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Old 01-07-2016, 22:34
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You do realise that a few years back the Welsh media tore Coleman to shreds, the fans wanted him sacked and they booed the players off the pitch when they took a beating.

How things can change. He and the team had the balls to fight back. This notion that no England manager or team will ever be a success because of the media is, frankly, poppycock !
I didn't say it'll never happen, but if it does it'll be in spite of the coverage they get and in no way because of it. I'm sure the Welsh media criticised Coleman as all countries would if they deserve it, but I doubt they've got the gun fully loaded ready to shoot at all times.
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Old 01-07-2016, 22:36
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Loved Italia 90. For me the last, great England team.
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Old 01-07-2016, 22:37
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Old 01-07-2016, 23:03
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Northern Ireland and the Republic showed it against Ukraine and Italy respectively, two games both had to win to stay in the tournament.

I think Wales have a bit more attacking flair than their Celtic cousins though.
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Old 01-07-2016, 23:26
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The last time I think we played anything like that was when we went to Germany and won 5-1, sadly that was a very, very, long time ago now.
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Old 01-07-2016, 23:30
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The last time I think we played anything like that was when we went to Germany and won 5-1, sadly that was a very, very, long time ago now.
10 days before 9/11.
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Old 01-07-2016, 23:34
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The media and public react to their national team in other countries, they're set up to fail here under the hilarious guise of 'England Expects'. Raheem Sterling's photo was used by The Sun to illustrate a story of a drug dealer who used to play football that has absolutely no reference or link to Sterling in any way. It's poison.

Don't get me wrong though, it's also mostly for football reasons. A lack of organisation and structure, someone said about square pegs and round holes which covers England for at least the past 15 years.
After the failure to qualify for Euro 2008, the phrase "England Expects" has rarely been used. Even before WC 2014, expectations were very low with Hodgeson in charge and having no world class players in the squad.
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Old 01-07-2016, 23:36
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What about when we beat Germany in that friendly in March.

Everyone was pretty excited then and full of praise.

Or are we just talking at major tournaments?
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Old 01-07-2016, 23:37
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They weren't low, never are and never will be. The group exit was a disgrace, heads needed to roll, England are all overpaid overhyped spoiled pampered whatevers. Next tournament it's the pretence of low expectation, same result, same reaction, same horrible smear campaigns because outrage sells.
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Old 01-07-2016, 23:50
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Nobody should forget we beat Wales and completely dominated them for 90 minutes. Wales are showing that sometimes a lot of luck can make up for lack of ability.
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Old 01-07-2016, 23:52
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Nobody should forget we beat Wales and completely dominated them for 90 minutes. Wales are showing that sometimes a lot of luck can make up for lack of ability.
Okayyyy then. Did you watch the game tonight?
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Old 01-07-2016, 23:56
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Okayyyy then. Did you watch the game tonight?
Yes they played well but were very lucky.

Ref missed a bad foul on Lukaku on the edge of the box which was a certain second yellow and reduced 10. Minutes later he missed a stone wall penalty decision for Belgium that would have surely drawn them level.

That's two huge slices of luck there alone.
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Old 02-07-2016, 00:01
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10 days before 9/11.
Wow is it really that long ago??!

Shame on us for performing so poorly for so very long then.
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Old 02-07-2016, 00:02
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Yes they played well but were very lucky.

Ref missed a bad foul on Lukaku on the edge of the box which was a certain second yellow and reduced 10. Minutes later he missed a stone wall penalty decision for Belgium that would have surely drawn them level.

That's two huge slices of luck there alone.
Tbh am in far too good a mood to get into this.
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Old 02-07-2016, 00:05
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I wish our English players had played with the same passion as some of theirs!

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Old 02-07-2016, 00:11
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A mental problem caused by what?
England are the national version of a "sleeping giant."
The longer we keep failing the more the pressure builds to succeed. They get far too tight and sports stars cannot deliver if they are unable to relax and play their normal game.
Look at Wales tonight. No pressure, great expectations or stress. They could just go out and play.

Steven Gerrard was brutally honest the day after Iceland, about his failures for England.
Under pressure during games you start to worry about letting people down and being slaughtered by the media and fans. He said you know shouldn't be doing it, but you can't stop it happening. All kinds of negative thoughts going on in there heads instead of calmly thinking about getting back into a game.
This mental block is going to take some getting rid of.
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Old 02-07-2016, 00:27
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Tbh am in far too good a mood to get into this.
Yeah no Wales fan should care about getting lucky. It's a great win and I didn't think they had a prayer tonight. No doubt though those were two of the big game changing moments that went for Wales, and prevented Belgium from getting back on top.
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Old 02-07-2016, 00:45
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Wales weren't lucky to win.
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Old 02-07-2016, 06:47
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Wales weren't lucky to win.
I agree.

Was ill last night, couldn't watch it live, but caught it this morning and am cursing that I couldn't watch this great performance live.

No, Belgium weren't at their best, bur Wales played as a team, didn't go to pieces when they went behind, and some of the individual skill such as Kanu's take and turn for Wale's second was skill of the highest order.

Coleman made it very clear when he said after the game that 4 years ago Wales were as far away from this point as could be imagined. The best quote I could give is "Don't be afraid to fail".....

In their 4 games England didn't play this way, no one can claim differently. Wales showed all the overplayed words, desire, heart etc. But mostly they played AS A TEAM!.

England didn't.
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:01
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Wales weren't lucky to win.
I agree and as some people know, I can't stand minnows with their cute smiles and ugly football and want them to go away at every stage of the tournament, but I have to say Wales played some great football last night. I couldn't believe my eyes. They showed some great ball skills and flair in addition to perfect organisation by the manager. Very impressive. And I think Portugal will need some divine intervention to stop them.
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:13
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Nobody should forget we beat Wales and completely dominated them for 90 minutes. Wales are showing that sometimes a lot of luck can make up for lack of ability.
Wales have plenty of abilty but unlike England they show it.Look at Robson Kanu does not even have a club and what a brilliant goal as was the third kiler goal
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Old 02-07-2016, 10:58
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Wales have plenty of abilty but unlike England they show it.Look at Robson Kanu does not even have a club and what a brilliant goal as was the third kiler goal
I cant see the top clubs queuing up for him. It was a fantastic goal, but lets not pretend he is in the Cruyff class.

If any of Englands strikers were Welsh, they'd be in the side ahead of him.

Wales deserve all the credit for how they've developed, and played for a number of years, and I'd love them to win the whole thing, but I dont see the point of praising them in a way to attack England.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:03
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I cant see the top clubs queuing up for him. It was a fantastic goal, but lets not pretend he is in the Cruyff class.

If any of Englands strikers were Welsh, they'd be in the side ahead of him.

Wales deserve all the credit for how they've developed, and played for a number of years, and I'd love them to win the whole thing, but I dont see the point of praising them in a way to attack England.
What's the point in having good strikers on paper if they fall apart on the pitch?
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Old 02-07-2016, 12:03
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I cant see the top clubs queuing up for him. It was a fantastic goal, but lets not pretend he is in the Cruyff class.

If any of Englands strikers were Welsh, they'd be in the side ahead of him.

Wales deserve all the credit for how they've developed, and played for a number of years, and I'd love them to win the whole thing, but I dont see the point of praising them in a way to attack England.
I would prefer him to Sterling any way there must b better english players available to play where he plays he is so overrated cannot believe he was selected in the first place the english fans in their last did not think much of him considering the boo's he got from them
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Old 02-07-2016, 12:05
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On behalf of the rules of punctuation, I beg you to stop.
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