Thanks for the votes

A lot of people seem to have made spelling mistakes when coming to 291st position. I believe the correct spelling is "Helen Wood". I trust these votes will be corrected.

Thank you.

Obviously absence makes the heart grow fonder with Helen

I didn't watch BB8 all the way through and have limited memory of it. I think I have Sam & Amanda higher than Carole in my ranking though.

Looking back at my list I didn't realise how badly clustered they were. I originally made the list last year by putting all the housemates together and moving a selection of them up and down and leaving the ones I couldn't remember much or didn't really have an opinion on. I edited it slightly this year but the clustering is still there. Next year I'll try and do it in more detail.

For me, she wasn't even close to being as vile as Conor.

What I did (some years back by now) was first put them all in a random order so that there wouldn't be a bias by series or alphabetical order, then rate them each from 1 to 10, then adjust.

But there's always a problem of what to do with the ones you don't (or just barely) remember. Do they deserve a very low rating because they aren't memorable? Are they even worse than nasty, obnoxious housemates?

If I did a full list I'd put all the lowest of the low housemates (scum ones) as bottom (only 3-4 ),people like Conor, Dennis etc... followed by the very forgettable ones (a few BB4 ones, David BB10, Laura BB11 etc... followed by other nasty ones (Helen), then huge bunch of forgettable ones, then ones I don't like, then ones that are 'meh', OK ones and then the ones I like.

Helen was nasty, poisonous and obnoxious in bb16, but that's ok because she didn't overtly start anything? That seems to be your reasoning.

Do you not know Helen took the "defence" role as a tactic?

I would love to know how someone who as Aisleyne and Rachel as their top two manages to get Helen Wood into their top 50 rather than down where they put HMs like Sezer.



I don't think Helen has to be at the very bottom. It's reasonable to think Conor was worse, or some other HMs. But she still ought to be in the bottom 10.

Yet some people have given her shockingly high ratings.

That's especially odd since she's not just being compared against other bb15 HMs or BB 15 & 16 ones -- in this thread, she's being ranked against every HM there's ever been. So no "Ashleigh was just as bad" sort of stuff can possibly justify it.

Apart from the epilator rhyme (condemned as "vile" in an unsuccessful court case brought by Deana) I'm never quite sure why Conor is singled out for hate on this and other forums. Maybe the 50 grand had something to with it.

I thought there were more persistently nastier people in his series. Despite the Outsiders triumphing it was an even nastier series than BB6.

I personally always put the ones I barely remember and the ones who we hardly saw above the nastier HMs. I know these HMs weren't in the same series, but if BB11's Laura, who is basically only remembered for walking after four days, happened to be up against nastier people like Helen Wood or Conor, I would much prefer Laura staying every single time.


During the Confusing Cuisine task, where they had to eat food that looked like something but was actually something else, Deana had to eat spam, which she didn't like. As well as Arron, he picked on her saying that she was doing it for the cameras, but she was far from the only HM who was finding it difficult to eat the food, and yet she was the only one that got criticised.

Also, the day before Arron was evicted, he, Arron, Deana and Becky went in the Diary Room to answer questions put to them by BOTS viewers, (which was something the HMs that were up for eviction did every week). During the entire interview, Conor and Arron were so nasty about Deana and Becky with the things they were saying, the faces they were pulling, the rude hand gestures at them. And throughout this, they were congratulating each other by fist-bumping each other. They were so proud of themselves with what they were doing. Deana got very upset and when she left the Diary Room, she burst into tears. When Conor found out, his reaction was, "Deana's crying? Good!". He knew that he had made her upset, and he didn't care at all.

I can't find clips of either of these examples to link them to my post.

And another thing worth mentioning - during the next series, at the time Daley had been removed for threatening Hazel, Conor had been getting messages on his Twitter page, (now not available to look at online), commenting on his epilator rant about Deana. And his response was something like, "people are tweeting me about what I said about Deana last year. Well, here's what I'm going to say - £50 grand!"

He was completely unrepentant about his behaviour. He's nothing more than a thug who behaved absolutely appallingly. Never mind the fact that he should have been removed for what he said; he shouldn't have even gone into the house in the first place. Vile excuse for a man.

Just to say voting is still Open and closes on Sunday

It wasn't just the epilator incident - he was vile throughout. His hatred of Deana from Day 1 (I'm not a big Deana fan by the way) was disturbing and felt race related. Plus there was the moment he almost turned feral on the night of Arron's eviction.

All strong no-nonsense women who stand up for what they believe is right. It's not that much of a stretch.

Having said that, I often second-guess myself about Helen. Sometimes I can't believe I voted for her to win and rated her so highly but it is what it is. Maybe it's a gut thing.

I honestly don't see her as vile and poisonous though.

I see the language she uses to be vile and poisonous but words are just words. Filter the actual words out and her worst fault is just a bit of overly defensive anger issues when pushed (rather like the much loved Hughie).

She was always loyal to her friends, her primary goal in the house was always just to have a good time and for everyone to get along. She sometimes judged people to be against her when they weren't but she was often willing to see when she was wrong and to try to patch things up.

I saw most of her time in BB16 as trying to enjoy her time, minding her own business and constantly being attacked by people who had a vendetta against her. I know she reacts badly when attacked but I can't help but blame her attackers for that, not her. She didn't ask for it and I don't think she deserved it.

As for using defence as a tactic. I don't see that at all. Helen is not a tactical person in my opnion. She's a reactive person.

I know I'm not going to convince anyone on here about her. But you asked how I could think well of her and that's why.

I think that 13 had more nastiness (what we were shown anyway). Don't get me wrong, 6 was very nasty too but it had aspects of fun throughout.

I think the reason people see 6 as slightly nastier is because a member of the "nastier" group (this is debatable as both groups were nasty at points) ended up winning whereas in 13 the 'outsiders' were top 3.

But like I said there was hardly an innocent group in 6, eve time had glimmers of nastiness except maybe Sam and Mary.

4 days left to get your votes in

I suspect you may have ended up with a smallish number of 1s and 10s and an awful lot of 5s and 6s.

Rating the 200 in the middle is always the hardest part.

No way was Anthony a member of the nasty group. The nasty group, by a long chalk, were Makosi's lot. All they did all day was bitch about and scheme against Saskia's group and all Saskia's group ever did was try to enjoy their experience. Saskia even had a bitching ban!

There was never a bigger case of the public getting the wrong end of the stick and backing the wrong people than BB6.

The most annoying BB ever, for me

Although Makosi didn't chuck scabs into people's food.

I really wanted to like Maxwell but he just turned out to be a bad one when the crowd reaction at Lesley's eviction convinced him and Saskia that their popularity was a free pass to behave however they wanted. Craig jumped ship pretty damn quickly too and he was as nasty as they came whichever group he was in.

Both groups were bad. Yes, Makosi's group were bitchier, but you can't overlook how aggressive and nasty Maxwell was. Personally, I kind of liked BB6 for being so overtly confrontational - there's never been anything quite like it.

For me, the only truly loathsome person that year was Lesley.

Apart from the scab thing (for which there was never any evidence that it actually happened) I don't recall them ever being what I would consider nasty and I was watching pretty much every square footage of live streaming at the time.

Not that I remember details after all this time but I do remember my feelings about them and nastiness was not something I saw in them.

They were given confidence by the crowd reaction and they may have been exhibiting too much confidence for a fickle public who like their housemates to be humble. But that was the extent of it, as far as I was concerned.

The crowd reaction did, however, make them targets to the rest of the housemates and Makosi did a bang up job of manipulating everyone into making sure they were both up together. Machiavelli doesn't even come close!



Maxwell had his flaws but his heart was in the right place. He was a stand up guy, in my book and a lot of stuff was in the face of extreme provocation.

Maxwell and Saskia were my top two housemates that year. I can only assume that the highlights were giving a very distorted view of what was really going on because from what I was seeing night after night of live streaming, they were the good guys in that house and the public's heroes were some of my most despised housemates of all time!

The problem with Maxwell and Saskia is they heard the cheers week 2 and thought they were loved and believed in their own hype. BB6 in general wasn't exactly a house full of nice people; on either side.

However Derek, Makosi, Science, Kemal etc were all far more interesting than two people from Essex who thought they were brilliant.

Anyway - voting closes on sunday - GET YOUR VOTES IN!!!!!!!!

Saskia was from Kingston and Maxwell from Islington (Arsenal territory). No Essex involved.

Haha, nice to know that was the only inaccurate thing in my post