Originally Posted by alan29:
“No, it really is.
Maybe you're thinking of the old boys network.”
“No, it really is.
Maybe you're thinking of the old boys network.”
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/nepotism
😀
Len Goodman leaving Strictly
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Well to be fair, I looked it up and the Oxford and Collins dictionary also refer to the favouring of close friends although nepotism is usually used to refer to the favouring of family and relatives.
Ah, see ads beat me to it!
Ah, see ads beat me to it!
If this is Anton's last year dancing (please let it be!) then I think he (and we) needs a break from Strictly for a few years before coming back as a judge, let alone head judge.
I'm sorry but I don't get his appeal at all, he is beyond cheesy.
I'm sorry but I don't get his appeal at all, he is beyond cheesy.
Originally Posted by aggs:
“To be fair to Len (
) he says Anton or Karen Hardy and adds about it being someone from the ballroom world - but the headline just runs with Anton.”
“To be fair to Len (
) he says Anton or Karen Hardy and adds about it being someone from the ballroom world - but the headline just runs with Anton.”
Len only wants one person to replace him and it's Anton. He must have added Karen to the list, knowing just giving Anton would really get him some bad press. That guy is shameless, I knew he would be pushing for Anton, behind the scenes, but to do it openly, shows his arrogance. Can't wait for 2017 series, I hope they bring anyone but Anton and scrap the head Judge title.
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“Well to be fair, I looked it up and the Oxford and Collins dictionary also refer to the favouring of close friends although nepotism is usually used to refer to the favouring of family and relatives.
Ah, see ads beat me to it!”
“Well to be fair, I looked it up and the Oxford and Collins dictionary also refer to the favouring of close friends although nepotism is usually used to refer to the favouring of family and relatives.
Ah, see ads beat me to it!”
Len does regard Anton like his family, he was the only pro to be invited for his second
marriage, so it can be called nepotism.
Leaving aside whether the definition encompasses friends as well as family, nepotism suggests Len has the power to actually give Anton the job, which he hasn't. That's down to the BBC.
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“Leaving aside whether the definition encompasses friends as well as family, nepotism suggests Len has the power to actually give Anton the job, which he hasn't. That's down to the BBC.”
“Leaving aside whether the definition encompasses friends as well as family, nepotism suggests Len has the power to actually give Anton the job, which he hasn't. That's down to the BBC.”
I absolutely agree. It is down to the BBC, who will make a hard headed decision based on where they see the show going. Also Len is perfectly entitled to have a preference and to state it, just like everyone here is doing. I don't see what the problem is with him doing that.
Originally Posted by Sarah777:
“Len only wants one person to replace him and it's Anton. He must have added Karen to the list, knowing just giving Anton would really get him some bad press.”
“Len only wants one person to replace him and it's Anton. He must have added Karen to the list, knowing just giving Anton would really get him some bad press.”
Full marks to you to be able to know what he was thinking. Even more so when this is the actual quote:
Quote:
“"It would be nice if Anton or Karen Hardy took over – someone from the world of ballroom rather than stage or theatre dancing," he said at the opening of Wildernesse Golf Club's revamped clubhouse on Tuesday.”
“"It would be nice if Anton or Karen Hardy took over – someone from the world of ballroom rather than stage or theatre dancing," he said at the opening of Wildernesse Golf Club's revamped clubhouse on Tuesday.”
http://www.courier.co.uk/retiring-st...ail/story.html
Quote:
“That guy is shameless, I knew he would be pushing for Anton, behind the scenes, but to do it openly, shows his arrogance. Can't wait for 2017 series, I hope they bring anyone but Anton and scrap the head Judge title.”
“That guy is shameless, I knew he would be pushing for Anton, behind the scenes, but to do it openly, shows his arrogance. Can't wait for 2017 series, I hope they bring anyone but Anton and scrap the head Judge title.”
I cannot see how giving his opinion to what would be an expected question is arrogance. Even this thread did not take long before speculating who might take over!
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I absolutely agree. It is down to the BBC, who will make a hard headed decision based on where they see the show going. Also Len is perfectly entitled to have a preference and to state it, just like everyone here is doing. I don't see what the problem is with him doing that.”
“I absolutely agree. It is down to the BBC, who will make a hard headed decision based on where they see the show going. Also Len is perfectly entitled to have a preference and to state it, just like everyone here is doing. I don't see what the problem is with him doing that.”
I agree Ann. Len would be more qualified than most involved, to suggest a replacement, just please don't let it be Anton
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Full marks to you to be able to know what he was thinking. Even more so when this is the actual quote:
http://www.courier.co.uk/retiring-st...ail/story.html
I cannot see how giving his opinion to what would be an expected question is arrogance. Even this thread did not take long before speculating who might take over!”
“Full marks to you to be able to know what he was thinking. Even more so when this is the actual quote:
http://www.courier.co.uk/retiring-st...ail/story.html
I cannot see how giving his opinion to what would be an expected question is arrogance. Even this thread did not take long before speculating who might take over!”
If he really wanted someone from the world of ballroom to replace him, just leave it at that, why mention those two names, when there are so many of them.
Don't forget, this is a forum and we are all entitled to our opinions.
Originally Posted by Sarah777:
“If he really wanted someone from the world of ballroom to replace him, just leave it at that, why mention those two names, when there are so many of them.
Don't forget, this is a forum and we are all entitled to our opinions.”
“If he really wanted someone from the world of ballroom to replace him, just leave it at that, why mention those two names, when there are so many of them.
Don't forget, this is a forum and we are all entitled to our opinions.”
I would imagine - based on nothing other than spidey senses
- that Len would have been asked specifically Anton. He said nothing, in that report, about Anton different to Karen - the article could quite easily have been written from the point of view of him 'tipping' her to take over, but that doesn't seem to be the slant the reporter was going for.
Originally Posted by Sarah777:
“If he really wanted someone from the world of ballroom to replace him, just leave it at that, why mention those two names, when there are so many of them.”
“If he really wanted someone from the world of ballroom to replace him, just leave it at that, why mention those two names, when there are so many of them.”
Ah, so you now accept that Karen Hardy was not an afterthought.
Indeed, as with some of the speculation here, why not name some possible choices who are known (and liked) by the public as a whole, and who are seen to be part of the Strictly family (and whom Len already works with or sees down at the Elstree Studio complex).
Quote:
“ Don't forget, this is a forum and we are all entitled to our opinions.”
“ Don't forget, this is a forum and we are all entitled to our opinions.”
As is Len Goodman. Just because he is the (soon to be) outgoing judge does not mean that he does not have opinions on this matter, and it certainly does not mean that he would not be asked about it or that it would not come up in an interview. It certainly does not count as arrogance (especially as opinions will always differ).
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Ah, so you now accept that Karen Hardy was not an afterthought.
Indeed, as with some of the speculation here, why not name some possible choices who are known (and liked) by the public as a whole, and who are seen to be part of the Strictly family (and whom Len already works with or sees down at the Elstree Studio complex).
As is Len Goodman. Just because he is the (soon to be) outgoing judge does not mean that he does not have opinions on this matter, and it certainly does not mean that he would not be asked about it or that it would not come up in an interview. It certainly does not count as arrogance (especially as opinions will always differ).”
“Ah, so you now accept that Karen Hardy was not an afterthought.
Indeed, as with some of the speculation here, why not name some possible choices who are known (and liked) by the public as a whole, and who are seen to be part of the Strictly family (and whom Len already works with or sees down at the Elstree Studio complex).
As is Len Goodman. Just because he is the (soon to be) outgoing judge does not mean that he does not have opinions on this matter, and it certainly does not mean that he would not be asked about it or that it would not come up in an interview. It certainly does not count as arrogance (especially as opinions will always differ).”
Please give it a rest. When I said longtime ago that Len would want Anton to replace him, you were up in arms, asking for source. Now you have heard it from him.
Why do you think the media are zooming in on Anton, because they know that Len is very close to Anton. .
I think the media are homing in on Anton because out of all the 'candidates' so far he is the one known to the vast majority of Strictly watchers who go away in the off season and do other stuff . I think even saying Karen WonwithRampsHardy would have your more ad hoc Strictly watcher scratching their head. A.N. Other from the world of ballroom wouldn't attract the clicks so much either.
. I think even saying Karen WonwithRampsHardy would have your more ad hoc Strictly watcher scratching their head. A.N. Other from the world of ballroom wouldn't attract the clicks so much either.
Originally Posted by Jennifer_F:
“I agree Ann. Len would be more qualified than most involved, to suggest a replacement, just please don't let it be Anton”
“I agree Ann. Len would be more qualified than most involved, to suggest a replacement, just please don't let it be Anton
”
No, I don't think I'd want Anton either.
. Wouldn't want Karen, either.
Originally Posted by Sarah777:
“Please give it a rest. When I said longtime ago that Len would want Anton to replace him, you were up in arms, asking for source. Now you have heard it from him.”
“Please give it a rest. When I said longtime ago that Len would want Anton to replace him, you were up in arms, asking for source. Now you have heard it from him.”
Whoa, before this gets too fractious, let's just clarify a few things.
In post 56, you said:
Quote:
“Hi Ochre , So happy, Len is leaving. I think Karen Hardy will be very good, but I suspect he will make sure his best buddy Anton, replaces him. People underestimate
Len's control on the show.”
“Hi Ochre , So happy, Len is leaving. I think Karen Hardy will be very good, but I suspect he will make sure his best buddy Anton, replaces him. People underestimate
Len's control on the show.”
I then replied (post 60), quoting only "People underestimate Len's control on the show."
Quote:
“Do you have sources/links to back that up please?”
“Do you have sources/links to back that up please?”
So I was not "up in arms" (as you describe it) that you had said that Len would want Anton to replace him. I was making a legitimate enquiry as to the source of your claim to know how much control Len has on the show (as is common on internet forums when such claims are made which appear to be being presented as fact as opposed to opinion).
Quote:
“Why do you think the media are zooming in on Anton, because they know that Len is very close to Anton. .”
“Why do you think the media are zooming in on Anton, because they know that Len is very close to Anton. .”
Or because he is one of the long-serving pros, has done other TV projects outside of SCD, and is assumed to be popular with viewers.
Hope that clarifies things for you.
everyones entitled to post their opinion and who they would want to take over, Just because its an opinion doesn't make it right. I know for example Jason Gardiner isn't popular but he would be my choice and the fact he isn't popular hasn't stopped me giving my opinion that he would be my choice
Originally Posted by JohnStannard:
“everyones entitled to post their opinion and who they would want to take over, Just because its an opinion doesn't make it right. I know for example Jason Gardiner isn't popular but he would be my choice and the fact he isn't popular hasn't stopped me giving my opinion that he would be my choice”
“everyones entitled to post their opinion and who they would want to take over, Just because its an opinion doesn't make it right. I know for example Jason Gardiner isn't popular but he would be my choice and the fact he isn't popular hasn't stopped me giving my opinion that he would be my choice”
I'd prefer a judge who didn't assume the show is more about them than dancing.
I'd like a change from the irritating posturing and camera hogging, of Craig, Len and Bruno.
Vincent Simone has tossed his hat vaguely in the direction of the ring, but will the BBC be there to catch it?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...-come-dancing/
Quote:
“STRICTLY’s Vincent Simone has put his hat in the ring for head judge Len Goodman’s job when he leaves Strictly.
The flamboyant Italian, who quit the show three years ago, revealed himself as an unlikely contender for the role, which has been heavily linked with popular dancer Anton Du Beke.
He said: “If they asked me to be a judge, that would be great – I’d be over the moon! I always had this in my mind.
“Obviously Len is a big personality – I always thought, I’d be very happy to follow him – but obviously people love Anton and everybody has always been saying for years he should one of the judges -people love him for what he does so far.
“But I always thought it would be great if me and my partner Flavia (Cacace) were on the panel as a duo!
“We’d be a good team. We could be on the chair as the dance experts. If they asked me, I’d give it a go!
”
“STRICTLY’s Vincent Simone has put his hat in the ring for head judge Len Goodman’s job when he leaves Strictly.
The flamboyant Italian, who quit the show three years ago, revealed himself as an unlikely contender for the role, which has been heavily linked with popular dancer Anton Du Beke.
He said: “If they asked me to be a judge, that would be great – I’d be over the moon! I always had this in my mind.
“Obviously Len is a big personality – I always thought, I’d be very happy to follow him – but obviously people love Anton and everybody has always been saying for years he should one of the judges -people love him for what he does so far.
“But I always thought it would be great if me and my partner Flavia (Cacace) were on the panel as a duo!
“We’d be a good team. We could be on the chair as the dance experts. If they asked me, I’d give it a go!
”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...-come-dancing/
No chance of Vincent getting it, he's too lightweight.
They need another woman. Then the bitching will be limited to that between Craig and Bruno.
They need another woman. Then the bitching will be limited to that between Craig and Bruno.
Yeah, lightweight that Vincent! How dare he?
Let's see his credentials, shall we?
UK Professional Ten Dance Champions 2002-2006
UK Professional Showdance Champions 2003-2006
Negracha club UK Argentine Tango Champions, 2006
IDO World Argentine Tango Finalists, 2005/2006 (3rd place overall - winners, Show Tango section)
UK Ballroom Champions
World and European Ten Dance and Showdance finalists 2002 - 2006
(source: Wikipedia)
Let's see his credentials, shall we?
UK Professional Ten Dance Champions 2002-2006
UK Professional Showdance Champions 2003-2006
Negracha club UK Argentine Tango Champions, 2006
IDO World Argentine Tango Finalists, 2005/2006 (3rd place overall - winners, Show Tango section)
UK Ballroom Champions
World and European Ten Dance and Showdance finalists 2002 - 2006
(source: Wikipedia)
I really hope Vincent doesn't get it as him and Bruno on the panel would be too much for me. Also not a fan.
Vincent and Flavia have great experience but Vincent is too bland for my liking and I can't see Flavia doing any desk job.
As VicsMum says, Vincent knows his stuff and has good credentials. Also as a Strictly pro he produced some of the better, more technical, routines. So he's not one to sell out. However not sure he has the right personality (I'd say the same of Flavia).
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