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BBC to broadcast extra Olympic streams on COM8
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Radiomike
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“"First dibs" is a misnomer. The BBC will be able to show whatever they want across two channels. It's not a case of Eurosport can show some events and the BBC will show others.

For the vast majority of people, there will be no difference to now because they'll still see the best action on BBC1/2.”

Indeed. The main change will be as to the extra coverage currently provided through the red button streams. The likelihood is that from 2018 this is what Discovery/Eurosport will be providing so less likely to be on Freeview. They will presumably provide comprehensive live coverage on other platforms of every single event at both Winter and Summer games using as many additional streams as necessary to do so. The BBC will continue to provide its customary more tailored coverage.

Best of both worlds.
Marti S
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Radiomike:
“Indeed. The main change will be as to the extra coverage currently provided through the red button streams. The likelihood is that from 2018 this is what Discovery/Eurosport will be providing so less likely to be on Freeview. They will presumably provide comprehensive live coverage on other platforms of every single event at both Winter and Summer games using as many additional streams as necessary to do so. The BBC will continue to provide its customary more tailored coverage.

Best of both worlds.”

I wouldnt be surprised that if you wish to see the additional streams, you will have to subscribe to Eurosport player.

Discovery seem to be looking at that has a way to increase revenues, so Eurosport 1 and 2 may not be showing Olympics exclusively, especially if they have other sporting rights to show at the same time.
Mark.
17-08-2016
The risk is that Eurosport (1 or 2) ends up simply duplicating the BBC coverage because both broadcasters want to show the biggest events on their main channels. That would mean alternative content on conventional TV would be restricted to just the single extra BBC channel/stream. Everything else would be online-only.

The other option is Discovery doing a deal with Sky and Virgin to carry 24 red button streams. I'm not sure how that would work in terms of passing on subscription revenue, though.
gomezz
17-08-2016
If Eurosport were tasked with all the live coverage of the cycling, gymnastics and tennis leading to less disruption on BBC's coverage of the other sports then I for one would be more than happy.
Bizman
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“If Eurosport were tasked with all the live coverage of the cycling, gymnastics and tennis leading to less disruption on BBC's coverage of the other sports then I for one would be more than happy. ”

As a former racing cyclist I found there was enough disruption to the cycling events to make it necessary to record it all & then sift through for the events of interest. I would think twice about viewing if I had to pay for the privilege.
Luis Essex
17-08-2016
Hopefully the BBC will have catch-up for everything regardless of the original broadcaster.

Catch-up where the original was from Eurosport could not only have the catch-up BBC logo but a larger logo indicating that Eurosport broadcast the Olympics live along with a varied third logo for Eurosport advertising.

Advert breaks are not currently catered for on iPlayer but this could be an opportunity for the BBC to add the functionality for non-BBC original content which once developed and proved could be part of a future revenue producing offering to third parties.

The potential extra steps to get the Eurosport catch-up files to the BBC video factory could be a cause of an extra delay before they are available. To help mitigate this the highest bandwidth catch-up could be limited to a video resolution of896x504p and a frame rate of 25.
Mark.
17-08-2016
Sorry, what?

If the BBC have catch-up rights to content they didn't show, they'll acquire the content directly without using Eurosport. But I'm not sure they do because Barbara Slater says in her blog that the BBC will have online rights to content they show.

And your sentence about the resolution and frame rate is just bizarre.
Luis Essex
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“Sorry, what?

If the BBC have catch-up rights to content they didn't show, they'll acquire the content directly without using Eurosport. But I'm not sure they do because Barbara Slater says in her blog that the BBC will have online rights to content they show.

And your sentence about the resolution and frame rate is just bizarre.”

Err. All 4 paras were bizzare. But bizzare things do happen. I was postulating on the very worse that could happen.

On the face of it I would say that my last para was the least bizarre if it wasn't for the recent performance of the BBC for the Rio Olympics. The BBC video factory's 1280x720p 50fps version having been available for at least some catch-up before their 960x540p 50fps.
kev
18-08-2016
Originally Posted by Luis Essex:
“Hopefully the BBC will have catch-up for everything regardless of the original broadcaster.”

I reckon it will end up being more like the F1 coverage - the stuff the BBC show live will be on catchup, everything else will be limited to extended highlights broadcast after the fact which will be on catch up.

For the next two games at least the most likely outcome is that everything which is online only now would be broadcast live on Eurosport only, with potentially highlights being available later on the BBC

From the first Games where Discovery have first run rights expect the BBC to have even less events live - and quite probably events which Team GB aren't expected to do well in becoming highlights only.

Any form of Eurosport branding/advertising obviously won't happen on the BBC.

In the end BBC coverage will probably still be better than it was in, say, Atlanta or Barcalona - but never as extensive as Bejing or Rio - with Discovery basically being the BBC's London coverage.
Mark.
18-08-2016
Originally Posted by kev:
“From the first Games where Discovery have first run rights expect the BBC to have even less events live - and quite probably events which Team GB aren't expected to do well in becoming highlights only.”

Obviously the BBC will have fewer events live because they'll have eight fewer outlets on which to show them (22 if you include the online streams).

But in terms of coverage on BBC1, there will be little difference to now. They'll show the biggest events and GB medal prospects live, interspersed with highlights of everything else. At quieter times, they'll show smaller events live where there's a "story" (e.g. a home competitor doing unexpected well).

That's what the vast majority of people watch already.
Sexbomb
22-08-2016
Anyone know when the changes are back to normal? Standard red button music on all the extra streams.
Bizman
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by Sexbomb:
“Anyone know when the changes are back to normal? Standard red button music on all the extra streams.”

According to A516 it happens on the 23rd, but my EPG soures show no programme content until 5pm that day.
Sexbomb
22-08-2016
Yeah confirmed today with a message on screen that may need a retune for some HD services.
ally8971
22-08-2016
Also seen it after changing channels after the BBC News at 1 O'clock even though I have a Youview box that retunes itself.
Toxteth O'Grady
23-08-2016
Cbeebies HD not working for me this morning so I assumed that everything had been changed overnight.

Did a retune and not only is everything still as it was but I've got 2 extra regions for the first time. EPG is a right mess, hopefully once everythings changed back later on everything will lean itself up.

Maybe not the best weather to get everyone retuning their boxes!
kasg
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by Toxteth O'Grady:
“Cbeebies HD not working for me this morning so I assumed that everything had been changed overnight.
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Maybe not the best weather to get everyone retuning their boxes!”

Yes, COM7/8 have been dropping out intermittently for us this morning (signal quality), which is the first time I can remember that happening.
Toxteth O'Grady
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by kasg:
“Yes, COM7/8 have been dropping out intermittently for us this morning (signal quality), which is the first time I can remember that happening.”

We've had break up on Cbeebies HD occasionally over the last few weeks though I suspect part of that might be partly to do with the amount of services on the Mux during the Olympics. The break up seemed to be motion related - for example a fountain in the front shot sent it crazy the other day, whereas it was fine on other scenes
Sexbomb
23-08-2016
I take it all the red button streams will go off today apart from 601.
kasg
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by Sexbomb:
“I take it all the red button streams will go off today apart from 601.”

You'd think so and I would expect changes to happen at around 12.00. However, 608 is still broadcasting Olympics highlights and is scheduled to continue according to the EPG, but it will probably switch to 601.
clewsy
23-08-2016
Are we expecting any other channels to launch following this free space? Suspect it will all happen today, if it's going to happen.
kasg
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“Are we expecting any other channels to launch following this free space? Suspect it will all happen today, if it's going to happen.”

A placeholder for the Craft Channel has appeared at LCN88 on COM8, launching 1st September.
speckly
23-08-2016
I wish they could be a bit clearer about when you need to retune. I've just done it and lost my scheduled recordings, but I see BBC Olympics HD is still there. I'm not altogether convinced I won't have to go through this all again. If it wasn't for the loss of the recording schedule I wouldn't mind.
Toxteth O'Grady
24-08-2016
What I tend to do is retune my telly first, see what the retune does on there and then if necessary do the PVR.

(and another tip is to photograph the list of your timed recordings from the screen so you know what to put back afterwards)
AngusMast
24-08-2016
I won't be doing a full retune. I'll settle for manual retuning each multiplex, but even then the Hitachi HDR5T01 doesn't do it right, I have to delete the channels that are going to change first of all.
AngusMast
25-08-2016
I see BBCA went back to it's standard configuration yesterday in London.

Scotland has yet too change. BBC Four is still 24hrs here. Scotland was also a day later in changing to the Olympic configuration.
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