Sam and Alex seem to have taken a lot of the blame but it actually was all on Ryan.

Ryan said he was joking about the fish bowl thing but that was a complete lie. I have watched it back and his reactions were quite clearly serious, there was no joking there at all. He stormed off, pushed the bedroom door into the wall and moaned in the bedroom for a few seconds. He wasn't joking.

Sam then told Alex about it and Alex went into the bedroom to ask if there was a problem, Alex did nothing wrong and i don't think he deserved to have Hughie go mental in his face like that either. Hughie can be funny when he goes off on one, but this time i think we went a bit far. There was no reason to go that crazy.

I dont know if I missed something as I was not really paying attention, but I thought the same, so when they said he was joking, I thought "was he?", he seemed pissed to me

Ah the demon drink - does nobody any favours. Ryan is like the car driver who is never IN an accident but leaves a trail of devastation behind them wherever they go. Poor Hughie.

He also has this really annoying tendency to shout at people "WHO ARE YOU SHOUTING AT?!" whenever someone disagrees with him. He constantly talks over people forcing them to raise their voice slightly to be heard.

I imagine it's like conversing with a small child trying to talk with him.

I agree that it was Ryan who 'started ' it all ... something he can frequently be accused of

I can't stand him

... which equates to him being a value for money housemate

It was Sam that started that - no one else. It was all sorted then he went out and carried it on and Alex just ran with the ball ......

I got the impression Ryan started it all. I never got the impression Ryan was joking and he claimed he said to Sam he was joking. But Lateysha and Hughie said he did. They must of edited that bit out. I remember Ryan storming off and coming in the bedroom to moan.

But then sam was in the wrong for carrying it on when it had died down.

Ryan stirs things up but Hughie needs to control his temper. That was way over the top and if Jason didn't practically carry him to the diaryroom I think they would have sent security in.

I think you missed a bit OP.

I agree, I don't think Ryan was joking either - but, when Sam went into the bedroom to challenge or query him, Ryan then said he was joking and so Sam seemingly accepted that (even if he didn't quite believe it) and that should have been the end of it as he left and it appeared to be over before it began.

It apparently wasn't over for Sam though, who went and moaned about the whole thing to those sitting in the garden. He didn't have to even mention it as it was seemingly over and done with. He made it sound like it was ongoing, rather than 'it was a joke; okay'.

He wanted a bit of drama, he got it.

Oh FFS, by no means a fan of Sam, really dislike him actually, but you can hardly say he went outside to "stir things up". All he did was have a bit of a moan with regards to what just happened!

As far as I remember he basically just said "Yeah Ryan said he was joking but it didn't seem like he was, so I said that, but he was adamant he was joking and yeah...since then everyone's been a bit awkward..."

It was ALEX who for some STUPID reason took it upon himself to go back to the bedroom to ask if there was a problem with the fish bowl.

Sam didn't ask him to go to the bedroom, did he?!

Just like Evelyn and Laura discussing how they thought Sam as Lateysha's bitch, are people just not allowed to talk about ANYONE in the house without people accusing them of bitching or stirring?

Exactly, and I don't understand why Alex felt the need to go in the bedroom and continue it. Was it just to make himself look interesting?

And - much as I disagree with the way he handled it - Hughie didn't get in Alex''s face because he came in and challenged them but because he told Hughie to be quiet as it is nothing to do with him.

So Sam and Ryan have an altercation Alex is allowed to intervene - albeit about the fish bowl incident although it was really about Sam''s reaction to Ryan wanting to join in the fish bowl incident - but Hughie is not.

Hypocritical or what.

I think he knew what he was doing. They were all talking and laughing about the volatile side of Hughie coming out and Alex instigated it.

Agreed.

From what I saw, the "fish bowl incident" had pretty much blown over. Yes there were rumblings of discontent from Sam, but nothing major. Nothing until Mr Mumbles decided to stir the pot by bringing it all up again in the bedroom.
The reason the argument got so bad, was the fault of Mr Mumbles, no-one else.

Yes Ryan loaded the bullets and let Hughie fire the gun.

He is a little nasty weasel. Cannot stand him.

The reason Alex got involved again was because he felt aggrieved at the suggestion that he and the other fish bowl boys had drunk more of the alcohol than they were due, and he wanted to make it clear that this was not the case

Sam outright lied about what Ryan had said. I don't suppose he could forsee what would happen from that point on ( suspect he was only really interested in badmouthing Ryan) but he was defiitely the one who stirred this particular pot.

How did he outright lie? Didn't he just say "Ryan said it was a joke" which IS what Ryan said, wasn't it? Either "It was a joke", or "I wasn't being serious" Something along those lines wasn't it?

Where was the lying?

I could be wrong (and I'm at work so can't rewatch) but as far as I recall Sam missed out the bit about Ryan saying he was just joking when he was in the garden relating the conversation, and then when he later went back into the bedroom and Ryan said, 'I told you I was just joking' I'm sure that he said he couldn't remember saying that.

But don't quote me on that, but I'm sure it was why Hughie and Ryan got so ... peeved.

Real lack of social savvy going on with both HMs AND FMs here

Every move seen so cynically and pre-meditated

No Sam didn't go in the bedroom to kick off and No Alex didn't 'run in with the ball'

I don't much care for either but I don't let that determine how I view their every action

Too much trying to shoe-horn personal narrative into every situation and not enough objective viewing here for me

Offloading is a natural process, a vent, there's nowhere to go in that house other than neutrals, this doesn't ALWAYS equate to sh*tstirring as diplomacy doesn't ALWAYS equate to side-taking

It was obvious that the alcohol was amplifying everything.

Think Sam might just be tired and got all emotional because he had mixed his drinks...It happens..

ALL of it was an over reaction.

You seriously think they are that clever?!

But IS it clear that this was not the case? We don't know. Ryan is being blamed for his reaction to Alex and Sam shutting him out from making the punch. But should we say that THAT'S to blame for everything that was said and done that night? There was a point in the night when it wasn't an issue any more. It's from that point that we should decide which housemates were to blame for it all flaring up. In my opinion, it's Sam Alex and one or two other housemates who were sat outside.

I do think Ryan likes to load things and then sit back and watch it blow whilst moaning and shouting it about it the whole time, I cannot stand him don't know if you can tell.

I agree with you. It wasn't a joke at first.
However afterwards they seemed to have forgotten about it and let it go.
So when Sam and Alex kept dredging it back up that's when things flared up.

Hughie got involved because he originally told Sam at first that it was just a joke after Ryan said it was. At that point they wanted to calm it down and reassure them that it wasn't a problem. But then Hughie was told it was nothing to do with him, even though he tried to reassure Sam that it was just a joke a bit earlier. So he saw red for being dismissed in that hostile manner.

Well isn't it just fabulous that we have you here to put us straight.
Shame it's a load of old .....