Have to agree with most of this

I agree Tominxster. Another one who doesn't have their blinders on

I agree with you. Good post.

I feel sorry for the poster also. Some comments were out of order.

Well said Ed. Things are being attributed to Jason that as far as I can see are entirely made up....head about to explode with rage, (as an example)...for Goodness sake.

Moreover, if you, I or others don't agree with this we are lectured on how blind we must be.

Dreadfully sanctiminious

It happens, Charlie has her fans and believe her, it isn't many but let them see what they see.

And who disses a dog on national TV, even away from TV is not right, awful women I can see her actually kicking animals.

Well said Ed. Things are being attributed to Jason that as far as I can see are entirely made up....head about to explode with anger (as an example)...for Goodness sake.

Moreover, if you, I or others don't agree with this we are lectured on how blind we must be.

Dreadfully sanctiminious.

Good post!

Great post!

As in sanctimonious

I find that laughable given that the majority of people that are saying things about Jason actually understand that its both of them involved in an abusive relationship. That Jason is a 'player' in this too.

They are both as bad as each other and I for one have taken no pleasure in watching a destructive highly emotional abusive relationship take place on TV. Shame on BB for allowing this to continue and use this as a way to evoke debating like this across the forums.

I think its actually quite sad how many people have been black and white about this and have decided that Charlie = bad, Jason = good

Absolutely this! This is the one bugbear of this forum - people see what they want to see, whether it happens or not and as I said earlier (on this thread or another one) it is an insult to people's intelligence.

Another good post.

Charle has fans ? Who ? Where ? they were a bit thin on the ground at her eviction.

It's not about disagreeing or agreeing. I don't need people to agree with me to feel secure in my stance on things, but this is a debate and I'm pointing out that blindness comes into play a lot with these situations, because of perception differences. It's the same with race issues. There are blindspots and things that white people don't get, yet if you point that out suddenly you are the one who is in the wrong. To point that out is not an act of sanctimony. It's pointing out that there is one sided, black and white thinking going on, which there most certainly is.

I saw who Jason was the moment he went into the diary room to change his nomination of Laura, and since that moment his true character has been revealing itself little by little. No one is saying that Charlie is not at fault in the situation too. But Jason is FAR from the loveable teddy that people seem to have romantisized him as. Far from it.

True.

Not in a million years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Precisely!!!

Charlie undoubtedly has her faults, not least of all her absurd and laughable jealousy for a dog, but at least those who have some sympathy for the idiot are prepared to acknowledge those faults. But if Jasons fans are to be believed the lad is nothing short of a saint.

Totally agree. And with the race issue too. My family have been an ongoing testament of that. Some people look and treat me in one way as a white female. When they realise that my surname is 'foreign' and my children are mix race it sometimes changes very quickly. Very very sad.
But thats another debate but another sad testament to how some people perceive and look at things.

I said 'unnecessarily angry' and batting off the criticism by suggesting it's normal to react like or it's tolerable anyway just draws attention to the fact he is being let off with something others in this House and the past HMs would never have been. No it is not normal or acceptable to react like that, it is the norm to take it on the chin and those that don't have mostly always been labelled arrogant and very much criticised on here.

Just a thought but imagine if Charlie had acted like that when she was nominated? Can you imagine the backlash then?


I have never heard anyone call Jason a snake. Andy seems to have cornered the market for that particular abusive term. As for Jason he has been called arrogant and it's mentioned that he is barely hiding his temper and that he aided and abetted Charlie's lunacy with his on / off behaviour and that he loved and used the drama for his poor me act both in and out of the House. For me I'd also add in that his desperation to win is palpable and that is always a bad look for a HM.

Piper, I've read your posts with interest and of course this forum is for debating. However, I feel, with this subject, it's all getting a tad too personal and comments, like me being called out on being rude , is downright unkind , untrue and certainly not debating.

I feel many opinions are becoming like a lecture and yes, I stand by it, sanctiminious.

Anyhow, thanks for responding to me. You have your ideas, which judging by the comments are shared by many.

b.t.w...I don't think Jason is fault free, none of us are and I've never thought he was like a teddy bear either.

Exactly.

I don't see that at all, but isn't this what the forum is all about. Expressing what we feel we see on the show.

My friend has recently had a dual-heritage child, with a black man. She is white, and she is JUST now coming to grips with the depth of the racism that actually goes on within society, which prior to she had been almost completely ignorant of. There most definitely are perception differences, and not just with race but with any situation we observe. Some people simply have a higher capacity to perceive the truth of a situation due to the experiences that they have had in the past, and a whole host of other factors. But I think it is always dangerous to put people in these boxes and then critique or not critique them based upon those labels. A bird's eye, diplomatic, view is always a valuable thing to have. But it's easier and quicker to just box people, and then scan their behavior - as well as the environment - for things that fit in with those views.

But let's not go any deeper into the race thing. Lol. I've made enough posts about race on here to last me twelve lifetimes

To get back on topic, even Andy, Jason's ally in the house, is questioning Jason's motives and behavior.

Oh my good God! Have you actually bothered to read the valid points in this thread, doesn't look like it. As usual just waded in with your one sided view based on your personal experience.

I hope you are never called for jury duty lol

Have to agree with you agreeing with me lol! Of course there are people similar to what has been described in this thread and often they are linked to dom violence, be it physical or mental, however, having 'a head about to explode with anger' is not a crime in real life as far as I know. Saying sorry to the group is apparently also wrong because the interpreter interprets it as sucking up as if they know him personally.
I would have thought he would be given props for quelling his anger unlike a lot of housemates. He's a big dude, imagine the slagging off he'd get if he let it rip.

I prefer to judge people by what they have actually done - not my interpretation of what I think they could have done when I wasn't there or what I have decided they are thinking.
I am judging Charlie by her own actions as seen on screen.
Charlie is a grown ass woman who is accountable for her own actions whether she chooses to think with her heart or her head, the repercussions of that is her problem.