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Just beginning to know vaguely who is who . By Autumn I wont care
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It's a shame it's all centred on just a few characters, there seems to be a lot of other people in the background who we know nothing about.
Those trying to build an actual wooden shelter are seen as rebels, abandoning the majority!! Why are they not ALL trying to build stronger shelters? And what's happened to these other 'winter shelters'? They are barely being shown - how are they being built, what's being used? The group spent a couple of hours cutting down trees together, then congratulated themselves by spending even more time playing on the beach! The whole Tara thing was so pointless, she should never have been there, yet took up a huge amount of air time. Is it really even a debate whether a massage parlour is good use of essential resources?!? Even the haggis they made with the 'left over' part of the sheep, the details of how they prepared it was barely shown, compared with all the snippets of bitching they keep concentrating on, they vaguely said 'we put all this stuff together and boiled it'. We didn't even see if anyone liked it, there was just a "your doing Scotland proud" yet as a participants, this kind of new food would be really important. I don't know, maybe it's because what we see so general, but it feels like we're spying on a group of people and just catching the odd conversation. They really need to improve the way it's filmed, possibly having a crew on the island thats not part of the experiment. It might seem intrusive, but at the moment the program is not working. In my humble opinion. Basically, I just wanted a completely different program.
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Yeah, there's very little details on the more 'survival-y' things that they are doing. Probably a lot of stuff not even being mentioned. I'd like to see more of that side of things.
The social side is pretty important too though, building a viable community is going to be the real struggle. It's not like they are really in a full-on survival situation as they were given ample supplies and know that help is very close if there is an emergency. Plus anyone can walk out any time they want. Tara did indeed come across as a lazy waste of space and her passive-aggressive leaving 'speech' didn't paint a good picture of her, however it did seem like she was bullied out by a clique of self appointed 'useful people' who appear to have an agenda to get rid of anyone that they deem less worthy. That's really toxic and the whole community building thing will clearly fail miserably if that is allowed to continue. As for the 'gamekeeper', has he shot/caught any wild food yet? He seems to be even more useless than the fisherman (who tbf looks like he might come good next time we see them, from the preview). He seems to spend more time moping about the fact that the shepherdess isn't interested in him and is getting it on with the plumber, than he does actually doing his job. |
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Yeah, there's very little details on the more 'survival-y' things that they are doing. Probably a lot of stuff not even being mentioned. I'd like to see more of that side of things.
The social side is pretty important too though, building a viable community is going to be the real struggle. It's not like they are really in a full-on survival situation as they were given ample supplies and know that help is very close if there is an emergency. Plus anyone can walk out any time they want. Tara did indeed come across as a lazy waste of space and her passive-aggressive leaving 'speech' didn't paint a good picture of her, however it did seem like she was bullied out by a clique of self appointed 'useful people' who appear to have an agenda to get rid of anyone that they deem less worthy. That's really toxic and the whole community building thing will clearly fail miserably if that is allowed to continue. As for the 'gamekeeper', has he shot/caught any wild food yet? He seems to be even more useless than the fisherman (who tbf looks like he might come good next time we see them, from the preview). He seems to spend more time moping about the fact that the shepherdess isn't interested in him and is getting it on with the plumber, than he does actually doing his job. Raphael said that Tara had no 'give', i.e. was not flexible. So, she clearly dug her heels in and wouldn't do her share of the work which is why the others may come across as bullies. Bullying is a rather aggressive word for it though - I think it was more ineffective nagging. Tara has done herself no favours by revealing her stubbornness and lack of respect for the group, i.e. whoever saw this programme (or have heard about it) is unlikely to hire her as a life coach. |
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I think many viewers would have liked to have learnt more about the survival skills needed, i.e. be given more details, so it is very disappointing in that aspect so far.
Raphael said that Tara had no 'give', i.e. was not flexible. So, she clearly dug her heels in and wouldn't do her share of the work which is why the others may come across as bullies. Bullying is a rather aggressive word for it though - I think it was more ineffective nagging. Tara has done herself no favours by revealing her stubbornness and lack of respect for the group, i.e. whoever saw this programme (or have heard about it) is unlikely to hire her as a life coach. The trouble with reality shows is that most of them are heavily edited to create narratives so it's tricky to figure out what is actually going on. However it did seem that Tara was point blank refusing to do any sort of real work to support the community but it did also seem that there is an organised campaign afoot to push people out. Also - another dead livestock animal (two, if you count the fact that the ewe was pregnant). They really need to do a better job of looking after the animals. If the sheep are lambing then they need to be brought to a safe area unless they are a really hardy mountain breed, which I don't think these ones are. Plus there are still farm animals (goats and chickens) walking around the camp too, not in an enclosure. Haven't they learned their lesson from the dead goat? |
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Tara has done herself no favours by revealing her stubbornness and lack of respect for the group, i.e. whoever saw this programme (or have heard about it) is unlikely to hire her as a life coach.
Doubt I'm the only one to have thought from the outset that some of them must have applied for it as an opportunity to bolster a CV, like a gap year for the marginally older.
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If i never see that bellned Tom again it'll be too soon.
Such a bunch of unlikable people and as many others have said, bar a few, I have no idea who any of them are. I could only name Tom (said bellend), Anton (hero), Raph (lovely), and Glenn (ok). the rest just blur into one and none of the women seem to do much. |
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If i never see that bellned Tom again it'll be too soon.
Such a bunch of unlikable people and as many others have said, bar a few, I have no idea who any of them are. I could only name Tom (said bellend), Anton (hero), Raph (lovely), and Glenn (ok). the rest just blur into one and none of the women seem to do much. |
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I didn't realise until I just read some of the pre start PR that there are 5 or 6 embedded crew as part of the 23 so there's less characters than we think.
There an interesting article from last year calling for the volunteers: www independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/eden-channel-4-reality-series-seeks-volunteers-to-build-their-own-utopia-a6726566.html It has a very political angle, it seems the 'society' bit was more the focus than the 'survival', which would explain, to an extent, how the program has turned out. |
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There is very little survival to it, now I think of it, the herd counts: 38 hens, 24 sheep, 14 goats and 4 pigs. That is nearly enough food to last twenty two people for twelve months with just a modest amount of vegetables grown. Just as well since the "fisherman" and "gamekeeper" can't catch so much as a rabbit, sardine or even a girlfriend between them, clueless hobbyists.
The producers set them up very comfortably, the only real challenge was building adequate winter dwellings, which they seem to be bone idle and inept in doing, despite poor Raphael's best efforts. |
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I am laughing at the fisherman who cant catch fish .!!! As kids we clambered around rocks with a piece of twine and bait picked off the rocks and pools and caught crabs by the dozen .We gathered periwinkles by the bucket full too . They never even bothered to look in the rock pools where bait swims and crawls !!
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I am laughing at the fisherman who cant catch fish .!!
This Eden. This is the New Way. This is the Fresh Start. They have rejected Capitalism and the Old Ways. No wild life will be harmed, shelters are not a priority, no one needs to do work they don't like and everyone will survive by being nice, respectful and at one with nature. Apart from the bitching, bullying, threats of violence, macho behaviour, backstabbing, chocolate snacks, accidental death of live stock, massage parlour... I think they are well on the way to creating a wonderful Eden.
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That's an old fashioned point of view, they just don't want to harm any fish.
This Eden. This is the New Way. This is the Fresh Start. They have rejected Capitalism and the Old Ways. No wild life will be harmed, shelters are not a priority, no one needs to do work they don't like and everyone will survive by being nice, respectful and at one with nature. Apart from the bitching, bullying, threats of violence, macho behaviour, backstabbing, chocolate snacks, accidental death of live stock, massage parlour... I think they are well on the way to creating a wonderful Eden. ![]() What this brings to mind is that harmony takes a certain measure of maturity, personal growth/development and this was not factored into the equation either with Donovan's aspiration or here with Eden. When people still have significant issues that they have not resolved in their character, this will play out in interactions as can be seen. |
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What this brings to mind is that harmony takes a certain measure of maturity, personal growth/development and this was not factored into the equation either with Donovan's aspiration or here with Eden. When people still have significant issues that they have not resolved in their character, this will play out in interactions as can be seen.
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That's an old fashioned point of view, they just don't want to harm any fish.
This Eden. This is the New Way. This is the Fresh Start. They have rejected Capitalism and the Old Ways. No wild life will be harmed, shelters are not a priority, no one needs to do work they don't like and everyone will survive by being nice, respectful and at one with nature. Apart from the bitching, bullying, threats of violence, macho behaviour, backstabbing, chocolate snacks, accidental death of live stock, massage parlour... I think they are well on the way to creating a wonderful Eden. ![]() |
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Why has it stopped next week? I thought it went on for longer than that?
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Why has it stopped next week? I thought it went on for longer than that?
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The 'experiment' is still happening right now, but for some reason they're just showing four episode in this first series, it will return later in the year ( I presume!). I don't know if that was the plan or if they feel there's not enough interesting material at the moment to show more episodes...?
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yep, and of course they have all escaped / rejected responsibilities they had before - which in itself isn't a bad thing, everyone wants that at some point - but it means they are all being somewhat selfish, they each want a life THEY came looking for, not some else's. They each arrived with an stronger than average view on how things should be and as this isn't really a 'life or death' situation (they can leave anytime) there isn't the real need to compromise and co-operate. It’s more of “I won’t let others spoil my experience” type of thing... but I guess that's inevitable unless we have the ultimate Hunger Games!
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Good point, there is no sense of urgency or desperation as they can all just walk out on this social experiment at anytime. Very difficult to replicate real survival situations for that reason, but there is definitely a "Y" generation attitude of totally selfish behaviour and individualism that is bordering on sociopath-like interactions from some.
The root of the problem is that you will always get lazy sods who see nothing wrong in living off the hard work of others. This will inevitably lead to tensions. I do think that this crowd have a remarkably poor set of priorities though and really don't seem to understand how things (in general) work. That's really a reflection of how society is getting more and more removed from reality. I bet if you could take a cross section of people from about 100 years ago and put them on the show, they'd be thriving. |
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I don't know if that was the plan or if they feel there's not enough interesting material at the moment to show more episodes...?
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.....maybe they read this thread!
![]() "These bunch of #$@&%! don't know what the ☠@✴# they're talking about!!!" I'd love to see a behinds the scene of how a program like this is put together. The interviews of potential volunteers, are the people filming on site proffessional camera men(people) or just volunteers with cameras. How they decided what resources to give them, how much do they get paid (they must get something) what advice or training do they get about things like killing / eating / storing food. If there's a bad accident, how fast can they get medical help - how isolated are they? And most of all, how they physically go through all the footage and decide what to show, is it a large team, do they argue or is it down to one person. Do they do it everyday, or every few weeks... as you can tell, I've no idea what the ☠@✴# I'm talking about!
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I'd love to see a behinds the scene of how a program like this is put together. The interviews of potential volunteers, are the people filming on site proffessional camera men(people) or just volunteers with cameras. How they decided what resources to give them, how much do they get paid (they must get something) what advice or training do they get about things like killing / eating / storing food. If there's a bad accident, how fast can they get medical help - how isolated are they? And most of all, how they physically go through all the footage and decide what to show, is it a large team, do they argue or is it down to one person. Do they do it everyday, or every few weeks...
as you can tell, I've no idea what the ☠@✴# I'm talking about! ![]() |
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Well clearly you are really interested in how it is all handled - me too actually! Since so many here are disappointed, knowing this info would shed light on why we were not given a better programme. An opportunity wasted for the most part!
It would be far more interesting to watch how they deal with the lesser able for example and how alpha males take over the lead in every group . How women deal with the group dynamics etc etc But this show is only a glorified BB on an island . Edited for ratings and younger audience in my opinion |
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Can you imagine what they'd be saying?
"These bunch of #$@&%! don't know what the ☠@✴# they're talking about!!!" I'd love to see a behinds the scene of how a program like this is put together. The interviews of potential volunteers, are the people filming on site proffessional camera men(people) or just volunteers with cameras. How they decided what resources to give them, how much do they get paid (they must get something) what advice or training do they get about things like killing / eating / storing food. If there's a bad accident, how fast can they get medical help - how isolated are they? And most of all, how they physically go through all the footage and decide what to show, is it a large team, do they argue or is it down to one person. Do they do it everyday, or every few weeks... as you can tell, I've no idea what the ☠@✴# I'm talking about! ![]() Any serious accident down Ardnamurchan seems to usually have the Air Ambulance sent out. I would have thought the film crew would always have at least one qualified first aider on (or near) site but perhaps not a paramedic though there are companies that do provide full cover for bigger film locations. |
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I agree It is an opportunity wasted . I would love to see it if done properly . A mix of ages and abilities , basic food for a few weeks only etc
It would be far more interesting to watch how they deal with the lesser able for example and how alpha males take over the lead in every group . How women deal with the group dynamics etc etc But this show is only a glorified BB on an island . Edited for ratings and younger audience in my opinion |
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Don't they use a lot of remote cameras - there was mention of a lot of cabling around the area and you don't need cabling for people with portable cameras.
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