Don't forget, it's the love of money that's the root of all evil - ie greed, notmoney in itself (or, as Douglas Adams said "it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy".)

K

PS, Seeing as how this series of DW is made by BBC Wales, are they going to change the song to "Men of Dalek"?

We all keep asuming that the wedding is that of Rose's mum and dad. Has there ever been any suggestion that this is actually the case?

Morning All

Sorry if the statements I make below have already been touched on, but I dont get chance to read every post on DW.

Ok so here is my thought.

Everyone has has made the connecting issues i.e. Bad Wolf, the Daleks return in 12 & 13, but having sat and watched The Long Game this morning the following thoughts hit me.

What if all the enemies from all the episodes return in 12 & 13, my reason for thinking this is:-

1) The autons several papers prior to and surrounding episode one seemed to link the autons with the slitheen, i just thought its the papers they have it wrong AGAIN! Personally the Autons return was a bit feeble they were present on screen probably for about 5 minutes of the show, and I appreciate the character building but for 30 years without the Autons I dont buy there return for 5 just 5 minutes.

2) The face of Boa in the publicity running up to the episode 1 & 2 CE appeared on Blue Peter in it he stated that the face of Boa would return in later a later episode. (this could just be the long game but i doubt it) he seems like quite a creation to be used once, DW confidential never made much of a fuss about him kind of playing him down. All the fuss was about Cassandra. Now Cassandra pointed the blame at Boa or at least tried to "talk to the face!". Several places reported in news (not just forums) that Cassandra maybe a porn prior to screening episode 2. So most of us fans knew she was the villain at the end prior to viewing.

3) The Gelth they are gas based creatures CE mentioned in interview that the Gelth were quite frightening and that they would be in future episodes (note episodes) I believe he first touched on this in Blue Peter, it was also mentioned in other publicity around the time episode 2 aired. The gelth seem able to invade the bodies of the dead.

4 & 5) Now on the Saturday that Aliens Of London was aired in the TV guide of the Daily Mirror they reported that the Slitheen were allies with the autons. They also stated about the Autons at a wax work now we know there was no mention of either Waxworks or the autons. However I remember vaguely reading in news on Outpost Gallery of Autons at the Waxworks. hmm was my thought. But again there is a lot of flannel surrounding these things so I just let it pass by, however it seemed strange that I had heard there was a connection between both the Autons & the Slitheen before.

6) Dalek widely rumoured since the day the episode format was revealed that the Daleks would return, hinted on several times, and originally is it Nick Briggs was listed as a Dalek voice in both 6 12 & 13 then removed for whatever reason.

7) The long Game the face of Boa appeared on screen briefly, The Editor rumoured in several places to be a re-occuring face. Adam being a bit devious (someone mentioned roses alarm by the way, every time roses alarm goes off or at least a similar noise it heard Adam is being devious) and then there is the Jagareth (or however spelt) now on DW Confidential there was a lot of how did he get there bobbins, and it was implied we would find out in further episodes.


So I have made a couple of what I consider links that others may or may not have mentioned appologies if they have. This Time war we know that the Timelords are involved and that the Daleks are involved but you would think for such a major thing to have occured they may not have been alone???? Our own realtime experience shows that in war there are never just 2 sides, there are third parties waiting for unique moments to attack, and allies. In Modern times there have never just been 2 sides.

In The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances there are Zombie type creatures wearing Gas masks, now there are three plays to gas These creatures (dead humans i believe) wearing gasmasks, the geth who seem attatched to gas, and The Slitheen who fart a lot. Although until aired nobody knows but maybe the gas theme is something.

This weeks DW confidential seemed keen to play up both the Editor, Davros, Van Stratton all of whome took more air time than given to both the Master and the Rani (maybe they were just thrown in for distraction).

I appreciate a lot of what i have said is rumours, but I know that many reading will have also read these rumours, I know that i'm not alone in reading them, or hearing them. As its all been in print or interview speech, I just dont have the time to find and quote exact sources. I feel these are relevant points that should not be dismissed.

I also again think and i have mentioned this before that RTD and friends are aiming at a audience of mainly children (obviously at the fans) but they have made it apparent that DW is for the kids of a new generation, so some of the deeper connections I have read on here I wonder if they are plausable what 7-12 year ld is going to sit and think of some of these intense connections. They just would not get it. I think the links will have to be something simple that any child could get there head round.

One final thing, The Radio times stated in a future episode the Doctor runs into someone he thought was dead, this could be a variety of things, but what if it was just Anne Robinson. If you went into the future and found Anne Robinsone (even if only a robot) you would be suprised.

Oh! And personally I dont think we have seen the last of Adam although I doubt played by Bruno Langley, there seemed to be too much attention paid to Adam's home (as mentioned on these posts) and the whole devious side surely wont just be left alone, as it asks too many questions! Do you not think?

Yes, I thought about this yesterday when someone said they couldn't get any references to greed or money from episode two, but as you say, there were plenty.

There is another one - Sneed said he got the propertly cheaply because of it being supposedly haunted, the notoriety was "good for business" because people expect that sort of thing in his trade.

From seeing the teaser trailer (the long compilation one) it isn't Jackie in the wedding dress, so I would think that she and Rose's dad are present at a friend's wedding.

Morning AM,

In the trailer for this week's episode, Rose says "he can't die alone" which I take to mean that she wants to be there for him for that reason and that reason alone. Obviously, however, her feelings get the better of her and she rushes out and saves him.... (is that her plan all along? )

I think the episode's other function is to demonstrate to the new audience the disastrous consequences of interfering with time, i.e. Rose's interference saving her father has disrupted the timelines and unleashed the reapers upon the world (and who knows what other consequences further along the timeline?).

Or as Samuel L Jackson said in those bank adverts "If chickens were currency, would chickens be evil?"

Buk buk buk buuuuk.

I see on the official BBC DW site there is a flash pic of a Wolf which when you click on bad wolf comes up. anyone know anything else about this?

yes, lol


Its mentioned earlier in the thread, and in light of other evidence is actually pretty worthless, i'm not having a knock when I say that its just its a picture of a wolf. And everyone is already aware of the whole bad wolf thing. Just nobody really knows where it will take us.

If you go to mickey's website; http://www.whoisdoctorwho.co.uk/ you'll see the doctor and rose are in the wedding video....

EDIT- though in fairness you could be right, it says 'a' wedding video not 'her' (jackie's) wedding video....
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The daily mirror is not a good source for who- they ran a totally wrong plot synopsis for ep 6 which had been made up by one of the posters on outpost gallifrey.

I appreciate that, but it was not the first time I had heard mention of both Waxworks and a relationship between the Slitheen and the Autons, the Daily Mirror was the only source I could remember exactly where I read it.

Apparently according to SCFI Slim alien wrath, Tom Baker is to appear in one of the unamed episodes. Information is thin on the ground at the moment. I'll keep you updated as soon as I get it !

Tom Baker confirmed he has no involvement with this series of Doctor Who, rumours have been abound for a year that he was coming back in one form or another, but in an interview in one of the "proper" sunday papers several weeks back he said he was not going to appear!

I think RTD is on record as saying he seriously considered giving TB a part but decided it'd be too weird.

You never know though, maybe in the david walliams ep, if that happens.

BBC do have in place gagging orders on certain episodes. So lets hope it comes true.

I've heard from a friend in the BBC that next season there will be an episode called 'the 10 doctors'. The Time Lord teams up with his previous selves to combat the Master who has gained control of the Cybermen.
I suspect it'll be the first time ever that the Tardis will be full.

Cant wait !

Hows can that be possible, seeing as how the first 3 Actors who played the Doctor are no longer alive?

LOL!

Anyway, a mole tells me TB is to write an episode. Sure he'll make a better job of it than RTD funboy David Walliams! The last person I'd let write a Who script - what is RTD trying to do!? Sooner he's just put back in charge of writing the "Radio Times" entries, the better!

Remember the Five doctors ? Tom Baker wasn't to be seen (apart from a floating background image) was he ? Watch this space (time, continuim).

It promises to be a right corker.

How many more Doctors will there be. Sir Ian Mikellen is doing the rounds at the moment He'd make a great Doctor ! Peter jackson said Sir Ian will be to old to perform in the hobbit in 4yrs. Ian replied who is this jackson guy wheres teddy gone ?

hey all - not strictly Doctor Who related, but I'm sure many of you will be smugly satisfied to learn that,

"ITV has bowed to the inevitable and pulled Celebrity Wrestling from its early Saturday evening slot after the struggling reality show continued to be bashed in the ratings by BBC1's Doctor Who."

we win!

(source - mediaguardian)

They did it before long after William Hartnell died, they cast a look-a-like for the Five Doctors. Tom Baker appeared only in film shot for the never aired serial 'Shada', and his waxwork stood in for him in the publicity shots.

In all my years of being a fan I've never actually know what medical field the Doctor is actually in !

I don't want to seem negative here we can't have people running around the universe pretending to be a Doctor when in fact he isn't ! There's laws against these sort of things !