As far as we know Bruno Langley is only appearing in two episodes which have already aired so unless RTD and co are playing their cards close to their chest I don't think we will be seeing Adam again...well, not in this series anyway.

I think the one to watch out for is Cpt Jack played by John Barrowman who will be travelling with them from ep 8 onwards...

I think there may well be consequences from his actions (after he was left by the Doctor and Rose) that will have to be dealt with, rather than the character himself.

Ahhh... John Barrowman. You mean Mr Electric Circus from Live & Kicking back in 1993?

And that's the nearest the show would get to a BJ I'm sure...

The very same

I wasn't really thinking about it at the time, but I assumed there was one station at each Lagrange point, hence the number 5.

Agreed! RTD has said we are yet to find out who installed the Jagrafess which will be revealed at a later date! I think there is a organisation/company/consortium of financiers behind the various events we have seen so far and yet to discover...there has been too much emphasis on money/greed in each episode. Perhaps Adam's meddling will only compound matters and bring them to a head in a later episode.

Cheeky!

I knew about Lagrange points but didn't know there were 5. Fascinating! The things you can learn on this forum. Thanks for the link.

Was B5 supposed to have been at one of these? L5 perhaps?

Saturdays Ep was only OK, Its been much better previous weeks.
I Like bruno Langleys character, i hope he comes back in the next series

Agreed. But only if he is under contract to get his kit off.

The Doctor only destroyed the white noise from the phone message, he did not remove what was in Adam's mind. If....as the Doctor proclaims that "there was too much information and it was forgotten when finished" then there would be no problem, but what if Adam's memory retains part of it...even a small part could be important and potentially able to alter more timelines.

The mobile phone has been used as a plot device on two seperate occasions and because it was used as a potentially destructive conduit between future and the present or depending on your point of view present and the past...I think if RTD wanted to just 'tidy up' the sequence...then Rose could have simply asked for the phone back. The fact she didn't is either an oversight on the writer's behalf or deliberate.

Maybe there will be a scene in the future where she wants to 'call someone' but can't because she no longer has the phone?

The thing is now....RTD has got a character left in 'mid-air', he could either not use the character again (i.e. - the role as a plot device has now finished) or he could expand on the character. The main fact remains is that the Doctor has altered the time line in 'creating' the opportunity for Adam to become a walking advertisement for future technology. I can't imagine this would be left in mid-air considering the amount of damage he could do to the Doctor. Like I said...he could either use this power himself or someone else could find it useful in the future.

Hi All,

I'm new round here so apologies if this has been mentioned before ... With all the talk about Adam being potentially on an evil path I remember something from 'Dalek' which seemed to stand out at the time. The Doctor made reference to the Daleks as being created by a 'genius' while Adam was continually referred to as a 'genius'. Just something that seemed strange at the time.

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Well Adam's only 20 the Daleks had been around for thousands of years
- anyway congratulations on your first post

I agree with you, complaceny would be a problem. So I hope that they don't sit on their laurels thinking that they don't need to keep things evolving.

Thanks for posting the ratings for every week of Doc Who so far BG.

I'm looking at the figures, and I don't think there's anything to get cocky about.

The Long Game got the second lowest ratings of all Doctor Who episodes so far,.....and it's competition was only Celebrity Wrestling ....

..So if this was against Ant and Dec instead, then it's quite possible that Ant and Dec could get around 7 or 8 million, and that 7.5 million for Doc Who could be reduced to around 6 million.
Getting 7.5 million against Celeb Wrestling is no great acheivement.
A popular ITV show could easily reduce that viewing figure.

I think Doctor Who is still reaping the benefits of it's initial honeymoon period. A popular show on ITV, and a fickle audience is all it takes to upturn the apple cart.

I don't think Doc Who is home and dry by any means. And I think that it has to still strive to be as good as it can be.
It's a tricky thing to acheive, but I think it needs to keep above a certain level of quality on a consistent basis, or the viewers could go wandering off as quickly as they came to the programme.

While I echo yours and the BG's sentiments and hopes, I'm not sure what the panic is about - the quality has been great so far and I see no evidence to say that it will diminish.

I think the other positive is that Ant and Dec weren't touched to any huge extent by Doctor Who's viewing figures. They were pulling in healthy numbers before and during DW's run - DW seemed to draw a new audience to Saturday - or at least attracted it from channels other than ITV1. Likewise DW's figures haven't gone up by the same amount who used to watch A & D, but aren't impressed by Celebrity Wrestling (and who can blame them).

Hi big_gav2,

After episode 2 I suggested that money was a major theme of the first two episodes.
I wrote a pretty big post about it in last week's thread about money, gree, human society, and what it holds dear.

Episode 1 was all about money and human society's obsession with it.

e.g. Rose living a mundane life, while the world around her is oriented towards making money.
Rose loses her job, her mum says she could get compenstation.
Rose's mum saying she needs to get work because she can't support her.
Rose's mum suggests a job to Rose that pays well.
The Doctor Jokes with Rose about the department store that he blew up was not having a price war with another store (I'm sure this line may hint that there's a cryptic clue here to the overall series, but I'm not sure yet).

In the entire episode, the subtext was that human society is geared towards making money, and a life geared towards ignoring what really matters as they concentrate on a hedonistic lifestyle.

I suggested this before, although it was a very weak idea.
He might have blown the cover on the goverment conspiracy if had lived.
I don't know what his job was in the series, but he could be a "David Kelly" type figure.
A car knocked him over, and the death could be reported as a tragic accident. But somebody might have deliberately run him over.

If his death is intrinsic to the whole story regarding the time line and the time war, then this is one possible reason.

In most of the stories so far we have seen the media attempting to control the public. The Slitheen, Van Statton, The Editor.
Rose's dad might have blown the coverup of the consipracy involving aliens controlling our media to keep us enslaved as sheep who are obsessed by our lifestyle and accept what the media tell us all too readily. He could have uncovered the coverup of aliens controlling us before it had a chance to start.

Or...if he had survived, it could have changed what Rose would have become in later life. If her dad had a good job, then Rose and her mum might not have been poor living on a council estate. Rose might have gone on to university, had a highly paid prestigious job, and become a completely different person who had some invovlement one way or another in the major conspiracy.

I watched my tape of it last night - excellent, as always.

I didnt mind Bruno Langley too much in Saturdays episode, at least he wasnt as wooden as he used to be in Corrie.

The pace of the episode was terrific, nothing flagged in it at all. Im hoping next weeks doesnt involve Rose's bloody Mother....

Oh and in Saturday nights episode, what year was it? 200,000 or something? And yet the girl who went to floor 500 to her death, fished out a torch that looked like the one my Grandad has in his garage...... HMMMM.

You have the 12th Doctor as a member of your family. You just didn't know it until now.

The theme was introduced back in episode 1 instantly, as soon as the opening sequence started.
Do you not remember the fast moving scenes in the business envirnment of London moving at breakneck speed intercut with Rose getting out of bed and getting ready for work?


In terms of setting up a story, episodes 1 and 2 were more about greed and money more than any other episodes.

Epsiode 1 showed us as we are now, all about money and how society stresses so much importance on it....then episode 2 shows us the consequence of our past, when Cassandara (amongst others) shows us what we evolve into in the future due to our past obsession with money.

I agree with Den Watts.

I'm sure it was a cryptic clue too which works on two levels.

Except that Russell T Davies has been quoted as saying.....

Wouldn't say I was in a panic at all Jimboc! While I am overjoyed that DW is performing reasonably well in the ratings I was just raising the issue that all the gloating over the opposition being defeated is pointless..would people be so magnanimous if the boot was on the other foot I wonder. For me the debate is the quality of the stories/scripts/directing/sfx and hearing constructive opinions and speculation about them and what the future holds. As we have seen so far the series is performing pretty well but if we cast our minds back to the 70's/80's it was then and a lot of people thought it was untouchable and we all know how that turned out. RTD has said he never listens to people who constantly lavish praise so I think all I and Alrightmate were trying to put across is the series has major strengths but it also has it weak points too, so hopefully RTD and co will learn from series one and make it shine just as brighter, if not more, in the next one.

ITV may be knocked down at the moment in the ratings war but it isn't out for the count.