He's also in Hawking, BBC2 Sunday 15th, 20.00.

The Doctor did say that it was the last of the great time war which kind of implies that there was more than one.

maybe the rules of time were changed with the time war?

"Sebastian Armesto" = "Season Bait: Master"

You are Richard Stilgoe AICMFP

Gary

Was that in the trailer? We (well, I) saw one Doc 'n' Rose observing another Doc 'n' Rose, but not interacting with them.

If it was the second Rose who saves her dad, then she and second Doc could, possibly ,be erased from the timeline (or at the very least never meet up), leaving first Doc 'n' Rose to sort out second Rose's mess.

I think I've now reached the point where the videocams kept pulling their own plugs out at the start of Red Dwarf VII

Gary

The difference here could be that first Rose and the Doctor and the second Rose and Doctor and go back to the time the first exist and see themselves.

But with the Time Lords and the Time war they no longer exist. I'm assuming the Time War wiped the Time Lords out of existance in all time. Hence where ever in time and space the Time War happened there no longer qwill be any Time Lords there. For all intents and purposes, the Time War happeneing wiped the event of the Time War from history.

No one can go back an interfeer with it as there is nothing left to interfeer with. The only refernece to it is in peoples memories who were affected by it.

I know what I'm saying if full of paradoxes, but I'm expecting there to be some greater power or 'atuomatic time-event regualor' built into the universe which sorts out time paradoxes so the overall universe is more stable. I'm guess the choice the Doctor was told to make by whatever regulates the univerese was whether to get the most stable universe, best for most people, or to save his own species...we know they way he decided.

I know they no longer exist. But there IS still one Timelord left - the Doctor himself. And HE has always had rules - otherwise, he would have let Adam carry on with his universal exploitation and continue to make money for himself, at the expense of the timelines.
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If you read the chronology of Gallifrey, there were many time wars.

Chronology of Gallifrey.

With particular reference to the Daleks.

Sorry to cut in on the thread, but i just have to say that i completely fail to see how Doctor Who has any appeal. I have honestly tried to enjoy it but it drives me utterly insane.

What's the appeal? I think it's one of these black and white issues. If you love it, you LOVE it and if you hate it you truly and utterly HATE it. There can be no middle ground!

I can't explain my hatred properly and i'm sorry for that, but i know it exists and that i can never get over it. I remember having exactly the same feeling back in the 80s when it was on as i do now. I used to have nightmares about Tom Baker.

But if any of you could try and what the appeal of it is i would be grateful

love from a curious outsider, forever to be excluded from Doctor Who love xx

Would you like a jelly baby?

LMAO!

You can dislike it if you want. There isn't a law saying that you have to like it

But what exactly do you dislike about it and in what way does this emotion present itself?

IE - You don't like Si-Fi at all and it bores you to death.

So what is it you don't like: the Si-Fi? the general basic storyline of a Timelord wizzing around the place? etc...

And what emotion does that bring forth: bordom, being scared or you think that it is dum... etc

Maybe we can cure you!

Erm yes.
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Erm no - but everyone is welcome.

Do you honestly want to know what the appeal is to some people?

I don't know. People are different.
Some people like things that reflect their own life, or give something familar to them, some people like pure escapism and fantasy, and like to have their imagination fired with "What if?" kinds of questions.
And some people like a bit of both.

And no, it's not something you either "love or hate". I do wish people will stop saying this on DS now.
Not having a go at you, it's just that term gets used too much now.
I know you don't like Doctor Who, so you proabably don't read right through the threads, but you see many people not just loving OR hating it, you get many of the same people both criticising some things about an episode and ALSO finding something good from it.
Sometimes I myself just tear into an episode that I didn't like.
So it's not like these threads are really full of nothing but praise as you might think. A lot of mixed views get posted in these threads that can range from positive to negative.

What do you yourself want from television Laura?
Do you like other kinds of drama?
Or is it just science fiction type stuff you don't like?
Do you like fantasy fiction of any kind, or do you just like fiction that is based closer to real life?

Hi Den,

When I mentioned terrorists, I didn't mean in the way you are describing them.

RTD is messing about with ambiguity I think.
And what are one person's terrorists are another person's freedom fighters.

The terrorists I was thinking of are the terrorists that the powers that be would call terrorists.

It was when I saw the last episode that the idea seemed more likely.
That girl who got promoted to floor 500, and was then revealed to be a freedom fighter, that was the kind of terrorist I was thinking of before.
And I think in "Boom Town" we'll see a lot of them.

I was thinking the "terrorists" or freedom fighters, are fighting against what appears to be a galactic version of a New World Order.
This reflects the real world, and parelells with the globalisation that is spreading around the world with multinational business in league with the governments of G8 countries etc.

So I wasn't referring to the perpetrators of the Time War being the terrorists, because it seems that they are probably holding most of the power anyway.
I was referring to the rebel factions on Earth who are fighting against the powers that be and their business corporations, as being the terrorists, or freedom fighters. However you want to describe them.

Did I hear correctly during that episode? Wasn't Suki the last of that particular group?

K

Has anyone caught a documentary called Planet Of The Doctor on cbc.ca?
[list=1][*]Who is the Doctor?[*]Fandemonium[*]The Adventures of Doctor Who[*]Time Travel[*]The Influence of Doctor Who[*]Conclusion[/list]

Apologies if this has already been posted but I just read this on outpost gallifrey and it made me chuckle

http://www.ananova.com/entertainment...m_1388293.html

Isn't David Walliams writing an episode of DW for the new series?

In the episode Dalek (Davros bless him) !
In his conversation with the Doctor, he asks about the war 'did the traitor escape' ! any ideas what the bucket of bolts was on about ?

Hehe, great stuff
Can't wait to see it.

I believe the doctor isn't the doctor, as he has not once eaten a jelly baby.

Could you mean "coward" instead of "traitor"?

Conversation goes something like this:

Dalek: You destroyed us?
Doc: I had no choice.
Dalek: And what of the Timelords?
Doc: Dead. They burned with you, in the last Great Time-War.
Dalek: And the coward survived?
Doc: Oh, and I caught your little signal... "help me", poor little thing...

Makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, that scene, and is probably the scene anyone who has a problem understanding the attraction of this show should watch. If you don't get it after that, then no point explaining further.

Anyway, was that it? Or perhaps there is a reference to "traitor" elsewhere...?

Only thing wrong with that scene - Eccleston was superb - but the Dalek forgot he was a Dalek, and started cracking up long before Rose touched it. Bit of a wimpy schizo-Dalek if you ask me...

It was a bit more intelligent than your typical 'grunt' Dalek - it manipulated Rose into feeling sorry for it so she would touch it, and so it could regenerate from her DNA.