a fully grown mature man. He could stop it if he wanted. But he to scared
to do it on TV as he wants to win and using Charlie as the sympathy card in his game.
Etty_Dee
01-07-2016
I've seen nothing to show Jason is anything other than he appears, decent, laid back and caring. If viewers find that boring, that's up to them. I don't know where people are seeing sly and manipulative. I've yet to see him slag anybody off behind their back. ALL of them hope to win. Jason and Hughie seem the most genuine out of that shower of posers IMO.
gemma41576
01-07-2016
I like Jason, I agree he's not full of drama and doesnt feel the need to be centre of attention constantly and he may be 'playing a game', but isn't that the whole point of BB and besides he's certainly not the biggest game player in the house: Charlie, Chelsea etc spring to mind before Jason.
Wainy84
01-07-2016
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kitten59
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Karis:
“So, let's just clarify: you claim to have some kind of ability to sense - beyond the TV - the truth of a situation. So you can see beyond what we've all seen, and come to the conclusion that (well read your own comments back).

I imagine you haven't done so much as a day's psychology course from a trained professional, nor read a single book on the subject. Yet you're willing to make a claim that he's not the person he is on screen.

Fascinating how people use every tool in their box to back up their claims.”

- LOL!! Agreed. The OP claims to have a "sixth sense for these things"....meaning...he/she can see dead people, or what? Alrighty then. The delusions run deep, apparently. Look, with Jason, some are really reaching and looking for a chink in his armor. Perhaps there really isn't any...perhaps he is what we see, which is, for the most part, an even keeled, rational, respectful guy. I actually kind of like Charlie, but she needs to LET IT GO. The woman is utterly obsessed with the man and it's making her nuts that he is truly done with their relationship.
PiperRoX
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by digichant:
“I'm not a big fan of Jason, I think he is permanently conscious and anxious about how he's being portrayed to the outside world and thus I don't think he's being himself.

His nomination of Laura and then his supposed 'guilt' for just choosing her and not Marco as well, when he realised he might come across as misogynistic, was very telling. "Make sure you show that I tried to change it Big brother" were his words weren't they?”

This was the first thing to tip me off to who Jason is. Seen little things since to support those suspicions.
PiperRoX
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“I respect your opinion, but I'm cynical about folk who claim to have a sixth sense ( no disrespect intended).

I just haven't seen one thing that would point to Jason being sly, calculating or manipulative. ”

No harm done
Wainy84
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by PiperRoX:
“This was the first thing to tip me off to who Jason is. Seen little things since to support those suspicions.”

I agree.
I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. But everybody hating Charlie is giving him an easy ride.
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