I don't disagree with you-except you may have seen Yohinnchild expressing concern about the reduced and reducing number of participants-so how to get the numbers up?What if half of all participants were reduced list but still the favs or unfavs were counting fully-what would it matter as the middle would still be differentiated by those that had ranked them.As I said I don't really have an ideal solution as to how to increase the turnout.The poll has endured for 10 years(?)so it's a good format and no one has really suggested much change over those 10 years but the new problem exists and it might just come to an end if there aren't enough voters.

One problem with changing the voting system is that, this is a very statistics driven poll with a lot of analysis vs. previous years' polls. If the voting system is radically changed then that comparison no longer works properly.

I don't think it would be right to change the voting system after the voting has finished so any such change would need to be for next year anyway.

Statistics aside, I think Veri's system could work but I wouldn't want to see it turn into a lot of people just listing a top 1 or a top 10 out of laziness. I think there'd need to be a minimum number of entries imposed to try to discourage that.

I think if we can maintain the numbers - and there was quite a surge of votes following Yohinchild's initial concerns - then I'd prefer to keep to the traditional method we've always used. This poll is something of a tradition, after all, and it would be a shame to mess with that, IMO.

here is a direct comparison of the number of voters last year to this


2015 = 63
2016 = 51

so shortfall of 12, its worth pointing out that at least 3 of those "missing" this time are in fact banned so it may not be as bad as that. Although of course you dont know if they werent banned if they would in fact have voted, they may not have anyway of course.

Some people may have sent their rankings in via PM, so we may have had more than a total of 51 rankings.

My stats are those posted? Why would any pm'd not have been posted? The OP last posted at 9.30ish last night and they have been online more than once today so had they had any late ones they would have posted them by now?

I've never had any votes by pm and wouldn't accept any votes by PM either as all the votes should be transparent and posted for all to see

Thanks for that, so is the poll now officially closed and only those votes currently showing on the thread are or will be counted?

Ah, sorry, I didn't realise that.

Yup voting is closed and now begins the long count up

Thankyou very much for confirming that, i have some other stats i have been working on and wanted to be sure they are final now.

Any idea when we can expect the results to commence?

I've watched all of C4's Big Brother's. I've been less than consistent with C5's version - in fact the only one that's held my attention from start to finish is series 14.

I'd be far more inclined to complete my list if the show wasn't currently such crap. I've completely fallen out of love with it throughout the C5 era and so none of the housemates make me excited or passionate enough for me to want to create a full list.

Wasn't going to take part at all this year as my interest in the show is at an all time low, but wanted to show my support in some way to the OP as this thread has been around for years and it'd be a shame to see it go the way The X Factor one went.
My list was pretty pathetic, but hopefully the gesture was there

No need to apologise, it doesnt matter how many you listed, thats entirely up to you, all lists are welcome, whatever the size. Hope my part in the discussion above hasnt suggested i may hold an alternate view, if you have read back do you have any opinion as someone who didnt post a full list on the format ?

Thanks Yohinnchild.

Can you please post a link to the results thread on this thread (once it's up)?

I don't go into the BB forum much, I just go directly to my Subscribed Threads link so I may miss it otherwise.

Personally, I'd stick with the system in place.

Knowing my favourites only get more points if I spend more time on my list seems fair enough, to me. That list took me, what, about five minutes? Kate doesn't deserve maximum points (or a set amount, depending on what rules were in place) when I'm not willing to put the effort in. If I was desperate for her to do well, it's on me to give her a boost by completing the list.

I think the current system is motivational. If I was a full time watcher, I'd definitely have done a full list to ensure my top 10/20 gain an advantage, but as I said in my previous post, I've only really dipped in and out since C5 took over, which means ranking about a third of the housemates I have no real opinion of - which I find quite tedious.

Kate really only deserves 36 points from me and no more because it only took five minutes of my time. Having any other type of system in place surely just encourages people to submit incomplete lists (which is fine, obviously, I did it myself, but without those who are willing to complete full lists, we don't have much of a competition, do we?)

It's a bit of a catch-22 situation though because the more housemates that need to be ranked, the more daunting and overwhelming it becomes for any newbies wanting to submit a list.
It's okay for regulars, they can copy and paste their previous list, glance through it and make a few changes along the way, not so easy for new posters, so I do feel that it may benefit from some kind of rule change that entices new posters to get involved.

I enjoy it the way it is; but I'm not the host and if rules need to be changed/tweaked, then that's understandable, but it would be a bit of shame as you wouldn't really be able to compare the results of the previous years if the format now changes.

Exactly this for me. I have watched since BB2, but I have never posted a full list. Kind of wish I had started to submit full lists prior to C5 when there was around 150 to rank. And then as you said with regulars, add in the new series HMs and it's easier.

The fact that next year I need to rank around 320 Hms seems like an impossible task especially as I'd have to write down all ~320 names in full, even without thinking of where I want to place them, it would take hours for me to write down that many names all in one go without getting migraine.

I know you don't do CBB ones, but I reckon i'd give that one a go.... there's 208 of them to rank though, but i reckon i could do it if I had a full day to do it.

Well you could always copy and paste the list provided in the OP - why it's there so you don't have to write them out individually. alternatively you could always copy someone else's vote and then rejig from there - easy really

The CBB one stopped as uptake was low - I think the last one didn't even have 30 people vote and that was just after CBB13

Thankyou for your reply, cant say i disagree at all.

what i do is one year i saved my list on my hard drive, so all i have to do now each time, is update it with that years intake, make any tweaks to already listed hms if needsby and then its ready to be C&P'd .

Yes under 30 would be to low to make it (CBB) worthwhile i quite agree

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2 Freddie Fisher (BB10)
3 Chris Wright (BB15)
4 Corin Forshaw (BB11)
5 Rachel Rice (BB9)
6 Dexter Koh (BB14)
7 Faye Palmer (BB12)
8 Lauren Carre (BB13)
9 Sunshine Martyn (BB11)
10 Mary O'Leary (BB6)
11 Ashleigh Coyle (BB15)
12 Jason Burrill (BB17)
13 Christopher Hall (BB15)
14 Jayne Connery (BB17)
15 Anna Nolan (BB1)
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17 Sallie Axl (BB14)
18 Dan Neal (BB14)
19 Glyn Wise (BB7)
20 Joel Williams (BB16)
21 Chloe Wilburn (BB16)
22 Eileen Daly (BB16)
23 Deana Uppal (BB13)
24 Danielle McMahon (BB15)
25 Kathreya Kasisopa (BB9)
26 Nick Henderson (B16)
27 Harriet Jackson (BB16)
28 Angel McKenzie (BB10)
29 Jade-Martina Lynch (BB16)
30 Lydia Louisa (BB13)
31 Adam Kelly (BB13)
32 Georgina Cantwell (BB17)
33 Caroline Wharram (BB13)
34 Benedict Garrett (BB13)
35 Kieron McLeod (BB16)
36 Andy West (BB17)
37 Adjoa Mensah (BB16)
38 Caoihme Guilfoyle (BB11)
39 Sara McLean (BB13)
40 Amanda Marchant (BB8)
41 Sam Marchant (BB8)
42 Harry Amelia Martin (BB16)
43 Emma Jensen (BB17)
44 Pete Bennett (BB7)
45 Aaron Allard-Morgan (BB12)
46 Matthew Davies (BB15)
47 Sarah Greenwood (BB16)
48 Rex Newmark (BB9)
49 Ife Kuku (BB11)
50 Benjamin Duncan (BB11)
51 Grace Adams-Short (BB7)
52 Kate Rawler (BB3)
53 Adele Roberts (BB3)
54 Makoski Musambasi (BB6)
55 Christian Clarkson (BB16)
56 Michelle Bass (BB5)
57 Sally Broadbent (BB16)
58 Charlie Travers (BB14)
59 Amy Broadbent (BB16)
60 Hira Habibsah (BB10)
61 Sophie Reade (BB10)
62 Danny Wisker (BB16)
63 Andrew Edmonds (BB11)
64 Rachel Ifon (BB11)
65 Rodrigo Lopes (BB10)
66 Mohamed Mohamed (BB9)
67 Aaron Frew (BB16)
68 Lisa Appleton (BB9)
69 Shanessa Reilly (BB8)
70 Shabnam Paryani (BB8)
71 Tracey Barnard (BB8)
72 Science (BB6)
73 Kinga Karolczak (BB6)
74 Siavash Shabbashpour (BB10)
75 Victoria Jensen (BB17)
76 Imogen Thomas (BB7)
77 Mario Marconi (BB9)
78 Nicole Cammack (BB9)
79 Anthony Hutton (BB6)
80 Victor Ebuwa (BB5)
81 Nick Bateman (BB1)
82 Craig Phillips (BB1)
83 Brian Downling (BB2)
84 Emma Greenwood (BB5)
85 Louise Cliffe (BB12)
86 Simon Gross (BB16)
87 Kimberly Kisselovich (BB15)
88 Jale Karaturp (BB15)
89 Ash Harrison (BB15)
90 Pav Paul (BB15)
91 Luke Anderson (BB13)
92 Kara-Louise Horne (BB8)
93 Carole Vincent (BB8)
94 Ziggy Lichman (BB8)
95 Mikey Dalton (BB7)
96 Lisa Huo (BB7)
97 Lea Walker (BB7)
98 Harry Blake (BB12)
99 Rebeckah Vaughan (BB12)
100 Evelyn Ellis (BB17)
101 Jack McDermott(BB16)
102 Anton Murphy (BB12)
103 Saskia Howard-Clarke (BB6)
104 Liam McGough (BB8)
105 Nicky Maxwell (BB8)
106 Seany O'Kane (BB8)
107 Laura Williams (BB8)
108 Emily Parr (BB8)
109 Amy Alexander (BB8)
110 Eugene Sully (BB6)
111 Mario Mugan (BB11)
112 JJ Bird (BB11)
113 Nathan Dunn (BB11)
114 Oralaith McAllister (BB6)
115 Derek Laud (BB6)
116 Jason Cowan (BB5)
117 Laura Carter (BB17)
118 Spencer Smith (BB3)
119 Allison Hammond (BB3)
120 Bubble (BB2)
121 Caroline O'Shea (BB1)
122 Chelsea Singh (BB17)
123 Gerry Stergiopoulous (BB8)
124 Jonty Stern (BB8)
125 Sam Kay (BB16)
126 David Parnaby (BB8)
127 Shahbaz Chauhdry (BB7)
128 Susie Verricho (BB7)
129 Jennie Corner (BB7
130 George Askew (BB7)
131 Sam Broadie (BB7)
132 Craig Coates (BB6)
133 Vanessa McIntosh (BB6)
134 Sara Folino (BB9)
135 Kemal Shahin (BB6)
136 Maxwell Ward (BB6)
137 Vanessa Nimmo (BB5)
138 Daniel Bryan (BB5)
139 Ahmed Aghil (BB5)
140 Toya Washington (BB15)
141 Hazel O'Sullivan (BB14)
142 Charlie Doherty (BB17)
143 Spiral (BB7)
144 Jayne Kitt (BB7)
145 Johnathan Leonard (BB7)
146 Sezer Yurtseven (BB7)
147 Lisa Jeynes (BB4)
148 Frederico Martone (BB4)
149 Sunita Sharma (BB3)
150 Alex Sibley (BB3)
151 Tim Culley (BB3)
152 Lynne Moncrieff (BB3)
153 Sandy Cumming (BB3)
154 Sissy Rooney (BB4)
155 Steph Coldicott (BB4)
156 Cameron Stout (BB4)
157 PJ Ellis (BB3)
158 Sophie Pritchard (BB3)
159 Penny Ellis (BB2)
160 Helen Adams (BB2
161 Amma Antwi-Agyei (BB2)
162 Tom Dermott (BB1)
163 Melanie Hill (BB1)
164 Brian Belo (BB8)
165 Lesley Brain (BB8)
166 Johnathan Durden (BB8)
167 Sam Huetson (BB6)
168 Roberto Contre (BB6)
169 Lesley Sanderson (BB6)
170 Stuart Wilson (BB5)
171 Becki Seddiki (BB5)
172 Tom Oliver (BB10)
173 David Ramsden (BB10)
174 Karly Ashworth (BB10)
175 Shell Jubin (BB5)
176 Jonny Regan (BB3)
177 Lee Davey (BB3)
178 Stuart Hosking (BB2)
179 Tania do Nascimento (BB4)
180 Scott Turner (BB4)
181 Elizabeth Woodcock (BB2)
182 Dean O'Laughlin (BB2)
183 Josh Rafter (BB2)
184 Andrew Davidson (BB1)
185 Sada Wilkington (BB1)
186 Justine Sellman (BB4)
187 Jon Thickle (BB4)
188 Dale Howard (BB9)
189 Marlon Wallen (BB15)
190 Zoe Birkett (BB15)
191 Steven Goode (BB15)
192 Stuart Pilkington (BB9)
193 Belinda Harris-Reid (BB9)
194 Darnell Swallow (BB9)
195 Heaven Afrika (BB12)
196 Mark Henderson (BB12)
197 Dave Vaughan (BB11)
198 Jo Butler (BB11)
199 Keely Johnson (BB11)
200 Sophia Brown (BB10)
201 Beinazir Lasharie (BB10)
202 Sree Desari (BB10)
203 Charlie Drummond (BB10)
204 Saffia Corden (BB10)
205 Ray Shah (BB4)
206 Gos Goscal (BB4)
207 Nush Nowak (BB4)
208 Claire Strutton (BB1)
209 Nichola Holt (BB1)
210 Nardiner Kaur (BB2)
211 Darren Ramsay (BB1)
212 Alex Cannon (BB17)
213 Paul Clarke (BB2)
214 Maysoon Shaladi (BB9)
215 Sylvie Barrie (BB9)
216 Jennifer Clark (BB9)
217 Richard Newman (BB7)
218 Cairon Austin-Reid (BB10)
219 Norin Kelly (BB10)
220 Jackson Blyton (BB17)
221 Andrew Tate (BB17)
222 Kenneth Tong (BB10)
223 Bonnie Holt (BB7)
224 Michael Cheshire (BB7)
225 Sam Giffen (BB17)
226 Isaac Stout (BB10)
227 Kris Donnelly (BB10)
228 Stephanie McMichael (BB9)
229 Tom O'Connell (BB12)
230 Luke Scrase (BB13)
231 Becky Hannon (BB13)
232 Shievonne Robinson (BB13)
233 Alex Lee (BB12)
234 Rachael White (BB11)
235 Govan Hinds (BB11)
236 Joe Glenny (BB14)
237 Wolfy Millington (BB14)
238 Maisy James (BB12)
239 Jem Palmer (BB12)
240 Aden Theobald (BB12)
241 Tashie Jackson (BB12)
242 Jackie Travers (BB14)
243 Jemima Slade (BB14)
244 Natalie Rowe (BB17)
245 Dawn Blake (BB7)
246 Marco Sabba (BB5)
247 Michael Hughes (BB9)
248 Arron Lowe (BB13)
249 Chris James (BB13)
250 Victoria Eisermann (BB13)
251 Sam Evans (BB14)
252 Callum Knell (BB14)
253 Lateshya Grace (BB17)
254 Sophie Lawrence (BB14)
255 Jack Glenny (BB14)
256 Tamara Stewart-Wood (BB15)
257 Biannca Lake (BB15)
258 Pauline Bennett (BB15)
259 Mark Byron (BB15)
260 Jade Goody (BB3)
261 Laura McAdam (BB11)
262 Marco Pierre White Jnr (BB17)
263 Sam Pepper (BB11)
264 Scott Mason (BB13)
265 Ashleigh Hughes (BB13)
266 Daley Ojuederie (BB14)
267 Alexandra De-Gale (BB9)
268 Dennis McHugh (BB9)
269 Ryan Ruckledge (BB17)
270 Conor McIntyre (BB13)
271 Marc O’Neill (BB16)
272 Chanelle Hayes (BB8)
273 Shabby Kathadourian (BB11)
274 Winston Showan (BB15)
275 Hughie Maughan (BB17)
276 Luke Marsden (BB9)
277 Bea Hamil (BB10)
278 Steve Gill (BB11)
279 Jay McKray (BB12)
280 Gina Rio (BB14)
281 Charley Uchea (BB8)
282 Rebecca Shiner (BB9)
283 Billi Bhatti (BB8)
284 Kitten Pinder (BB5)
285 Nadia Almada (BB5)
286 Marcus Akin (BB10)
287 John James Parton (BB11)
288 Lisa Wallace (BB10)
289 Josie Gibson (BB11)
290 Aisleyne Horgan-Wallace (BB7)
291 Helen Wood (BB15)

I was going to sympathise with you for being too late, but I'm glad you are now.

I didn't know there was a time limit. A lot of thought went into that! list!

I didn't think you were usually as harsh to poor little Leyna.
Has she fallen out with Nikki?

No the only important position was number 1 Nikki!
Perhaps I was a bit harsh corrected.

ah... Now I feel I should Include the list mainly as more votes are always better and also the amount of time gone into making the lists.

As you've posted it I'll accept the vote - I feel more votes is better than obeying a time limit on open votes

Apologies if that annoys anyone - but more votes is a better sample and if anyone else has gone to the trouble of a list then post it and I'll include it.

Hmm!
Obviously you must make your own decision, and I've no problem with bluegroper being able to submit a list, but when he said a lot of thought had gone into his list he was joking.

bluegroper's list is just an exact copy and paste of Barracute's list

After I'd quoted Aisleyne's place he went back and edited to swap Helen and Aisleyne round, but that's the only difference.