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Old 13-07-2016, 22:05
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Did gay men really have to go through that?

What do you think of the Emmerdale plot?
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Old 13-07-2016, 22:15
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Did gay men really have to go through that?

What do you think of the Emmerdale plot?
yes they did if they were convicted of the crime. being gay used to be illegal.

have you heard of alan turing? there was a film based on him called The imitation game, he was played by benedict cumberbatch. Alan had chemical castration after he was convicted of homosexual acts. that was 1952. Lawrence went to prison in the early 60's

that lawrences era. he ended up in prison due to Edna who reported him because he was having an affair with her husband.

I think the plot is good, new subject to be explored by a soap, you would just kind of question why it was all coming out now I suppose

I know some of the younger forum members can't get their heads around the olden days but life was different and some older folk still remember that
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Old 13-07-2016, 22:21
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Yes*, gay men really were treated like that before homosexuality was decriminilised in 1967.

I think the plot is a good one in concept and the actors involved are excellent but it hasn't always been written very well.
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Old 13-07-2016, 22:52
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It's a very good plot.
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Old 21-07-2016, 08:00
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John Bow is one of Emmerdales best actors.
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Old 21-07-2016, 08:13
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John Bow is one of Emmerdales best actors.
I think the plot is great, it's good to have something different too. I agree, John Bowe is amazing, a class act.
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Old 21-07-2016, 08:19
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Did gay men really have to go through that?

What do you think of the Emmerdale plot?
They did - it's frankly horrific that this was happening so relatively recently....

The plot is an interesting subject to explore - but it needs the right actor to pull it off and in John Bowe ED have one of the best around at the minute. In the hands of a less good actor it could have been a real failure.
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Old 25-07-2016, 19:09
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Alan Turing really didn't deserve that after what he did to beat the war.

So has Bernice left Lawrence?
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Old 26-07-2016, 21:17
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They did - it's frankly horrific that this was happening so relatively recently....

The plot is an interesting subject to explore - but it needs the right actor to pull it off and in John Bowe ED have one of the best around at the minute. In the hands of a less good actor it could have been a real failure.
Wasnt Ronnie out and proud at that stage?
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Old 26-07-2016, 21:38
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Wasnt Ronnie out and proud at that stage?
No! being out and proud as you say would have resulted in him being in prison the same as lawrence!

even into the late 80's the gay scene was pretty much still underground and people were not out and proud
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Old 26-07-2016, 21:46
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yes they did if they were convicted of the crime. being gay used to be illegal.

have you heard of alan turing? there was a film based on him called The imitation game, he was played by benedict cumberbatch. Alan had chemical castration after he was convicted of homosexual acts. that was 1952. Lawrence went to prison in the early 60's

that lawrences era. he ended up in prison due to Edna who reported him because he was having an affair with her husband.

I think the plot is good, new subject to be explored by a soap, you would just kind of question why it was all coming out now I suppose

I know some of the younger forum members can't get their heads around the olden days but life was different and some older folk still remember that

I'm 28, and I thought it was common knowledge.
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Old 27-07-2016, 10:49
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I wasnt aware it was made legal not that long ago.
What influences changed the law?
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Old 27-07-2016, 11:03
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I wasnt aware it was made legal not that long ago.
What influences changed the law?
It would appear that prominent men being charged with offences triggered it off.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenden_report

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time...ory_in_Britain

on the second link scroll down to the 1960's onwards.

It is quite interesting to read over, everyone nowadays wants this that and the other but don't realise that life was once very different, it always takes time for things to work through the generations to find acceptance, mostly because the older people remember when it was "wrong" and the consequences.

there are a few films out there, american based that show a sort of underground movement of gay men and how they fought for rights.

the recent one about HIV was a good one cos I think it did set the gay cause back somewhat, so whilst it all became legal, the stigma of HIV set everything back again and that was in the 80's
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Old 27-07-2016, 16:42
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It would appear that prominent men being charged with offences triggered it off.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenden_report

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time...ory_in_Britain

on the second link scroll down to the 1960's onwards.

It is quite interesting to read over, everyone nowadays wants this that and the other but don't realise that life was once very different, it always takes time for things to work through the generations to find acceptance, mostly because the older people remember when it was "wrong" and the consequences.

there are a few films out there, american based that show a sort of underground movement of gay men and how they fought for rights.

the recent one about HIV was a good one cos I think it did set the gay cause back somewhat, so whilst it all became legal, the stigma of HIV set everything back again and that was in the 80's
Those huge adverts about Aids scared people. I wasnt alive then.
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Old 27-07-2016, 17:50
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It would appear that prominent men being charged with offences triggered it off.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenden_report

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time...ory_in_Britain

on the second link scroll down to the 1960's onwards.

It is quite interesting to read over, everyone nowadays wants this that and the other but don't realise that life was once very different
, it always takes time for things to work through the generations to find acceptance, mostly because the older people remember when it was "wrong" and the consequences.

there are a few films out there, american based that show a sort of underground movement of gay men and how they fought for rights.

the recent one about HIV was a good one cos I think it did set the gay cause back somewhat, so whilst it all became legal, the stigma of HIV set everything back again and that was in the 80's

I knew life was very different in the past. Not everyone is the same.
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Old 27-07-2016, 17:55
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I knew life was very different in the past. Not everyone is the same.
so you said, but there are a lot who don't.

I have seen a couple of threads about lawrence where people have asked the same questions. I have seen threads in general where people post not knowing any of the history of what men went through to get to here.

I am not saying everyone
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Old 27-07-2016, 22:59
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Soap Lea you were very clear to me.
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Old 27-07-2016, 23:14
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No! being out and proud as you say would have resulted in him being in prison the same as lawrence!

even into the late 80's the gay scene was pretty much still underground and people were not out and proud
I think that the point is that the aversion therapy didn't work. Had it have worked, then Lawrence & Ronnie wouldn't have had a relationship in the 1970s. What I find odd about the story is, given that Lawrence & Ronnie had a relationship well after Lawrence would have left prison, why is Lawrence so far in the closet at the present time?
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Old 27-07-2016, 23:18
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Yes*, gay men really were treated like that before homosexuality was decriminilised in 1967.

I think the plot is a good one in concept and the actors involved are excellent but it hasn't always been written very well.
The 1967 Act was quite limited in its scope. It decriminalized homosexual acts between consenting adult males (ie over 21) in private. It left the door open to prosecution when such acts were committed in public (the police made much use of this in their campaigns against cottaging), or where one party was under the age of 21 - the other would then get the book thrown at them, or when both parties were under 21.
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Old 27-07-2016, 23:26
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I think that the point is that the aversion therapy didn't work. Had it have worked, then Lawrence & Ronnie wouldn't have had a relationship in the 1970s. What I find odd about the story is, given that Lawrence & Ronnie had a relationship well after Lawrence would have left prison, why is Lawrence so far in the closet at the present time?
I don't think the relationship between them was sexual or at least thats the impression that was given.

Lawrence is saying the aversion therapy worked

after going through what lawrence did you wouldn't expect to find him anywhere else but the back of the closet. even after it was decriminalised there was still a huge stigma, like I say people still weren't out n proud in the late 80's!

but as ronnie said, lawrence chose his wife and family over him and stuck with it

Maybe there is a continuity error here with what emmerdale are trying to present in this story
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Old 27-07-2016, 23:37
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I don't think the relationship between them was sexual or at least thats the impression that was given.

Lawrence is saying the aversion therapy worked

after going through what lawrence did you wouldn't expect to find him anywhere else but the back of the closet. even after it was decriminalised there was still a huge stigma, like I say people still weren't out n proud in the late 80's!

but as ronnie said, lawrence chose his wife and family over him and stuck with it

Maybe there is a continuity error here with what emmerdale are trying to present in this story
I'm not su sure.

Ronnie told us that he was still in love with Lawrence, after 36 years of not having seen him! That doesn't smack of unrequited love, to me. Then Lawrence said to Ronnie that Ronnie had left him, not that Lawrence left Ronnie. Ronnie's take on this was that he left (as a selfless act?) so that Lawrence could have his little family, when his (?) first child was born. Then we had Lawrence holding Ronnie's hand, when Ronnie was unconscious in hospital, and the near kiss, when Ronnie & Lawrence were grappling in the hotel bedroom (set up by Bernice). I find the story somewhat uneven at present, as these elements all seem contradictory to me, when taking into account how far in the closet Lawrence appears to be at present.

It's quite clear to me that the story of Lawrence & Ronnie is meant to mirror that of Robert & Aaron. Robert has many of Lawrence's character traits and Aaron even looks like a younger Ronnie. We are, I suppose, being invited to compare the then with the now.
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Old 27-07-2016, 23:55
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I'm not su sure.

Ronnie told us that he was still in love with Lawrence, after 36 years of not having seen him! That doesn't smack of unrequited love, to me. Then Lawrence said to Ronnie that Ronnie had left him, not that Lawrence left Ronnie. Ronnie's take on this was that he left (as a selfless act?) so that Lawrence could have his little family, when his (?) first child was born. Then we had Lawrence holding Ronnie's hand, when Ronnie was unconscious in hospital, and the near kiss, when Ronnie & Lawrence were grappling in the hotel bedroom (set up by Bernice). I find the story somewhat uneven at present, as these elements all seem contradictory to me, when taking into account how far in the closet Lawrence appears to be at present.

It's quite clear to me that the story of Lawrence & Ronnie is meant to mirror that of Robert & Aaron. Robert has many of Lawrence's character traits and Aaron even looks like a younger Ronnie. We are, I suppose, being invited to compare the then with the now.
ahh yes Tonnie said they were lovers in the pub

I don't see any parallels between robert and aaron and lawrence and ronnie. I don't think there is any comparison.

Lawrence has said he is asexual

i'm reading over some press on it and it says they had a fling, thats a pretty bad plothole to have in this story
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Old 28-07-2016, 01:47
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ahh yes Tonnie said they were lovers in the pub

I don't see any parallels between robert and aaron and lawrence and ronnie. I don't think there is any comparison.

Lawrence has said he is asexual

i'm reading over some press on it and it says they had a fling, thats a pretty bad plothole to have in this story

Yes, but I think he was gay before the aversion therapy.
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Old 30-07-2016, 11:58
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Yes, but I think he was gay before the aversion therapy.
I think that to.
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Old 30-07-2016, 12:07
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No! being out and proud as you say would have resulted in him being in prison the same as lawrence!

even into the late 80's the gay scene was pretty much still underground and people were not out and proud
Up here it wasn't decriminalised until the early 1980s, although m not sure how much the police ' turned a blind eye.' Yes the 80s and 90s were a lot less' modern' than people assume. I was teenage in the late 80s/ early 90s and at that time there was still a huge amount of prejudice about being gay. It was a point of some debate when EE featured a gay couple and people literally still said the word in hushed voices or with embarrassment.

I assumed Ronnie is younger than Lawrence ( he looks it) so he might not have come out until after it was decriminalised in England.
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