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Old 08-07-2016, 13:41
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England managers are treated very differently to club managers. Look at Bobby Robson. Loved as a club manager, vilified as England boss. You underestimate the vindictiveness of the English press towards whoever is England manager.

Even in the 60s Sir Alf wouldn't give them the time of day, and he was able to get away with it for a few years. Nowadays, the manager has targets pinned to them for the press to hit.
BIB - I think Van Gaal would beg to differ

Anyway, I can't see anyone complaining about England reaching a quarter final for the first time in ages, which is hardly an impossible task for any manager
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Old 08-07-2016, 13:44
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BIB - I think Van Gaal would beg to differ

Anyway, I can't see anyone complaining about England reaching a quarter final for the first time in ages, which is hardly an impossible task for any manager
So if England had beaten Iceland, everyone would be congratulating Roy?

He got us to the QF in 2012, with a poor team, but he was hardly given a heroes welcome, and ever since people have had the knives out for him.
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Old 08-07-2016, 13:52
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So if England had beaten Iceland, everyone would be congratulating Roy?

He got us to the QF in 2012, with a poor team, but he was hardly given a heroes welcome, and ever since people have had the knives out for him.
Because England played so badly!! Had England played like Germany yesterday, but lost, people would be heartbroken but they could live with it. Had England battled like Iceland when 4:0 down, I think people would have accepted it, but they just played so badly! And that was Roy's fault to a great extent.

I think if England had lost to France in the quarter-final on sheer quality, people would have been OK with that.
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:02
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Because England played so badly!! Had England played like Germany yesterday, but lost, people would be heartbroken but they could live with it. Had England battled like Iceland when 4:0 down, I think people would have accepted it, but they just played so badly! And that was Roy's fault to a great extent.

I think if England had lost to France in the quarter-final on sheer quality, people would have been OK with that.
So one match decides whether Roy is a hit or miss? That's ridiculous.
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:03
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So one match decides whether Roy is a hit or miss? That's ridiculous.
One match? 3 tournaments more like it!
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Old 08-07-2016, 17:47
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The German press and fans are totally outraged that every German player got a 100K EUR bonus for reaching the semi-final because a World Champion should only be aiming for the title. That's how demanding German football fans are. No one is going to celebrate this heroic semi-final exist for 20 years.

Low would become an English legend
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Old 08-07-2016, 19:28
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The German press and fans are totally outraged that every German player got a 100K EUR bonus for reaching the semi-final because a World Champion should only be aiming for the title. That's how demanding German football fans are. No one is going to celebrate this heroic semi-final exist for 20 years.

Low would become an English legend
And the English fans and press are outraged that players have been smiling and laughing and going on holidays etc

Fans and The Press no matter what the nationality are outraged about something more often then not

If The Media did not fan the flames of outrage they would be go out of business
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Old 08-07-2016, 20:06
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The German press and fans are totally outraged that every German player got a 100K EUR bonus for reaching the semi-final because a World Champion should only be aiming for the title. That's how demanding German football fans are. No one is going to celebrate this heroic semi-final exist for 20 years.

Low would become an English legend
So countries who win more tend to expect more. Not sure what the big deal is here.
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Old 08-07-2016, 21:10
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And the English fans and press are outraged that players have been smiling and laughing and going on holidays etc

Fans and The Press no matter what the nationality are outraged about something more often then not

If The Media did not fan the flames of outrage they would be go out of business
So countries who win more tend to expect more. Not sure what the big deal is here.
The point is that someone who has been continuously ripped apart by the press over the course of a decade, in which he has won a World Cup, played in a Euros final and never taken the team lower than a semi-final in any tournament, would find the pressure of England's media and fan expectations a breeze!

His predecessor has set the bar so low that the fans and media will almost be happy with anything slightly better
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Old 09-07-2016, 06:40
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Nope. The press would never criticise Low as long as his results were better than Hodgson's (not a big challenge there). You have never before had a manager with Low's reputation.

Look how the press is treating Klopp despite his less than stellar season and he hasn't even won a Champions League title, let alone a World Cup. Low would be untouchable.
And look at how the press turned against Mourinho last season after being their darling the previous season. Low would have a honeymoon period but it wouldn't take much for the press to turn on him, he'd be far from untouchable. But it's all academic anyway, I can't see Low ever being England manager.
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Old 09-07-2016, 10:56
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So one match decides whether Roy is a hit or miss? That's ridiculous.
You said if England had reached the QF people would have been happy with that, and I actually think you're right, so that one match against Iceland made all the difference.

They did reach the QF in 2012.
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Old 09-07-2016, 10:58
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The point is that someone who has been continuously ripped apart by the press over the course of a decade, in which he has won a World Cup, played in a Euros final and never taken the team lower than a semi-final in any tournament, would find the pressure of England's media and fan expectations a breeze!

His predecessor has set the bar so low that the fans and media will almost be happy with anything slightly better
The press will never accept any England manager. History has shown us that, and when they go on the warpath, 1000's of readers believe what they're reading, and start moaning too.
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