Ahh okay, I'm aware of entanglement, I've never heard of it called a paradox though.

This is going a bit off-topic but...

Wow, that is absolutly facinating. We did alot f work with splitting light with slits back in my A level physics days and we did a section of work with photons too...but to think that you get the same patterns with a single photon is true is truely amazing

I thought this weeks show was good (much better than the two Slitheen episodes).

Some classic moments, I loved the idea of the Vomitomatic!

I'm still hanging on to a theory that CE is not THE Doctor, however my grip on this idea is not as tight as it once was. The only type of clue this week were two of the quotes that the Editor said,
[list][*]Something is wrong, something fictional (when he first encountered CE on screen).[*]Someone shouldn't be here (the camera was on CE when this comment was made).[/list]Although both these references could equally have been for Suki!

Next week episode looks like a "Back to the Future" episode, although I though it was dangerous for a human to meet oneself. I seem to remember an episode with the Brigadier, and they made a big point of this?

No thats not a paradox - Although it does appear to violate the laws that deal with the speed of light

Doesn't Hawking Radiation also violate that law?

Yes, he used to appear in each issue for a few frames, during which he would shoot someone. then after two years of this he was hit by a truck !!! End of Elf !!

Well, end of THAT Elf ! It turned out later there were more of them and they appeared in The Defenders and other comics (including Spidey) later on.

Still it was really funny at the time.

I'm not sure if people would be so amused if the Bad Wolf thing turns out to be a red herring....

Its been a while since I read up on Hawking Radiation, but I don't believe it violates any known physical laws. It goes against what we have always been told about Black Hole in that nothing can escape its grasp.

As far as I can remember, its due to the quantum effects of a particle at the event horizon being changed from one energy level to another thereby releasing energy from the black hole.

Those comments could easily have been aimed at the doctor (without the Editor realising) and he could still be the real Doctor.

The 'someone should be there' easily translates to the Time Lords being no more hence the Doctor should be no more either. Hence the Doctor shouldn't be there. This point to the Doctor having been able to 'slip through' the Time Lords destruction.

The wrong/fictional comment can apply to the same situation: as though the Doctor surviving is not what should have happened...this leads you to think that what the Doctor did in causing the destruction of time Lords wasn't the natural course...so what was it that made him change the natural course that created a better out come than the destruction of his own people?

The 'fictional' bit can easily be down to the Time Lords not being wiped out completely, but having remained as a myth in time, no more than a story passed through the ages (a fact confimed by Jabe in the second episode, who found it hard to believe that the Doctor was a Time Lord).

A few extra things from me,

Evil Eye had a theory Adam was Clives son - Afraid not Clives surname was Finch (according to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/guests)

I was getting to like the Adam character and will miss him, plenty of potential there for future story lines, and I like the theory he could be connected to Bad Wolf, as the helicopter he was in in DALEK was called Bad Wolf 1, and he could have been the boy spraying Bad Wolf on the side of the TARDIS.

No one seems to have mentioned that the web site http://www.bad-wolf.org/ gets redirected to Mickeys Who is Doctor Who? site. And the title on the taskbar says "redirecting you for now...."!

Keep all your theories coming, it makes some great reading.

I would hate it if that happened (CE turning out not to be the Doctor) I don't think they would risk an idea like that anyway, it would annoy too many fans.

The clues you referenced you're right they're extremely flimsy especially considering the editor at that point didn't even know who the Doctor was.

I remember the brigadier story, I am fairly sure it was a cybermen story, the 1977 brigadier walks in and sees the 1983 brigadier and there was some sort of space time continuum explosion, leaving only one of them left. My memory doesn't serve brilliantly on that as I was about 9 when I last saw it (31 now) but I thought it was a great story.

Tonights (I watched it on BBC3) episode was superb and I thought the best yet. As someone already said on here much in the tradition of previous stories, and next weeks looks great as well. Bring it on!!!!!

I tend to agree with this... the references are now being shoehorned in. It's as if there was a couple of coincidental references to a "Bad Wolf" and now RTD is squeezing them in - since the graffitti one, they've all been said off screen (added in post-production?) or in other (ie internet) media.

I certainly disagree that the repetition is intrinsic to the fiction as well... if it's a subconscious effort by the Doctor to remind him of something in a timeloop (along the lines of Data and his references to "3" in ST:TNG) then it's a bit silly - the Doctor hasn't even been present for half of them!!

The story you are thinking of is Mawdryn Undead. It was a Peter Davison story from 1983 which introduced Turlough as the new companion and saw the return of the Black Guardian.

Hope that helps.

That actually links in nicely with next week's episode - Rose's dad should not be there; he is an extra man on earth who should have died, and thus messes up time and space and stuff (note my distinct inability to make any of this sound intelligent ).

Yeah I had a feeling it was one of the Black Guardian trilogy then I convinced myself it was a Cybermen one. I think the sets must've looked similar. Great set of stories. If thats true I've seen it more recently then as I bought all those on video (sadly I sold all my Dr Who vids to a collector a few years back)

It would be great to have another Turlough style character, I was hoping Bruno Langley might take that role, the traitor companion.

A quick visit to Mickey's site, supposedly written about the same time the TARDIS was sprayed, says that Adam is from Nottingham. It is unlikely the Graffitti kid is Adam!

Whether he reappears this season or not, I reckon he would make a great recurring character. Not too many times though.

Exactly what 'secrets' do you see (beyond the words "bad wolf"?)

The episode where the TARDIS is sprayed is set 12 months from now, so he could have moved to London?

I do find it a bit odd how Mickeys website is reporting the Alien Landing when it has not happened yet

Aah - thanks - never watched more than a couple of episodes...

K

I don't think the Bad Wolf references are integral plot devices, aimed at The Doctor as coded messages. I don't think The Doctor will recap and start saying "and do you remember when the Welsh maid mentioned the Bad Wolf...." However, there are too many of them to be just coincidence. I think they are "Easter Eggs" aimed at the viewers to add an extra layer to the stories, and which are pointing to a future reveal which WILL be significant to the plot. This is often done in Movies, one not so subtle example being "Magnolia".

We will probably get to know what it is all about sooner or later, though it may not be until the next season! Lets hope it's not too soon as it's fun guessing!

Me too - the Doctor didn't give Mickey the virus on CD until 2006 either, so it's odd that we are seeing him write editorials about it in 2005...

I'm still trying to catch up with this thread, and have been doing so all day, on and off.

I agree with you 100% here Alrightmate!

RTD is an excellent writer for some things - but sci-fi doesn't seem to be his forte. Yes, he's the person responsible for bringing DW back, but I think he should let Mark Gatiss et al write the scripts.

I'm also looking forward to the episode penned by Paul Cornell, another one who wrote some of the better books along with Mark Gatiss.

Although it doesn't do your posts justice, I'm going to comment on them en masse rather than replying to each individual one, as I'm still trying to catch up with the thread.

Your observations on the social commentary contained in the episodes are spot on and very well observed. We're also thinking along the same lines regarding the reality tv theme running throughout the series, and Earth being the basis of many other races formed in the future (including Gallifrey).

A couple of points:

I counted hearing Rose's alarm clock four times throughout last night's episode. (although I haven't managed to work out the significance of it yet.)

I also wonder if Geocomtex built the platforms used in episode two, the End of the World.

I still think Adam has got Rose's phone.

I think Geocomtex was invented as the alternative enemy if Daleks couldn't be used - and I too don't think we've seen the last of them, in one form or another. Seems a shame to waste a good villain when you've gone to the trouble of writing them up, doesn't it?

I was interested to hear RTD say that we'd find out who installed 'Max' in the space station at a later date - my money is still on the Master being behind it.

Yes, I like this idea as well. Very good!

As previously mentioned, Cassandra did say 'talk to the face, talk to the face.'

I wonder if we're having a 'money is the root of all evil' subtext running though the whole series?

Oh - spotted another one liner (on second viewing).

'It's impossible - a member of staff with an idea'

K

We have all witnessed The Doctor changing time lines, and in the Long Game, trying to fix a time line but still leaving events altered. So how come Rose saving her Dad's life is going to cause such pandemonium? I guess I'll just have to wait till next week to find out.

And while on the issue of time lines, the Doctor said that the time line had been disrupted and put back by 90 years. Surely that could only happen due to meddling from outside of the current time stream.

Are there malevolent forces capable of time travel, interfering with history? Could it be the Jagrafess, or did something else arrange for the Jagrafess to be installed? The Face of Boe perhaps?

Could it be time meddling that caused the events in the other episodes so far? It would explain why the doctor knows about the times he visits, but doesn't know about major alien activity.!

I suggested this a couple of weeks ago, or rather more specifically "greed" was one of the main themes of the timewar. It was after the Slitheen revealed that the staged invasion of earth was so that they could make a profit from it.

So far we've had Cassandra and the "great and good" from episode two, the slitheen, Van Statten and his company in episode 6 (who was very greedy and very power hungry), then the reference to the consortium of bankers running the news network last night. Can't think of anything in episode one ot three that might be tied in with this though (apart from the lottery money in ep. one maybe)