So you think that there would not be an outcry from viewers and MPs if a major event such as the Olympics was only available to a limited section of households and then only if they have suitable DVB-T2 kit? Because I think that the BBC would be roundly condemned, and with some justification.

I have a BT Youview box (DTR2100). The extra steams are NOT available on the local Fenham relay, despite the fact COM7/8 are transmitted from this relay.
Since the reshuffle, I've actually lost channels.

Odd, as my understanding is that, relay or not, if you can receive COM7 and COM 8 you will receive ALL channels that are present on that respective mux. Looks like there's a box or retune issue.

But as you have a BT Youview box you can use the BBC Sport App (in the players and apps section) to watch all available live streams (and other events on catch up) in HD.

So who needs Freeview 😄

There may be ... But remember that it was the publicaly owned PSB and the BBC who supported the development if the temporary muxes...
And note the reason for this and the attitude of the then minister which saves the BBC at least £30M a year by dropping SD emission when dso2 occurs

Simple answer is they can't, these are the last Olympics with so much BBC coverage. From 2018 they will be sharing with Discovery Europe.

Seeing as the BBC have exclusive Olympic rights doesn't it make sense to broadcast as much as the coverage as they can, rather than just one Red Button channel and BBC Four?

Definitely not a tuning issue. I've tried a few times, that is after the box had automatically updated its channel list.

Made in Tyne & Wear, Kix etc are available via Pontop Pike, but not via Fenham.

I think the key as to why I don't get the 'extra streams' is that I don't get QVC HD channels.

I will however try using an indoor loop connected to my other set. The main aerial is communal, so I can't move that one.

I'll update my post when I get a chance to perform this task.


I 'tested out' the live streams during Wimbledon a while back. To be honest, I found the quality of most of those to be very poor and a bit stop / start. So not holding out for any decent quality.

I may only be on an average of 10mbps, but this is usually enough for streaming services. Amazon, Netflix and the iplayer etc all work without any issues.

Just to be clear, were you able to receive BBC4HD, BBC News HD, QVC-HD, etc before the reshuffle?

Those services are progressive download which evens out variable connection performance. Live TV on the other hand is more demanding and a 10Mbps connection may only be able to sustain a constant 1-2Mbps which is insufficient for HD. It also depends how you connect your TV to your hub. Wifi often doesn't cut it for live TV.

QVC HD is not transmitted via the Fenham relay. While BBC News HD and BBC 4 HD are.


The box is hard wired to my router, so not a wifi issue there. It is, as said, a BT youview (Hummy dtr2100) box, so designed for this. It doesn't pose an issue with many of the internet streamed channels.

Not a lot I can do about the broadband speed, short of trying to find another ISP which, with my situation, I'll likely be unable to do at present.

I actually do get a fairly steady speed on my line anyway.

Are you saying it has COM7 but not COM8? COM8 is on channel 37 as far as I can see and transmitted at the same power as the other multiplexes..

According to this page it is:
https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Fenham

Has it occurred to you that your communal aerial system might be blocking UHF Ch37 the same way mine is blocking UHF Ch 35?

If you are on a large communal system it will probably have independent equalising amps for each multiplex. It is likely that the system only has six of these so it will not pass coms7&8. You could try taking up the matter with your landlord but he will probably feign ignorance rather than pay for two extra ones especially as the multiplexes are only temporary.

COM7 passes though fine. It seems COM8 is the issue. If that's the case, then my entire block, plus the other two blocks on the same feeds, will have the same issue. Very likely that 75% of those will have no idea or maybe don't care.

The communal systems were replaced prior to full DSO and the company installing them more than likely now defunct.
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That same system also stops me from installing Sky+ for a satellite alternative as that is only a single feed dish.

Br grateful for small mercies, both COM7 and COM8 are blocked where I live!


If it's anything like here the installer will be on a fixed price maintenance contract so will only supply the absolute minimum as demanded by the contract.


Again be grateful for small mercies, there's no dish feed of any kind here.

Conventional wisdom says that the Olympics finish on the 21st and on 23rd the Olympic configuration finishes. I also know that programme guides cannot be relied on, but I am puzzled as the guide that I subscribe to has the following for LCN608:

I think that is because LCN 608 reverts to being Red Button 1 at 601 after the Olympics?

Oddly enough I can lock COM8 on days like this when the sun is blazing but not any other time.

Yes, that would explain it. I, too, cannot receive COM8, sunshine or not.

Remember that any issues with reception of Ch.35 and Ch.37 may go back as far as the days when Channel 5 launched in analogue in 1997. These two channels were supposed to be the mainstay of Channel 5 at the time. The problems that went with the use of these two UHF channels. Group A aerials not suitable at the time as they only operated between Ch.21-34, the sharing of the frequency between neighbouring transmitters such as Crystal Palace and Sutton Coldfield, the retuning of VCR's, even the fitting of notch filters to reject Channel 5 and of course transmissions on these two frequencies being at much less power than other channels from the same transmitter. All in all a lot of people did not have a happy time trying to receive Ch.35 and Ch.37 and still to this day multiplexes Com.7 and Com .8 being transmitted at much lower power.

The problem locally is the Allesley Park relay station operates on frequencies which are close to COM7 and COM8 and were even closer in analogue days when the current system was first installed. The housing association is not willing to pay to upgrade the system a second time for the benefit of a relatively small percentage of tenants who rely on Freeview for HD as opposed to Sky or Virgin especially as the two COMs in question are only 'temporary'.

2022 in the UK. BBC has rights to 2018 and 2020.

Which they will be sharing with Discovery Europe - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/abouttheb...c-f2987ffe1ada

Indeed. The BBC has sub-licenced a proportion of coverage to Eurosport in 2018 & 2020 in return for Eurosport sub licensing a proportion of coverage to the BBC in 2022 & 2024.

So the Olympics will be split between the BBC & Eurosport for the next 8 years, with the BBC getting first dibs in 2018 & 2020, and Eurosport in 2022 & 2024.

Thus this is the last Olympics with such comprehensive BBC coverage.

"First dibs" is a misnomer. The BBC will be able to show whatever they want across two channels. It's not a case of Eurosport can show some events and the BBC will show others.

For the vast majority of people, there will be no difference to now because they'll still see the best action on BBC1/2.