The house shown as Adam's mum's, when he phones home, is the exact same house as the one with the wheelie bin outside which ate Mickey. They are identical, even down to the "for sale" sign. That house was opposite Clive's house.

It could be that the BBC just used a bit of old footage from Rose for this episode, or there could be a connection...

Thanks for confiming that. It was the simialrity of the houses that first put me onto the idea that Adam might be Clive's son...maybe Adams mum remarried a man from across the street after Clive died...

...but this doesn't explain the forsal ign being there in 2005 and 2012....maybe it's a future prediction about how stale the housing market goes...

Some of the stand alone stories have worked really well..The Unquiet Dead and Dalek..but the two parter AOL/WW3 failed on a number of levels. I will most probably be lynched for daring to put this thought on the forums but it is interesting to note that most of the episodes which have much better received were not written by RTD. I am full of admiration for what RTD has done with the series and engaging viewers new and old with his vision but I hope when this series ends they will look back and see what worked and what really didn't. Perhaps it is not so much the writing but the way in which the ideas were executed on screen so hopefully directors like Euros Lyn and Joe Ahearne will be asked back for series 2.

I can't belive that no one has yet mentioned the obvious concluion about Adam! (unless I missed it in the past 13 pages )

Facts
1 - Adam - The first human in the bible. From which all humans were created.
2 - Had knowledge of the Daleks
3 - Gained knowledge of microchips in the future
4 - had that implant in hs head

So this leads me to thing that Adam is none other than

Davros?

Why not
1 - Davros had an Eye implant not a brain implant. But could this have been modified?
2 - Adam is Human but Davros is Kalid. Could The Kalid be related to Humans? Much like the Doctor is Human to all intents and purposes?

Conjecture
1 - Tempeted by the devil/snake to eat the apple. Could there be a link with Rose being Eve?
2 - There are rose and wolf variaties of Apple. Didn't Red Riding Hood take a basket of apples to grannie?
3 - Did the Daleks gain their knowledge of time travel from Adam?
4 - Why was the dog so interested in the answer Phone? Was it just because of Adams voice or more Bad Wolf references. Could Adam disect the Dogs brain to get the information that was destroyed.

Unbeliveable bits
1 - How could an answerphone hold all of the information that Adam transmitted. It just doesn't have the bandwidth.
2 - How does the phone know which time to phone back to.

Still - why let physics get in the way of a good story

When Adam has just finished his phone call, the Doctor calls him "mutton Jeff". And when Adam's Mum opens the door she asks, "Is that you, Jeff?"

I know that "mutton jeff" means deaf, but Adam didn't seem to be ignoring the Doctor, or not hearing him.

Also, the inside of Adam's Mum's house didn't really look very "2012". Plus, when both Rose and Adam made their respective phone calls back in time to their Mums, red tops* and washing machines seemed to feature in the scenes...

* Adam is wearing a red hooded top in the photo on the telephone table

I've never seen my answer phone glow blue - how did that happen then?


What a great idea! Best make sure the kiddies are in bed though!

Has someone posted the overnight ratings for last nights ep yet? Apologies if they have and I didn't spot them.

For much the same reasons as I disagreed with the Gallifreyans are humans conjecture last night.

The events in 'Genesis of the Daleks' in which Davros creates the Daleks happens in about 5300BC. Your idea would mean that Adam as Davros would have to invent time and space travel, only to subsequently forget about it.

7.51m (share 38.9%)

Celebrity wrestling drew an average of 2.56M, surely meaning it won't be on for much longer. So DW will get a new itv show to whip in the ratings. Yay!

I voted "good". It didn't have any of the childish humour that has spoiled most previous episodes. I liked what happened with Adam.

Adam was always a bit dubious in that he worked for the bad guy and didn't do anything especially "good". It was hard to see why Rose was throwing herself at him (insisting he come, giving him her magic cell phone and her Tardis key). I did admire him for following the Doctor's advice and "throwing himself in", overcoming his squeamishness and getting the spike implant. Using it for personal gain was perhaps a bit naughty, but simply plugging in was enough to cause the problem.

He's lucky to be alive. This Doctor usually kills people who expose him.

I didn't have any trouble with the sound or the sets. I think all of these stories are suffering from being squeezed into 45 minutes.

Or maybe it will make ITV realise that they can only dumb down so far. That maybe the British viewing public isn't as "dumb" as they think they are.

Hopefully that will be one of Doctor Who's legacies...

He was speaking to both Rose and Adam and called them "mutt and jeff" as in the cartoon...

I wonder if it's possible to chart the decline in British TV with the axing of the original series of DW...

DW is axed, TV declines, DW is recommissioned, TV enters new age of enlightenment.

Have we seen the bottom of the barrel with CW, or is their further for it to drop?

Mind you, there's always Channel 5 and Sky One (Sky's homegrown 'entertainment' is on a par with Channel 5's imo, it's only saving grace is the fact that it buys in US content) to show us how much further TV can fall.

Aaahh, thanks for the correction. I hadn't heard of the cartoon. It actually makes more sense too...

That discussion is probably best held in the Broadcasting forum, to avoid this thread wandering off topic

But, I just shudder to think what state broadcasting would be in if it wasn't for the BBC, and BBC Wales, who produced the series that launched a thousand posts on these fine forums...

Celebrity Wrestling only got 2.56M???

That's a disaster for a Saturday night slot.
It's getting fewer ratings each week.

I actually watched the repeat of Celeb Wrestling this morning.
I have to admit, I found it a guilty pleasure.
Mind you, I can like trash TV sometimes. Sometimes I can watch any old trash if I'm in the right mood on a lazy Sunday morning.

But we don't really want Celeb Wrestling to do too badly so that it gets taken off air.
We just want it to be kept on and get 2.5 - 3 million each week to ensure that Doctor Who keeps a high proportion of the audience share.

There would be nothing for us to gloat about if they replace Celeb Wrestling with a show that eats into the time slots audience share.

Something like Celeb Wrestling is healthy for Doctor Who. Because this first series of Doc Who is finding it's feet, and people are more likely to stick with it if the alternative isn't that appealing to them.
Hopefully for long enough for series 2 when Doctor Who should be even better than the first series.
Or at least it should be if they take what they can learn from series one, like Black Guardian said above.

Can somebody post the viewing figures that Doctor Who has had for the last 7 weeks please?

I just want to look at the viewing figures for each episode and compare them with each other.

Ah, but Doctor Who did pretty well against Ant & Dec... for its first couple of weeks, so I think this series has shown that it can hold its own against stiff competition. Although it would be nice if ITV just scheduled repeats of some trash like You've Been Framed

Don't think that's going to happen. Reliable pro wrestling website wrestlingobserver.com reported:

"--ITV Director of Programmmes Nigel Pickard has admitted he is thinking over the future of Celebrity Wrestling after the poor ratings last week. He said they would look at how it does after the next two weeks, and if there is no improvement, it's in trouble. There were only six shows taped, so cancelling after four shows in a tournament format leaves people hanging. The Herald in the U.K. today had an editorial, noting the poor ITV ratings last Saturday, and said Celebrity Wrestling "would insult the intelligence of a chimp wearing a blindfold." Hey, don't be talking about the people who used to book WCW like that. (thanks to Ian Hamilton and others)"

And that was before last nights disaster.

All the ratings for the new series of DW are in the episode guide at http://www.gallifreyone.com Alrightmate

I am so pleased that DW is getting the ratings and critical acclaim it deserves (perhaps not for AOL/WW3! Lol!) but I hope they don't become complacent....that is what happened many years ago and we all know how that turned out. All it will take is for ITV to buy in a series like Battlestar or schedule that programme with Patrick Stewart against it that they are currently making and we might see a completely different picture. Would we so eager to gloat then? I agree with what Alrightmate said in his post that for series one it was perhaps fortutious that DW has been able to find it's feet with little to oppose it but they shouldnt rest on their laurels or the praise that is currently being lavished on it. RTD and co should take a serious look at what worked in series one and what didn't and learn from that in order to make it a much stronger show when it returns for series two and who knows what opposition it may face.

Rose: 10.81 Official BARB ratings

End of the World: 8.2 (Peak) 7.87 (Average)

The Unquiet Dead: 8.3 Official BARB ratings

AOL: 7.3 Official BARB ratings

WW3: 7.9 (Peak) 7.26 (Average)

Dalek: 8.73 (Official final figure not out yet!)

I don't think that we'll see another sci-fi show on ITV in the same timeslot as Doctor Who. The reason being that it would split the viewing audience, rather than attracting new viewers. ITV may introduce their Patrick Stewart vehicle in the post-Who slot, to capitalise on the Who audience, rather than trying to compete with it.

I also doubt that the new Battlestar would be screened as early as 7pm, it's a much more adult programme, and is more likely to be shown in a post-watershed slot.

Ah yes - probable v true. I have a surround sound system so get v good audio stereo quality.

Lucky me!

Ain't that just a little bit patronising? I think the guy and his team know what they're doing. I am so impressed by this new series and the ratings show that it's reaching a whole new audience. The figures for Ant and Dec weren't down by all that much opposite Doctor Who, so it shows there's a fresh crowd watching TV on a Saturday night.

If you go to the products section of the Geocomtex page..

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It's probably been mentioned elsewhere, but man alive I do hope we're not all going to be angry with RTD when this all ties together.. If it does!

Last nights episode I voted as good, the whole Blade Runner look was a little tired I thought, can't go wrong with a little Pegg though!