BBC to broadcast extra Olympic streams on COM8

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ney

28-07-2016

Originally Posted by speckly:
“I'm getting the BBC Olympic channel on 114.

They're showing some London 2012 footage. Which is nice.

Not so nice is the bright white plasma/OLED destroying DOG upper right, which oddly extends into the overscan area.

I hope they get rid of that for the Brazil Olympics. I'm not going to risk permanently damaging my screen to watch it.”

I have never really been a big fan of Plasma TVs.
All seems fine on my two Samsung LED full HD smart TVs. One of which also has a BT Youview box connected to it for BT TV.

Darren

speckly

03-08-2016

Ok, so I contacted the BBC and they have looked into this, They have reduced the opacity of the DOG and moved it into the broadcast safe area, as per the EBU guidelines. I am really pleased with that. Thank you, BBC!

Janet200

03-08-2016

Thanks BBC for making me drive all the way to my Grans just to retune her TV on the account of some temporary crappy olympic channels.

Mark.

03-08-2016

Originally Posted by Janet200:
“Thanks BBC for making me drive all the way to my Grans just to retune her TV on the account of some temporary crappy olympic channels.”

I'm sure the BBC will, in future, consult you on whether or not to introduce temporary channels to cover major events (sporting or otherwise).

I'm equally sure that if you (or your gran) object, they will scrap their plans despite millions of others being completely in favour.

Luis Essex

03-08-2016

Originally Posted by barbeler:
“Thanks a bunch BBC. I've had to re-tune my Humax box and lose my favourites list to get BBC 4 again, then delete all those new Olympics channels. It wouldn't have been so bad, but I reorganise the original order to group all my most watched channels together.”

BBC FOUR has had no changes.
BBC FOUR HD is an Olympic channel from Friday evening.

Luis Essex

03-08-2016

Originally Posted by Janet200:
“Thanks BBC for making me drive all the way to my Grans just to retune her TV on the account of some temporary crappy olympic channels.”

Because all current non-HD channels remain the same I don't understand what you are objecting to plus BBC FOUR HD is going to be an Olympic channel.
Why did your gran's need a retune?

I have 4 active PVRs. Two are now set up for the Olympics because I want to record the Olympics from two different transmitters. But the other two I have not needed to change at all. One is set up for a full freeview transmitter and the other for a full + COM7/8. For their non-Olympic use neither requires a retune.

Colin_London

04-08-2016

To help avoid confusion, if you can receive all Muxes (inc. COM7 & 8) then you can safely delete LCN 600 and 601.

This is because 600 is identical to BBC Olympics HD on 114 (and of course you'd rather watch in HD wouldn't you!), and 608 carries the same content as 601 but has the advantage of being 24/7.

But of course deleting 601 means you'd then have to scan it back in after the end of the Olympics for usual Red Button content......

Code:

Channel				Definition	LCN	Times
BBC One HD				HD	101	Programmed - Generally 1345 - 0400 excluding the news
BBC Four HD				HD	106	1300 - 0200
BBC Olympics HD (as RB0)		HD	114	1900 - 0530
BBC RB0 (as Olympics HD)		SD	600	1900 - 0530
BBC RB1 (as RB1 24/7)			SD	601	2100 - 0530
BBC RB1 24/7 (as RB1)			SD	608	24/7
BBC RB2					SD	602	24/7
BBC RB3					SD	603	24/7
BBC RB4					SD	604	24/7
BBC RB5					SD	605	24/7
BBC RB6					SD	606	24/7
BBC RB7					SD	607	24/7

barbeler

04-08-2016

Originally Posted by Janet200:
“Thanks BBC for making me drive all the way to my Grans just to retune her TV on the account of some temporary crappy olympic channels.”

I re-tuned my dad's TV to get them for him, only to find out that he's out of luck because he can't pick up the HD channel that they come from.

speckly

04-08-2016

They were broadcasting some 2016 Olympics coverage last night.

Curiously, the Olympics itself starts before the opening ceremony

Colin_London

05-08-2016

Originally Posted by Colin_London:
“So you are saying that Arqiva just don't offer 704x576 commercially on DTT?

The SD streams average 1.5Mbps (RB1 24/7 & RB4 may even be only 1Mbps) with the HD stream averaging 4Mbps.

In comparison (and there is no comparison really) the Satellite RB SD channels are 704x576 averaging 3.5Mbps.

I think iPlayer may be the better bet somehow.....

EDIT - Obviously I forgot that DSat = MPEG2 vs. MPEG4 for DVB-T2. But still, Satellite is 704x576 vs. DTT at 544x576.”

Ah-ha - The BBC or Arqiva obviously read this thread - all the Red Button SD channels on COM8 have been increased to 704x576 to match satellite

No reason not to really seeing the spare space available on COM8.

clewsy

05-08-2016

How much spare space is still on com8?

Clearly shows how many more channels could still launch on Freeview, should they wish.

chrisy

05-08-2016

Originally Posted by clewsy:
“How much spare space is still on com8?

Clearly shows how many more channels could still launch on Freeview, should they wish.”

Just under half.
http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php...ng=en&mux=COM8

The usage appears to have gone down a smidge since upping the resolution!

Mickey_T

05-08-2016

Shame they didn't utilise the space better and launch more HD channels. The single Olympic HD channel on COM 8 is a far cry from the 8 available on Freesat.

clewsy

05-08-2016

Originally Posted by chrisy:
“Just under half.
http://en.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php...ng=en&mux=COM8

The usage appears to have gone down a smidge since upping the resolution!”

So that could be roughly 22 channels if you doubled the current mix up of HD and SD.

I bet SD only you are talking 30+ channels per multiplex. That is how far Freeview has come when potentially you could have multiplexes broadcasting so many channels - of course should reduce the cost of space and maybe make it more appealing to smaller channels to come on board.

Luis Essex

05-08-2016

Originally Posted by speckly:
“They were broadcasting some 2016 Olympics coverage last night.

Curiously, the Olympics itself starts before the opening ceremony ”

Due to the large numbers of football games required this also occurred for the London 2012 games. Also there is no guarantee that the football games will all be played in the host city.

paul_m

05-08-2016

Originally Posted by clewsy:
“So that could be roughly 22 channels if you doubled the current mix up of HD and SD.

I bet SD only you are talking 30+ channels per multiplex. That is how far Freeview has come when potentially you could have multiplexes broadcasting so many channels - of course should reduce the cost of space and maybe make it more appealing to smaller channels to come on board.”

Indeed. It's gone from 4-5 channels per multiplex in the OnDigital/early Freeview days, to 10-13 channels now, or 30+ channels on a DVB-T2 mux. That's over 7 times as many channels.

Sexbomb

06-08-2016

I thought half of these extra red button channels were going to be HD & SD, clearly not as there all SD.

kasg

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by Sexbomb:
“I thought half of these extra red button channels were going to be HD & SD, clearly not as there all SD.”

That was pure speculation, there is only one extra HD stream on LCN 114 - although according to the post by Colin_London, they are now at least full SD as opposed to 3/4 SD.

tvmad-alan

06-08-2016

what is so sad for the UK is that BBC can spend large amounts of cash on putting up many new channels on Freeview, Freesat, Virgin & Sky plus add hours to BBC 4 for sport yet they could not keep BBC 3 on air ?

BBC Remember that many people do not wish to watch sports or wish not watch it due to the many troubles that the games have like spending billions yet people do not have clean safe homes many in tin huts & safe water there.
China has human right issues
Russians have drug troubles and some human rights issues too.
and so other countries too
Also the Zita virus will be spread around the world due to the games.

BBC should keep normal shows on BBC 1 ,2 & 4 if they can put so many other channels up on air.

Billy_Value

06-08-2016

a BBC sport channel is what they should have

Marti S

06-08-2016

I have given up with the online streaming of the gymnastics, constant buffering and having to start from the beginning when it times out, very disappointed

mossy2103

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by tvmad-alan:
“what is so sad for the UK is that BBC can spend large amounts of cash on putting up many new channels on Freeview, Freesat, Virgin & Sky plus add hours to BBC 4 for sport yet they could not keep BBC 3 on air ?”

So exactly hopw much have these temporary, 3-week "channels" cost then? BTW, aren't BBC Four's additional hours coming from CBBC HD (with a temporary CBBC HD channel on one of the temporary muxes)?

Quote:
“BBC Four HD (channel 106)
The channel moves to a new frequency on the 27th July. You may need to retune to keep watching. During the Olympics, BBC Four's broadcast hours will be extended and normal programmes will be replaced by live Olympic coverage from 1pm everyday.

BBC Four HD will be available to everyone who can receive Freeview HD, including viewers with YouView and EE TV. Series links for the channel will not transfer.

BBC Four SD (channel 9) will extend broadcast hours in line with the HD version, but no retune is needed and series links aren't affected.

CBBC HD (channel 123)
This channel closes on 27th July. A temporary CBBC HD channel will appear on channel 97 for some viewers only - if you can already receive BBC News HD on channel 107, then channel 97 should be available, if not you will lose the channel until 23rd August. You may need to retune. Series links will not transfer to the temporary channel and vice versa.
On 23rd August, the temporary CBBC HD channel closes and is restored to channel 123.

CBeebies HD (channel 124)
CBeebies HD will be moved to new broadcast capacity on 27th July. Coverage of the channel remains limited to just over 70% of the UK. You may need to retune. Series links will not transfer when the channel changes frequency.

BBC Parliament (channel 131)
Update - Originally due to be removed during the Olympics. This channel will remain configured in the event of a recall, given recent political developments and international events.

BBC RB 0 (channel 600)
All Freeview viewers will be able to access Olympic coverage on this channel during the Olympics. Most viewers can already see BBC RB 0 on channel 600 and won't need to take any action to watch this service when it goes live. An HD simulcast of this channel will be available to some viewers on channel 114 from 7pm every night - see BBC Olympics HD below.

BBC RB 1 (channel 601)
All Freeview viewers can already receive this channel. However, in order to allow BBC Four SD to broadcast for longer, BBC RB 1's broadcast hours will be reduced. The channel will be live every evening from Rio and timesharing capacity with CBBC, so it will only be live during those hours CBBC isn't on-air. Some viewers will be able to watch a 24/7 version of this channel on channel 608 - see below.

BBC RB 2 and 3 (channels 602 and 603)
Currently only visible on Freeview HD receivers, these services will change frequency for the Olympics and offer 24/7 coverage. Viewers who can already receive the QVC HD channels on 111/112 will be able to access these channels. A retune may be required.

BBC RB 4-7 & RB 1 simulcast (channels 604-608)
Viewers who can already receive the QVC HD channels on 111/112 will be able to access these channels. A retune may be required. Channel 608 is a 24/7 version on channel 601.

BBC Olympics HD (channel 114)
Evenings only from 7pm. Viewers who can already receive the QVC HD channels on 111/112 will be able to access this channel. A retune may be required.”

http://www.a516digital.com/2016/07/c...eeview_22.html

Quote:
“BBC should keep normal shows on BBC 1 ,2 & 4 if they can put so many other channels up on air.”

But those additional temporary "channels" are on the temporary muxes that only have 70% coverage. So in one fell swoop you deny access to a sizeable chunk of the population.

mossy2103

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by Billy_Value:
“a BBC sport channel is what they should have”

Yeah, because the BBC has enough sport rights to ensure that such a channel is needed and is a good use of resource.

Or maybe you had not noticed that for a large part of the year, the BBC has only small parts of their schedules given over to sport, with the majority of the schedules sport-free. And for many weeks, apart from a few hours at the weekend, no sport at all.

Marti S

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“So exactly hopw much have these [b]temporary, 3-week "channels" cost then? BTW, aren't BBC Four's additional hours coming from CBBC HD (with a temporary CBBC HD channel on one of the temporary muxes)?

http://www.a516digital.com/2016/07/c...eeview_22.html

But those additional temporary "channels" are on the temporary muxes that only have 70% coverage. So in one fell swoop you deny access to a sizeable chunk of the population.”

No BBC Olympic 8 is sharing with Cbeebies, CBBC shuts down at 9pm

technologist

06-08-2016

Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“But those additional temporary "channels" are on the temporary muxes that only have 70% coverage. So in one fell swoop you deny access to a sizeable chunk of the population.”

But get 70% for less( roughly) than a tenth of the cost of getting 98.5% ..

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