Why did Mariah's music go down hill

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woofwoof77

08-07-2016

In my opinion her music went down hill after Glitter. Although Glitter gets bad reviews , i thought it was quite good at the time.
Charmbracelet was awful. And so were the ones that followed. I just couldn't get into them. Maybe my taste in music had changed?
I remember listening to her first 4 albums on repeat everday in the early 90s.

Anyone else think her best music was in the early years?

Edward Skylover

08-07-2016

No, Emancipation of Mimi 2005 gave us the excellent We Belong Together, E=MC2 was fantastic, it gave us Migrate, I stay in love, Side Effects etc, then Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel gave us Obsessed and Angels Cry.

I do think she became a lot more hip/hop later in her career which might explain why you prefer her earlier stuff. I find a lot of her earlier stuff to be more generic-ballad type material. However, there are a few gems.

Mariah is amazing.

Thorney

08-07-2016

I thought she went rapidly downhill after 'Vision Of Love'

drakhen

08-07-2016

Mariah has been very inconsistent post-Glitter. She has produced some of her best music with some of the tracks from Emancipation and E=MC2, but also some sub-par material. Charmbracelet and Me I Am Mariah were disappointing. There is quite a bit of filler on her earlier albums. I consider Daydream to be her first real attempt to make a cohesive album, but she only really nailed it with Butterfly.

Rich Tea.

08-07-2016

It never climbed uphill in the first place.

Rich Tea.

09-07-2016

It never climbed uphill in the first place.

Master Ozzy

09-07-2016

Her music never went downhill. It's that she was absolutely huge in her prime and for someone that big you always go up and up and aim for bigger, but she's pretty much achieved everything and has nothing to prove anymore. She's got her kids, she's still got a huge fanbase, and she releases the type of music she wants to release without having to worry too much anymore about having to confirm to a certain genre. She does what she wants and releases the music she wants.

Hollie_Louise

09-07-2016

Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“Her music never went downhill. It's that she was absolutely huge in her prime and for someone that big you always go up and up and aim for bigger, but she's pretty much achieved everything and has nothing to prove anymore. She's got her kids, she's still got a huge fanbase, and she releases the type of music she wants to release without having to worry too much anymore about having to confirm to a certain genre. She does what she wants and releases the music she wants.”

Agree with all of this. She's achieved so much that now she's just making what she wants to make.

I don't agree she's gone downhill, I think that Me. I Am Mariah was a strong album and I even like Charmbracelet and Glitter. I've said before here I think songs like Never Too Far and Through The Rain would probably have been Hot 100 #1s had they been released 5 years earlier.

She's in the studio again now and im looking forward to hearing what she will come out with next. I also think she's in a better place vocally than she has been for years (the last Vegas run looks great from what I've seen).

She is much more hip hop than ballad these days which I can see will alienate those who loved classic Mariah but she's been playing with that sound for two decades now so shouldn't come as too much of a shock to fans.

Soapfan678

09-07-2016

I don't think her music went downhill, she just changed style.

AdzPower

09-07-2016

She had to change style to fit the times, her 90's music was pretty much 80% ballads, which aren't that popular to do anymore.

unique

09-07-2016

Originally Posted by woofwoof77:
“In my opinion her music went down hill after Glitter. Although Glitter gets bad reviews , i thought it was quite good at the time.
Charmbracelet was awful. And so were the ones that followed. I just couldn't get into them. Maybe my taste in music had changed?
I remember listening to her first 4 albums on repeat everday in the early 90s.

Anyone else think her best music was in the early years?”

artists like her are dependant on other people to write and produce their music. one reason artists like that have a decline is because the more popular producers get so many requests for work they can pick and choose who they want, and with artists like that who are so reliant on image they will usually pick the new hot young talent who will look good in videos and bee seen and played more, which in turn makes more money. sometimes older artists can be seen as less credible and sometimes the latest and hottest producers will avoid them so they don't end up like todd terry churning out a template remix of any song they are given, no matter how uncool the artist may be, they just take the money and run. but in the end they lose credibility and the work starts to dry up

if you had a hit song would you give it to mariah or to rihanna or whoever was the hit flavour of the year?

Saturn

09-07-2016

Originally Posted by unique:
“artists like her are dependant on other people to write and produce their music. one reason artists like that have a decline is because the more popular producers get so many requests for work they can pick and choose who they want, and with artists like that who are so reliant on image they will usually pick the new hot young talent who will look good in videos and bee seen and played more, which in turn makes more money. sometimes older artists can be seen as less credible and sometimes the latest and hottest producers will avoid them so they don't end up like todd terry churning out a template remix of any song they are given, no matter how uncool the artist may be, they just take the money and run. but in the end they lose credibility and the work starts to dry up

if you had a hit song would you give it to mariah or to rihanna or whoever was the hit flavour of the year?”

Mariah has always written or co-written her own music. Are you thinking of Celine Dion?

Rich Tea.

09-07-2016

Rather unusually for a major recording artist, her best record is actually her Christmas single.

drakhen

09-07-2016

I agree with most of this, but I do think post-Glitter there have been times when Mariah has tried to conform (I consider Charmbracelet to be a good example) and those happen to be the occasions when the quality of her music has suffered. I completely agree though that she doesn't have anything else to prove.

JohnStannard

09-07-2016

ive no idea why it went down hill. I like Mariah's music

Hollie_Louise

09-07-2016

Originally Posted by unique:
“artists like her are dependant on other people to write and produce their music.”

Just one look at her credits and interviews with people who have worked with her would show you how untrue that is.

Most of her work is her plus one other person. Where she has more people, its usually due to a sample because she actually credits people properly.

That_Guy

09-07-2016

Lead the Way is one of my favourite songs by Mariah. That vocal is insane. I still love her, though I'm not keen on her recent shenanigans.

little-monster

10-07-2016

I think it's because she never felt pressured to change her style to fit in with everyone else

Mariah was probs one of the few artists who didn't jump on the dance pop bandwagon. She stuck to the music that she likes to release which is primarily in the R&B genre. It may not of allowed her to have hit after hit and earn her a relatively high selling album. But I think she deserves respect for maintaining her integrity. But she's also now in a position where she doesn't need to try as much now. She's made her mark in the business.

Makson

10-07-2016

Melisma became old-fashioned....same story with Xtina and Leona

Michael_Keates

10-07-2016

In my opinion it started to go wrong around the Glitter era, with the exemption of The Emancipation of Mimi album. The rest of her follow ups haven't really impressed me. Her earlier stuff is just faultless.

unique

11-07-2016

Originally Posted by Saturn:
“Mariah has always written or co-written her own music.

Are you thinking of Celine Dion?”

no.

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Just one look at her credits and interviews with people who have worked with her would show you how untrue that is.

Most of her work is her plus one other person. Where she has more people, its usually due to a sample because she actually credits people properly.”

unique

11-07-2016

Originally Posted by Michael_Keates:
“In my opinion it started to go wrong around the Glitter era, with the exemption of The Emancipation of Mimi album. The rest of her follow ups haven't really impressed me. Her earlier stuff is just faultless.”

i thought glitter was a great album, i personally loved the movie although it was critically slated and came out at the worst time ever, and the album suffered from the reaction to the movie

mariah doing covers of classic disco/dance hits with jam and lewis producing made a great match

Super_Furry

11-07-2016

She started at the bottom of the hill and has stayed there.

Hollie_Louise

11-07-2016

Originally Posted by unique:
“no.

if you actually bother to follow your own advice and read her credits you would see how true it was and how wrong you are

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me._I_...sive_Chanteuse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merry_Christmas_II_You

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoir...mperfect_Angel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%3DMC...ah_Carey_album)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emancipation_of_Mimi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charmbracelet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitter_(soundtrack)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbo...ah_Carey_album)

just look at all the writers and producers there actually are. check the following link for more

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariah...ms_discography”

I notice you didn't post the links to her early work which the vast majority is Mariah on her own or with 1 other person. And the albums that you've chosen all feature samples and as a result, because Mariah credits her samples correctly, they obviously feature more writers.

Spoiler

Here are the credits, from Wikipedia like you have used, for the albums that you haven't linked to. It is entirely wrong to say Mariah is reliant on producers to make music for her.

unique

11-07-2016

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“I notice you didn't post the links to her early work which the vast majority is Mariah on her own or with 1 other person. And the albums that you've chosen all feature samples and as a result, because Mariah credits her samples correctly, they obviously feature more writers.

Spoiler

Mariah Carey
Mariah + 1 - 11/11

Emotions
Mariah + 0 - 7/10
Mariah + 1 - 2/10
Mariah + 2 - 1/10

Music Box
Mariah + 0 - 7/11
Mariah + 1 - 2/11
Mariah + 2 - 1/11
Cover - 1/11

Merry Christmas
Mariah + 1 - 3/10
Cover - 7/10

Daydream
Mariah + 0 - 6/12
Mariah + 1 - 1/12
Mariah + 2 - 1/12
Mariah + 5 - 3/12
---> 'Fantasy' and 'Daydream Interlude' gives credit to Frantz, Weymouth, Belew and Stanley due to the sample used in both songs +1 other songwriter.
---> 'One Sweet Day' gives featured artists Boyz II Men credits +1 other songwriter.
Cover - 1/12

Butterfly
Mariah + 0 - 6/12
Mariah + 3 - 3/12
---> 'Breakdown' gives featured artists Bone Thugs-n-Harmony credits +1 other songwriter
---> 'Fly Away (Butterfly Reprise)' gives credit to John and Taupin due to the sample used +1 other songwriter
Mariah + 5 - 1/12
---> 'The Roof' gives credit to Johnson and Muchita due to the sample used +3 other songwriters
Mariah + 7 - 1/12
---> 'Honey' gives credit to featured artists P Diddy and Q-Tip. Also gives credit to 4 others for the sample used +1 other songwriter
Cover - 1/12

Here are the credits, from Wikipedia like you have used, for the albums that you haven't linked to. It is entirely wrong to say Mariah is reliant on producers to make music for her.”

I didn't say that though

i took a period of the last 20 years as an example to prove what you said was incorrect

let's let the facts speak for themselves...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter...ah_Carey_album)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daydre...ah_Carey_album)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merry_...ah_Carey_album)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_...ah_Carey_album)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotio...ah_Carey_album)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariah_Carey_(album)

now tell me how long it actually takes you to add up how many writers were on her albums, and then how long it takes you to add up how many producers are on her albums. there are so many i can't be bothered to spend the time adding them up to demonstrate just how wrong you are. there's LOADS of them

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