...or did he/she/it ?

Me too - I think it will be a corker! It's written by Paul Cornell, who's written some of the best Who stuff I've ever read. I hope this translates well onto the screen.

The Reapers look amazing too!

Bwhahaha...'sofa-jobbie'!

Is that the same as a 'couch-poo'?

Sorry... just found that highly amusing.

Apart from all the ones in the final two episodes, who having not been contaminated with Rose's DNA, will be normal disfunctional "Two fuses short of a brain hemorage" type that is liked by everyone.

IE If we can see them twice is the same series after being told that they are now all gone, then we can see them again in future series whenever the writers wish.

ay, now, I can feel this going the same way as starwars.

Face it guys if you look hard enough there are going to be plot holes and bits that dont make sense.

Lets face it if they had all the technical knowledge of time travel that doctor who is meant to have, they wouldnt be writing tv episodes for the bbc theyd be off making their own tardis.

why did starwars seem so great as a kid, because, ure gullible as a child, when han says he's reversing the polarity of the hyperfield and your 10, you just think, oh right ... fair enough space talk.

when your an adult you think, what the hell is he talking about, how would that work then ten minutes later your still trying to get your head round what he said he was doing to the hyper field and in the meantime youve missed two space battles and a lightsaber fight.

Ive enjoyed these episodes of doctor who and i think i know why.

by 7 pm on a saturday, im usually pretty stoned. So I dont care if the old Doc uses his sonic screwdriver for everything, i just giggle at the silly noise it makes.

infact I might name my bong the tardis cos it lets me travel time and space.

The Darleks (plural) in the last two episodes, are they all going to be the all new Goldie XR3i model ?

Or what other pretty colours are we gonna get?

Lime green?
Passionfruit Pink?
Electric Orange?

A thought about the Slitheen:

It's been asked why the Slitheen should choose the Earth as their target, when it would be easier to irradiate an uninhabited world.

How about...

The Slitheen were paid by [insert your villain of choice here] to destroy the Earth because that would remove it from the timeline.

I mentioned somewhere that the only way to destroy Gallifrey would be to attack it in several times at once - creating unmanageable paradoxes.

If Earth is the lynch-pin of the future (cradle of civilisation etc.) then it's removal would give another race the chance to seed the universe.

If we look at The End of the World, the timeline seems OK. Our villain [insert your villain of choice here] decides that the human race SHALL NOT become the dominant species. So he/she/it goes back to several key points in Earth's history in an attempt to find a weak spot in the timeline:

1869 with the Gelth
2005 with the Nestene
2006 the Slitheen
200000 the jaggedlyspeckledgooglewhatsitofthejaffacake (or somesuch)

Luckily the Doctor - perhaps guided by some higher force (which would explain the TARDIS going off course) - is always there to thwart [insert your villain of choice here]'s evil plans.

Any thought's?

Sounds as good as any to me.
Especially if the [insert your villain of choice here] is called Bad Wolf.

I don't think you need a Tardis if you've got a bong!

Yes, a few - but I have to go out into the real world
I'll post later.
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You can add the events of 'the end of the world' to that too. I know the Earth is uninhabited at that point too, but it is still about the destruction of the Earth from existence. I mean the National Trust (that's what is was wans't it?) was involved in keeping the Sun back from engulfing the Earth. But the money ran out, so the Sun was allowed to expand.

Someone was funding the National Trust to pay for the upkeep of the Earth, and it would be know that if the national trust couldn't afford the upkeep, no one would bother. So the 'enemy' cuts off all funding to the national trust, and hey-presto, the Earth is gone in another point in history.

If people are sent back (simultaneously from a single point in history to destrpy the Earth or destroy humanity at various times then it would only need one to succedd. If more than one were to succeed, like you say, it would result in many paradoxes, which would make it very difficult for anyone to go about trying to undo the destruction at any one point in history.

So, really the only episode where the future of humanity (as history records it) or the destruction of humanity, or the destruction of the Earth hasn't been directly seen is in Dalek...but even then, if the Dalek had gotten out it may have been able to kill all humans and wipe us off the Earth and out of history.

Maybe it is just good TV which needs the Human race to be under threat or the Earth to be threatend in ordr to have a good story on Earth, but then we are assuming the staying on Earth was only deliberate in order to keep a point of reference for new viewers to settle into the show with. It may be that that the staying on Earth was deliberate in order to show humanity and the Earth being attacked/held back/ tried to be destroyed at various parts of our history.

Only if you're a couch pootato?

K

Curse you for thinking of that before I did!

Gary

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Beth.

Here, here! I'm all for bringing back Mr McCoy as much as possible. Actually, that might be a way around the 'maximum number of regenerations' problem

The Slitheen deliberately targetting Earth: this is looking more and more likely as the series progresses. There's obviously more going on in each episode than meets the eye. BG thinks there could be a consortium of businessmen, I originally thought the Master would be involved (I still wouldn't be surprised) and Alrightmate/yourself think it may be Fenric (if I remember rightly?)

I also agree with Alrightmate's ideas that this series is very much 'of the day' and would be willing to bet that the people behind this trouble would be terrorists - time terrorists? Which leads us back to Faction Paradox (although they may not have that particular name in this new series.)

I don't know whether the Tardis is deliberately going astray due to some influence or it's just the Doctor's erratic ability to control it properly. If it is deliberate, then we should be expecting to see the Guardians reappear later in the series (possibly at the end if the destruction of Gallifrey is reversed). If not, then I'm not sure where this leaves us.

I'm not sure about the Guardians - I don't know if RTD would want to delve that deeply into the history of the classic series at this point

Since we have a 'money is the root of all evil' theme going on, maybe the terrorists are sponsored by the consortium (indirectly of course - nothing that could leave a trail).

Regarding the destruction of Gallifrey, wouldn't another way of destroying it be to go back before it's creation and destroy it then? (OK, I know we have the transduction barriers, but if they were lowered or destroyed by a traitor then wouldn't that be possible too?)

Even Timelords are forbidden to go back into Gallifrey's past in case they alter something and prevent the Gallifreyan discovery of time travel. (another part of Blinovitch I think?).

I need to think about this some more.

I felt cursed, even as I typed it (hence the embarrassed smiley!). I can't stop whistling the 'woad' song now!

K

This is the only bit I'm still pondering.

I agree that multiple paradoxes would create great difficulty for the Timelords, but if I remember rightly, Gallifrey and the Timelords are unique in all the possible timelines/multiverse?
i.e. isn't there only one Gallifrey?

Stop it - I keep replaying the scene where Daffyd (sp) from Little Britain went off in a fury to the blacksmith's for buying the only copy of GT

ipod Daleks - 4 or 6 Gb fitted?

H

There is only one Gallifrey, as you so rightly point out.

BUT...

If a time-savvy race were to attack the planet simutaneously (from their timeline) at different points in Gallifrey's timeline, then there would be a catastrophic temporal paradox effect.

(I think).

Even if Gallifrey survived an individual attack, the fact that they had to divert resources to fighting a war would set them back (rather like the intervention of "Max" in The Long Game).

Ennough setback & invasions would weaken the Timelords enough to finish them off for good.

Even writing this makes my head hurt!

IMDB list him as a real actor, but has anyone else noticed that there's an actor in the final 2 episodes "Sebastian Armesto" whose character is not listed, whose surname is almost an anagram of ...

Yes, it's making my head hurt too - and I never had these problems before. I blame it on being an impressionable teenager when McCoy was the Doctor - I've grown up a bit since then!

I really need to think about this some more - the problem I'm having is that this Doctor takes himself and Rose back twice to the same point in history next week, where they end up meeting themselves. If there simply are no more 'rules' to prevent that, then the Doctor going back to the timewar and changing what happened could be resolved as simply as that.

Well, his surname is an anagram of 'maestro' if that's any help.

For anyone who's daft enough to want the words...

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archi...woad-song.html

Sorry if you don't!

K