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New Tivo Box - when is it coming?
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Mr Cable
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by Vertigo1:
“What a total anticlimax.

Virgin have totally dropped the ball here. They had the opportunity to do what Sky did - come up with a totally new, fresh system that properly competed with Sky Q but all they've done is produced a slightly breathed-on version of their old rubbish.

Where are the satellite boxes which stream from the main one? I see they've said their mobile apps will be able to do this to watch content recorded on the box but what about multi-room installations?”

Completely agree with this; I don't want a Hard Drive whirring on a TiVo in my Bedroom, nor do want to go back to a 14" display in there (especially a £299 one!), or dick about with a Casting device every time I fancy a bit of extended Channel Flicking.
The prehistoric VHD box I'm running at the moment is just about sufficient but as I appreciate they're desperate to bin Librate off

Surely this would've been the perfect opportunity to roll out TiVo mini (https://www.tivo.com/shop/mini)?
Jameseh.
01-12-2016
Hopefully they have something else up their sleeve next year and they've just bungled this out to say they've got something 4K in the meantime. Would be tempted by SkyQ but BT Sport HD costs an absolute fortune in comparison to being bundled in XL.
dannylau
01-12-2016
If you put a V6 in 4 rooms you can stream between all of them, you have 24 tuners and 4TB of storage and 4k in each room, that's better than anything Sky can offer and the V6 runs totally silently, I think it has a 2.5" drive in it
Mr Cable
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by dannylau:
“If you put a V6 in 4 rooms you can stream between all of them, you have 24 tuners and 4TB of storage and 4k in each room, that's better than anything Sky can offer and the V6 runs totally silently, I think it has a 2.5" drive in it”

Have to admit, never considered more than one V6 - are Virgin offering that?
Richardcoulter
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by Mr Cable:
“Completely agree with this; I don't want a Hard Drive whirring on a TiVo in my Bedroom, nor do want to go back to a 14" display in there (especially a £299 one!), or dick about with a Casting device every time I fancy a bit of extended Channel Flicking.
The prehistoric VHD box I'm running at the moment is just about sufficient but as I appreciate they're desperate to bin Librate off

Surely this would've been the perfect opportunity to roll out TiVo mini (https://www.tivo.com/shop/mini)?”

They considered putting the TiVo software onto the V boxes, but decided against it.

My view is that they will offer an old TiVo free of charge as people upgrade to the V6 in order to end Librate.

Originally Posted by Jameseh.:
“Hopefully they have something else up their sleeve next year and they've just bungled this out to say they've got something 4K in the meantime. Would be tempted by SkyQ but BT Sport HD costs an absolute fortune in comparison to being bundled in XL.”

The source of another forum member has said that VM are to roll out extra UHD content in the first quarter of 2017.

His view is that it will be PLC movies and Discovery content.

Originally Posted by Mr Cable:
“Have to admit, never considered more than one V6 - are Virgin offering that?”

Yes, once it has been made available to order.
Richardcoulter
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by raymartin01:
“AFAIK, people who are on the top package can get the new box for £49.95 installation fee. Why have many people on this forum reported that they've had one FOC? I'd really like one of them, but I'm not too keen on paying £50 for the privilege of borrowing VM's box...”

Various reasons ie testers, staff etc.
carl.waring
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by welshblob:
“I wouldn't be so dismissive of streaming...”

Sorry. Thought I was clear. I (personally) am not interested. That was all I meant.

I do use Netflix, but only for their 'exclusive' content.

Quote:
“They were very dismissive of 4k which I have no need for at the moment but this is the future and this new box will be around for the next 10 years so sound a bit interested in it.”

Really? I don't think so. Tivo has been around for only 5-6.

Quote:
“Whoever thought a huge, heavy, 14" tablet was a good idea needs to be fired.”

I don't know how "heavy" it is or isn't; but I would assume it's to be used like a portable 14" TV and not really hand-held so not sure weight is such a big issue.

Quote:
“Sky seem to have a much better idea of how to design new products and services and how to market them.”

We don't really know how VM will be marketing their V6 as it's only just launched so the "marketing" has hardly begun.

And don't bother me with the mostly-pointless 4K. HD is perfectly adequate for most TV shows.
LudwigVonDrake
01-12-2016
Originally Posted by carl.waring:
“And don't bother me with the mostly-pointless 4K. HD is perfectly adequate for most TV shows.”

That brings me to daft question of the day....

Would there by any improvement (however slight) on the HD pq on this new box? Granted it won't be 4K content, and I won't be watching on a 4K - but I'm wondering if its even worth getting the box if you only watch HD on a HDTV.
dwarfofpoison
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by carl.waring:
“And don't bother me with the mostly-pointless 4K. HD is perfectly adequate for most TV shows.”

In the early days of the Virgin TiVo and you were a venerable S1 TiVo pantheon of knowledge, I remember you having a CRT TV and saying very similar things about SD and HD!
calico_pie
02-12-2016
Its just a bit chicken and egg with 4K. I'd have thought that 4K cvs have been around long enough now that a lot of people will have 4K tvs whether they are interested in 4K or not.

But now that those TVs are becoming more the norm, then its only natural that demand for 4K content will grow. From what I've read HDR will probably be more noticeable than 4K, so good that the new box will support HDR.
carl.waring
02-12-2016
Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison:
“In the early days of the Virgin TiVo and you were a venerable S1 TiVo pantheon of knowledge, I remember you having a CRT TV and saying very similar things about SD and HD!”

Maybe. And on an old CRT with no HD input, I was probably right

But then I got a new flat-screen LCD

What I've always said is HD is better but I won't not watch something just because it's only in SD; especially if that's the only way I can legally watch it.
calico_pie
02-12-2016
What's the deal here:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.stuff...?client=safari

Sky Q, 2TB, 350 hours of HD
TiVo, 1TB, 100 hours of HD

175 hrs v 100 hrs per TB seems like a massive difference?
Night Crawler
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“What's the deal here:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.stuff...?client=safari

Sky Q, 2TB, 350 hours of HD
TiVo, 1TB, 100 hours of HD

175 hrs v 100 hrs per TB seems like a massive difference?”

Different compression formats.

Sky use MPEG4 which is more efficient than the MPEG format which Virgin use for their live TV.

Virgin do use MPEG4 but only for streaming HD on demand content.
Richardcoulter
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by Night Crawler:
“Different compression formats.

Sky use MPEG4 which is more efficient than the MPEG format which Virgin use for their live TV.

Virgin do use MPEG4 but only for streaming HD on demand content.”

They are gradually phasing out their old boxes and will be changing over to MPEG4 when this is complete meaning that our TiVo boxes should take longer to fill up.

Maybe that's why they haven't (so far) announced the rumoured 2TB box, as the new compression format will effectively mean that the box will be 1.75TB compared to the old system!
brangdon
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“I won't be rushing out to order one. I don't have a 4K TV (yet), I don't see the need for 6 tuners (is there ever that much worth recording at the same time?) and it's the ugliest piece of gadgetry I've seen in years.”

If it is truly 10 times faster, that is probably worth £50 to me. I'll probably wait to hear from actual users first, though.

Although, my TiVo recently failed and had to be replaced, so it's currently only 25% full. If I am going to lose the hard disk again for a new machine, it'd be better to do it sooner rather than later. Ideally before Christmas, because I tend to record a lot of movies over the holidays to watch later in the year.
Gavin_D
03-12-2016
The new TiVo should be available to order from Tuesday for existing customer's
stuntmaster
03-12-2016
Originally Posted by Gavin_D:
“The new TiVo should be available to order from Tuesday for existing customer's”

when I phoned the other day, they told me january....


where is your source?
Richardcoulter
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by stuntmaster:
“when I phoned the other day, they told me january....
where is your source?”

Sounds like CS are doing their usual trick of making it up as they go along in the absence of any proper information.

Everybody that has called them seems to be being given a different tale!
Richardcoulter
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Richardcoulter:
“They considered putting the TiVo software onto the V boxes, but decided against it.

My view is that they will offer an old TiVo free of charge as people upgrade to the V6 in order to end Librate.



The source of another forum member has said that VM are to roll out extra UHD content in the first quarter of 2017.

His view is that it will be PLC movies and Discovery content.



Yes, once it has been made available to order.”

This should say PPV movies, not PLC. Bloody autocorrect!
paulschapman
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by bigdave1360:
“Does anyone have any idea when the new VM Tivo box is being released?”

Just spoke to Virgin and they said call back in January as they are still testing the boxes
stuntmaster
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by paulschapman:
“Just spoke to Virgin and they said call back in January as they are still testing the boxes ”

same as me
stuntmaster
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by Richardcoulter:
“Sounds like CS are doing their usual trick of making it up as they go along in the absence of any proper information.

Everybody that has called them seems to be being given a different tale!”

agreed, im prepared to pay for the new box too.
psmith20
04-12-2016
Can anyone confirm if content from your existing tivo box can be transferred over to a new v6?
dannylau
04-12-2016
Originally Posted by psmith20:
“Can anyone confirm if content from your existing tivo box can be transferred over to a new v6?”

It can't only series links and thumbs
psmith20
04-12-2016
So effectively you would have to run them both to watch off your old box while recording on the new? Thats messy
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