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Old 08-07-2016, 12:50
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Year zero for a new society to be built from scratch by a group of people for the long haul.

And what wild and exotic location you are thinking may this adventure into new civilization creation be taking place: the foothills of the Himalayas or Andes, remote Siberia ?

Nope: Scotland.
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Old 11-07-2016, 14:05
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Seems like a carbon copy of Castaway, which was hugely enjoyable. Will be watching this with interest.
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Old 11-07-2016, 17:11
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Year zero for a new society to be built from scratch by a group of people for the long haul.

And what wild and exotic location you are thinking may this adventure into new civilization creation be taking place: the foothills of the Himalayas or Andes, remote Siberia ?

Nope: Scotland.
There has been a bit in the media about local people not being too happy about an area being fenced off by them.

TV reality show to be filmed in Ardnamurchan

Life of Eden: Scots starring in new reality show battle to survive as they're shut off from the world
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Old 12-07-2016, 01:16
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Is it going to be like 10 Million Years BC or whatever when they have to build huts and light fires? Except for that one the huts were ready built.

I guess if it is a post-apocalyptic world there will be the ruins of houses to live in?

Hopefully it isn't going to be all about survival skills or it will be so samey.
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Old 13-07-2016, 10:12
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I don't think it is either prehistoric or apocalyptic. They are just starting a society and community from scratch, assume no modern communications or anything like that.

A question though about the Scottish Highlands from a southern Irelander, just how empty are they ? Did the Duke of Cumberland really do such a thorough ethnic cleansing ?
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Old 14-07-2016, 09:02
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Have a look here
http://www.ardnamurchanestate.co.uk/...estate/history

A lot of the land in the highlands is owned by private estates. If you're interested you could have a look at what andy Wightman says as he's strong on land reform for Scotland.
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Old 14-07-2016, 09:57
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I am intrigued about this show so I will be tuning in. I never saw Castaway so I won't have that to compare it to. It could be interesting, especially as they will be revisiting them for a year.
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Old 14-07-2016, 10:52
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Look's good I'll be watching as long as it's not on every night of the week.
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Old 14-07-2016, 14:10
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Didn't realise they'd been there since March - biizarre to think that they don't know about Brexit or that we have a new PM. Or about Boris! Lucky them........
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Old 16-07-2016, 03:52
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Have a look here
http://www.ardnamurchanestate.co.uk/...estate/history

A lot of the land in the highlands is owned by private estates. If you're interested you could have a look at what andy Wightman says as he's strong on land reform for Scotland.
Thanks for the info Beecher, interesting that much of rural Scotland still exists in an 18th century post-Jacobite rebellion great estate settlement. Vast tracts of privately held land of 5000 - 10,000 acre estates will probably mean the Eden pioneers will not be that close to a Tesco or Aldi store.

Starting to understand the Scottish independence thing a bit more now.
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Old 16-07-2016, 09:34
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I don't think it is either prehistoric or apocalyptic. They are just starting a society and community from scratch, assume no modern communications or anything like that.

A question though about the Scottish Highlands from a southern Irelander, just how empty are they ? Did the Duke of Cumberland really do such a thorough ethnic cleansing ?
Much (most?) of the depopulation of the Highlands was in the 19th Century, combination of landlords wanting to use the land more productively and people moving of their own accord to the cities or emigrating. I have wondered if it had not happened whether there might have been more famines as in Ireland with land being split into smaller and smaller holdings that could not support the families living on them.

The Army under the Duke of Cumberland defeated the Jacobites at Culloden, I think there were more Scots on the government side than in the Jacobite army. Many, including many Highlanders, did not support the Jacobites. It is more comicated than the simplistic version of events given by some.

Whenever anyone talked of the Clearances, a colleague at work used to ask people when the last Clearances happened. They would quote somewhere like Sutherland in the mid-19th Century so he would tell them that the last Clearances were in Norfolk in the 1930s (there were also some in Lancashire around the same time).
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Old 16-07-2016, 09:37
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Thanks for the info Beecher, interesting that much of rural Scotland still exists in an 18th century post-Jacobite rebellion great estate settlement. Vast tracts of privately held land of 5000 - 10,000 acre estates will probably mean the Eden pioneers will not be that close to a Tesco or Aldi store.

Starting to understand the Scottish independence thing a bit more now.
Quite a lot of Ardnamurchan was owned by the Boots company for many years I think though I don't think they own any there now.
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Old 16-07-2016, 10:45
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Anyone know if this is an Endemol production?

Sounds quite like the ill fated Utopia
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Old 16-07-2016, 13:34
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Anyone know if this is an Endemol production?

Sounds quite like the ill fated Utopia
According to the P&J

The Channel 4 series – entitled Eden – is being produced by London-based KEO Films.
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Old 16-07-2016, 13:41
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According to the P&J
Ah cool. Utopia suffered for the usual Endemol "character" selection, people picked not to get on. I and pretty much the entire audience gave up very quickly.

If this is a return to the proper experiment type show Castaway was I'm quite excited
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Old 16-07-2016, 18:23
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Sounds good in Radio Times - sounds like the producers have picked people who will do their best to get along and make productive use of their time.
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Old 17-07-2016, 00:24
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Quite a lot of Ardnamurchan was owned by the Boots company for many years I think though I don't think they own any there now.
Thanks for the history lesson, just a small word of advice, best not to make sweeping comments to explain away the death of a million people due to over-population. Some people on here could get very upset by that.
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Old 17-07-2016, 00:25
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Sounds good in Radio Times - sounds like the producers have picked people who will do their best to get along and make productive use of their time.
Just wondering if that Walter Presents jackass will stick this on All 4 only as well.
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Old 17-07-2016, 01:19
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Just wondering if that Walter Presents jackass will stick this on All 4 only as well.
Well it's not a foreign language drama, so...?
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Old 17-07-2016, 09:41
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Thanks for the history lesson, just a small word of advice, best not to make sweeping comments to explain away the death of a million people due to over-population. Some people on here could get very upset by that.
Just pointing out that it is more complex than the simplistic version that some people think.
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Old 17-07-2016, 12:34
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the more I read about Eden, the more I'm looking forward to it.

On land reform, the following are quite shocking stats

432 individuals own half the private land in Scotland
10% of Scotland is owned by 16 individuals or groups

I thought Lesley Riddoch's 'Blossom' was a really good read on this subject.
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Old 17-07-2016, 13:28
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the more I read about Eden, the more I'm looking forward to it.

On land reform, the following are quite shocking stats

432 individuals own half the private land in Scotland
10% of Scotland is owned by 16 individuals or groups

I thought Lesley Riddoch's 'Blossom' was a really good read on this subject.
Much of the land in Scotland is very unproductive (if productive at all) so there are large areas of land that are just mountains that is not much use for anything except a catchment area for the big hydro-electric schemes or things like grouse shooting which provides work in many remote areas despite the SNP making all sorts of threats about what they plan to do to the estates. The other big user of these areas is forestry which is something that can only really be done on a large scale because it needs a big investment. There have been community buyouts in some places which have had varying degrees of success and needed massive subsidies from taxpayers.

I presume the 16 individuals and groups include people like Forestry Commission, SNH, MOD and other government organisations.
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Old 17-07-2016, 13:32
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This seems like our version of Alone, its on the History channel at the moment, 10 people on Vancouver Island surviving in the wild for as long as they can, apparently they are willing to stay for as long as a year , i'm enjoying it so i'll be interested to watch Eden.
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Old 17-07-2016, 14:43
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This seems like our version of Alone, its on the History channel at the moment, 10 people on Vancouver Island surviving in the wild for as long as they can, apparently they are willing to stay for as long as a year , i'm enjoying it so i'll be interested to watch Eden.
that sounds good - do the contestants not have any contact with each other? I'd last about half a day if I had to rely on myself for food and shelter.
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Old 17-07-2016, 18:26
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that sounds good - do the contestants not have any contact with each other? I'd last about half a day if I had to rely on myself for food and shelter.
No they have no contact , they are placed about 5 miles plus apart, i suppose there is nothing to stop them from exploring , but it looks like a tough place to walk 5 miles.

3 have dropped out already , a woman cut her hand on an axe , a woman had an moment when a bear came to her camp and she didnt like it , and another guy left after a couple of days so they all left. 7 people remain.

All the contestants have basic survival skills , but some are better than others, one bloke has made a basic kitchen , he said he gets bored easily
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