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British Soaps Obsession with Death
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Whedonite
05-07-2016
Things die.
David the Wavid
05-07-2016
Characters have to die occasionally and deaths have provided soaps with some of their most powerful moments. We don't know what discussions have gone on behind the scenes and Paula Lane might have done an Anne Reid in that she has made clear she has no intention of ever returning in which case it's only right that Kylie die. The idea suggested of Kylie faking her death for the sake of leaving the door open sounds a bit daft to me. It's sad that Paula Lane wants to leave but TBH we've seen David and Kylie split up so many times that I'm glad we don't have to go through it again.
Adam_Manneh1
05-07-2016
This also damages any future return of Becky.
little-monster
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by Adam_Manneh1:
“This also damages any future return of Becky.”

I think Katherine Kelly's success damaged that, not Kylie's death
Sweet_Chocolate
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by Cool_mate:
“Still not sure why EastEnders killed off Peggy but at least they gave her a good send off. Coronation Street is the worst. They just kill characters off for no reason other than getting good ratings and being plastered all over the media

And for what? To kill the best soap character ever? Pffttt
So selfish

But as I said none of the characters should have died

1) reckon Callum could have changed. He was very fatherly towards Max so maybe he could have been redeemed and made into a better person. He fell into a bad crowd clearly cos Marions nice. Kylie and Gemma have become better ppl so why couldn't he?

2) Tony had the potential of being a really good character. Maybe Coronation Streets version of Phil Mitchell?

3) Kylie's my number 1. No way should she be killed. Can't believe that”

Haha, that's a joke. Corrie is the worst? EastEnders are the ones that have a thing with killing off loads of characters, especially off-screen. Four-and-a-half years on and people are still bitching on about Pat dying. In the last twelve months alone EastEnders have killed more people than Corrie.

I don't know why people are so bent out of shape over characters dying, it has been happening since the start of the show.
Mark_Washingto1
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by David the Wavid:
“Characters have to die occasionally and deaths have provided soaps with some of their most powerful moments. We don't know what discussions have gone on behind the scenes and Paula Lane might have done an Anne Reid in that she has made clear she has no intention of ever returning in which case it's only right that Kylie die. The idea suggested of Kylie faking her death for the sake of leaving the door open sounds a bit daft to me. It's sad that Paula Lane wants to leave but TBH we've seen David and Kylie split up so many times that I'm glad we don't have to go through it again.”

Even if Paula made it clear she wouldn't return, they could have left it open for a recast. If Emmerdale had decided to kill off Robert when Karl Davies left it would have prevented all the stories we've seen with Robert over the past 2 years.
little-monster
05-07-2016
Mark, i am surprised this is bothering you so much. I really am
Mark_Washingto1
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Mark, i am surprised this is bothering you so much. I really am”

Well its not just Kylie's death, its ALL the deaths, the British soaps kill off characters without a second thought and 9/10 times its in some violent way. I guess its cuz of me being from the US, are soaps try to avoid killing characters as much as possible and they rarely do violent deaths, anytime they have done one they got a lot of backlash.
little-monster
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Well its not just Kylie's death, its ALL the deaths, the British soaps kill off characters without a second thought and 9/10 times its in some violent way. I guess its cuz of me being from the US, are soaps try to avoid killing characters as much as possible and they rarely do violent deaths, anytime they have done one they got a lot of backlash.”

I assume the US soaps avoid violent deaths due to airing in the daytime. I mean I have just watched a recent episode of Y&R where one of the characters was shot and there was no blood to be seen. Plus i know the US soaps do a hell of a lot of recasts.
David the Wavid
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Even if Paula made it clear she wouldn't return, they could have left it open for a recast. If Emmerdale had decided to kill off Robert when Karl Davies left it would have prevented all the stories we've seen with Robert over the past 2 years.”

They would never recast such a big part, and quite rightly. Paula Lane has made the part her own.
Mark_Washingto1
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“I assume the US soaps avoid violent deaths due to airing in the daytime. I mean I have just watched a recent episode of Y&R where one of the characters was shot and there was no blood to be seen. Plus i know the US soaps do a hell of a lot of recasts.”

Nope it has nothing to do with that, they have done violent deaths sparingly but even at that the audience complains because they don't want to see one of their favorite characters die such a horrible death.

Originally Posted by David the Wavid:
“They would never recast such a big part, and quite rightly. Paula Lane has made the part her own.”

If they recast Robert on Emmerdale than a recast Kylie could work, obviously not right away but a few years from now.
little-monster
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Nope it has nothing to do with that, they have done violent deaths sparingly but even at that the audience complains because they don't want to see one of their favorite characters die such a horrible death.
”

But what the audience want and what they give are two very different things. Audiences can't always get what they want.
sorcha_healy27
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by David the Wavid:
“They would never recast such a big part, and quite rightly. Paula Lane has made the part her own.”

The recasting of Martin Fowler in Eastenders has been very successful so that's not necessarily true..

Saying that corrie doesn't tend to recast
Mark_Washingto1
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“The recasting of Martin Fowler in Eastenders has been very successful so that's not necessarily true..

Saying that corrie doesn't tend to recast”

What about Nick?
sorcha_healy27
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“What about Nick?”

Yes but not as much as say Eastenders
Mark_Washingto1
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Yes but not as much as say Eastenders”

Ok, well maybe that is something they need to consider doing. Paula is a great actress but I'm sure if they cast the right person the audience could get used to Kylie with a new head.
David the Wavid
05-07-2016
I'm surprised that anyone would advocate recasting. Soap actors play their characters hundreds of times, sometimes thousands. To see another person in their role would break my suspension of disbelief. The only exception is child actors who never say more than a few lines anyway.

Soaps have big enough casts that the writers can create new characters or give the stories they want to tell to another character.
Andybear
05-07-2016
Another death of a big character was Carl King in Emmerdale - loads of us were annoyed about that and some of us still are!
Andybear
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by Cool_mate:
“Still not sure why EastEnders killed off Peggy but at least they gave her a good send off. Coronation Street is the worst. They just kill characters off for no reason other than getting good ratings and being plastered all over the media

And for what? To kill the best soap character ever? Pffttt
So selfish

But as I said none of the characters should have died

1) reckon Callum could have changed. He was very fatherly towards Max so maybe he could have been redeemed and made into a better person. He fell into a bad crowd clearly cos Marions nice. Kylie and Gemma have become better ppl so why couldn't he?

2) Tony had the potential of being a really good character. Maybe Coronation Streets version of Phil Mitchell?

3) Kylie's my number 1. No way should she be killed. Can't believe that”


BIB: It was because Barbara Windsor asked then to. It was the same with Donna in Emmerdale - Verity Rushworth the actress who played her asked if she could be killed off and they brought her back to do that - it was totally different to Peggy though as her storyline lasted quite a long time.
Andybear
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by Cool_mate:
“Not sure. But it's not on doing it whatever their game. Don't they realise if they kill Kylie there's no going back? Says the boss didn't want her to go, uh alright mate, why kill her then? I think he was punishing Paula for being pregnant again. Bastard”

Calm down- she's only a fictional character! At least the actress who plays her is still alive which is more than can be said about a few other soap characters where the actor/actress has died in real life.
Mark_Washingto1
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by David the Wavid:
“I'm surprised that anyone would advocate recasting. Soap actors play their characters hundreds of times, sometimes thousands. To see another person in their role would break my suspension of disbelief. The only exception is child actors who never say more than a few lines anyway.

Soaps have big enough casts that the writers can create new characters or give the stories they want to tell to another character.”

Why is that the case, its been done before with Nick, did Ben Price showing up as Nick make Corrie less believable for you?
Andybear
05-07-2016
[quote=Mark_Washingto1;83045784]Nope it has nothing to do with that, they have done violent deaths sparingly but even at that the audience complains because they don't want to see one of their favorite characters die such a horrible death.

Perhaps you Americans are more sensitive than us Brits.
Mark_Washingto1
05-07-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“Perhaps you Americans are more sensitive than us Brits.”

IDK if its that, maybe its the fact that our soaps are looked at more as escapism with the Love in the Afternoon stuff and yours are looked at more as a take on reality. But even so I just think its a waste to kill off so many popular characters. There are many ways to write the characters out without killing them. I thought Jason's exit on Corrie was one of the better ones and it was not dramatic or involved death, would it be so terrible if 90% of characters just moved away?
sorcha_healy27
05-07-2016
[quote=Andybear;83046992]
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Nope it has nothing to do with that, they have done violent deaths sparingly but even at that the audience complains because they don't want to see one of their favorite characters die such a horrible death.

Perhaps you Americans are more sensitive than us Brits.”

Again with the digs at Americans.
Andybear
05-07-2016
[quote=sorcha_healy27;83047570]
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“
Again with the digs at Americans.”

Sorry, that wasn't mean as a dig - I have some lovely American friends. Mark is differentiating between Americans and Brits in this case and I'm trying to think of a reason why the differences in attitudes - that's the only one I can think of.
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