Helen used to shine something like the opposite of sunshine from within.

Like some dark swampy bitter horrible smelling charisma

Higher state, Helen had the same ilness as I have mentioned here.

If she began to consider others, she'd feel warmth from what she radiates.

Others are the self. Discovery of this opens up doors of sunshine as you so put it. To use your name, this is the 'higher state'. She could easily transform herself overnight from a very simple change. There is so much potential.

When I see the name calling and malice, it shows the pain she's feeling, so it's easy to empathise before jumping into attack of her. It is that which is the vicious cycle of fire breeding fire and can be nipped in the bud with fortitude.

I apologise, I havent read the whole thread. what is this illness?

If its a mental illness she shouldnt have been in there.

I remember someone once describing Helen as scum from the anus of Universe on here once.

It's a bit much, but i couldn't help but laugh at how extreme it was

That is okay. It is just a few posts back in which I talked about the ilness of the inside holding malice (out of unhappiness / insecurity) projecting it outwards onto others by way of insult.

When a person commits to this, they eat away at their essence.

Yes, it is certainly a form of mental ilness.

[quote=2la;83143804]It may be on par with last years farce when they changed the voting for their chosen one last year, can't remember her name but she pretended to be 'just a normal girl' She was a horror.[/QUOTE]


No she was not - and she was as a "normal" as any person who is daft enought to go an BB.

Last year was awful. It started off well, but they ruined it with the 4 in 4 out thing (why not just put 4 new HMs in to shake things up?) and then the "task" where they put Helen, Nikki, Aisleyne and Brian in which went on for too long and was uncomfortable to watch. Helen is a nasty piece of work.


Do you mean the (undeserved) winner Chloe?
She was an unpleasant girl, but sadly it went unnoticed by many viewers.

Blimey, I think I've read it all now

Beneath all the (imvho ofc ) codswallop you're prattling here, do you even know what a 'name' is?

If so please go and start a new thread (quite possibly on a different forum on here, this doesn't seem to be BB related at all beyond the thinnest of veneers ), you are way off-topic here, thanks

Back on topic!

And with a post I totally agree with too (any other opinions that differ are more than welcome, but please keep this at least on topic out of common courtesy, thanks )

BB is decided by the public or should be.
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Anything that goes against this fundamental principle just seems rigged and distasteful to its voting public.

Basically BB want hms in the final that wouldn't make it if the public decided, its totally manipulated to its core now.

Take the Andys immunity pass, are they really that arrogant that they don't think the public will be aware of which hms would nom who, the two groups were clearly orchestrated in a way in which it was inevitable Andy and Jayne would go up.

I think each eviction should be solely down to the public vote with all hms up, we just get to pick between the hms the housemates put up, usually the ones that stand out and carry the programme.

No. In my view the lowest points were

1. Quadruple eviction in bb11 (ridiculous to this day)
2. 4 in 4 out from last year
3. A week called armageddon week resulting in only marlon evicted
4. Giving half of prize money to someone other than the winner (connor, eugene)

Makosi being saved live overwhelmingly against a much weaker hm by the rest of the hms.....so cruel.

Great to get back on topic, many thankies for the considered replies

I'd fogotten Eugene (that was wrong too imo)! But at least, didn't he come second in the end (or at least top three)?

Marlon was one of the biggest lambs to slaughter ever for me, talk about fodder

The Connor K50£ incident might have been unorthodox in terms of BB traditional operating principles but it was genuinely dramatic and to be fair it wasnt the lame ,transparent production team manipulation or just hms choosing to evict who they dont like as we get nowadays - it was gladiatorial mind games of the best kind.

So after the Chelsea debacle we've had:

A second episode where HMs have to be rude to each other simply so that they can find out what rude things 'the public' have said about them, a manipulated immunity from BB, with the rest of the show filled with nominations chat (as per usual).

And now we can expect:

An even shiter version of the hugely unpopular Conor moment.

I don't think this poll was broad enough in scope or could possibly anticipate how dreadful this could possibly ever become

Bit to deep for me that post I am afraid.

Is she going to work for British Gas ?

It might be that you are not ready for the acceptance, but will come with time.

It is just a case of lots of time or less. (less hopefully).

Not very likely because I shall not be casting around to try to justify her appalling behaviour

I felt sorry for Marlon at the time. He got ripped to shreds just for choosing to save himself from the public vote and then was voted out by his housemates.

It also show's how bad the manipulation of the edit is, him and Jale got on really well apparently, but we never seen any of that.

Well I think two days in the poll is is out of date in the sense that BB's changed what the week was all about.

I think we're looking at more of a 'is this the worst week of BB overhyped twists ever?' kind of thread (though it's hard to try to fit it all in one succinct title ). So I'll just repost the results as of tuesday 11am again (from page 2) as a snapshot of how people felt at the time before the next rumours started really coming in and last night's travesty part 2 was shown.

Until someone posts a new poll at the end of the week (happy to do it if no-one else does - thread title suggestions would be very welcome and helpful, thanks!).

Until then please feel free to use this thread to discuss just how bad this week is/becomes (alas I expect much worse) if you wish

Mind you there have been a lot more votes (thanks guys ) and the pattern very strongly remains the same - only a slight swing away to the other camps from 'yes' (4.77% of votes as of now). So, if you find value to vote in the poll still and haven't done so already of course feel free

Yes - 173 votes 70.33%
No - 36 votes 14.63%
Possibly - it's up there (please explain) - 37 votes 15.04%

No. And next year if civilian BB returns there'll be another "Is this the lowest BB has sunk?" poll.

Quite possibly, this is the third year on the trot for me it's sunk lower than before. 14 was fine, 16 was fine until they panicked and until 4 in 4 out had been promising to be quite possibly the best ever CH5 series that I'd seen. What's the lowest the show has ever sunk for you?

BB16 was the absolute rock bottom of any series I've seen. The Timewarp era in particular sticks out.

I've been really enjoying this series and I'm actually liking the excitement of this week.