But all aliens could be descended from humans.

If the Forest of Cheem in episode 2 can come from humans, then they all can.

Cassandra talked about other races descending from humans to great extent. She called them "mongrels", "digi-humans", "proto-humans".

mondas, kaelds, gallifreyans,...they are just names.
There's nothing to prevent humans spawning new races. It's what evolution is all about.
And if there's any inconsistency with certain races being around at certain times in earth's pre-history, then time travel can allow for those problems of continuity.

The Tardis' phone number is programmed into Rose's mobile - the Doctor rang her from the Tardis in the AOL/WW3 story, and TARDIS flashed up on it's screen.

It's when the Doctor explained he'd always had a phone in the Tardis - "how do you think I managed all these years without a phone?"

Absolutely!

One other thing I'm confused about...

Can't remember if I read about this on Outpost Gallifrey or wherever, but yesterday in my wanderings around the web, I read that

Boomtown: To London of the future, which has been destroyed. The Doctor comes across someone who he thought was long dead, when the survivors tell of an immortal alien they have captuired.

I thought Boomtown was supposed to be a revisit to Cardiff, only in the present day?

Which could be why aliens always want to
destroy the earth

As in ridding of there homeland,
there last link to humanity

So would this mean that before
the birth of mankind
there was nothing alive in outer space ?

Would this make the dinosaurs unique ?
THe only living creatures before life in the universe

and insects


oooh ,now thats got me thinking........

quick edit:


Actually there could have been other beings
living on far flung planets at the time of the dinosaurs
but the humans wiped them out
when they reached these planets

maybe ?

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the final Barb figure for the Dalek episode was 8.63 million - which meant the episode was snapping right at the heels of EastEnders having soundly beaten both Casualty and Holby City.

http://www.barb.co.uk/viewingsummary...klyterrestrial

It has been stated that boomtown is set in cardiff. Hell I hardly think bbc wales would agree to produce a series unless at least a couple of eps were set in wales, no?

This is very true as when Rose asked Cassandra what happened to the rest of the human race she told her that they went out into the universe and touched every star.

Much speculation on the identity of the guest in Boomtown... must be someone the Doctor has known for a while, rather than a person he met in this series given the emphasis being placed on them being an old friend. So it must be someone from his past who he thought dead rather than the speculation that is a Slitheen that survived..think a number of people are glad to see the back of them.
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But it wasn't quoted that they were a friend, simply someone the Doctor thought was long dead. Didn't a few people say that Annette Badland's character had survived, as they had seen her filming around one of the Universities in Wales recently?

Although I think we haven't seen the last of the Slitheen, I don't think this is referring to her. Nor Romana, the Rani, the Meddling Monk or Uncle Tom Cobley.

I hope if it's anyone from the classic series, it's the Master.

I sincerely hope it's not Davros.
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OK, a bit more speculation:

(From BBC press release for episode 9, "The Empty Child")

"It is 1941 and the Blitz is raging. A mysterious cylinder is being guarded by the Army, while homeless children, living on the bombsites, are being terrorised by an unearthly child."

What do you make of that? Another blind alley, or a significant development in the 'story arc'?

Hmm, sounds a bit like the 'severed child' idea in 'His Dark Materials' ? No bad thing if it is, coz 'personal daemons' was a fantastic concept...

K

I was more intrigued by that particular choice of words (sad anorak that I am)... "An Unearthly Child" being the title of the first televised DW episode. The child in that instance was Susan, the Doctor's "granddaughter" and travelling companion. And, perhaps more significantly in this case, one of the Doctor's own race.

The forest of Cheem did NOT descend from humans. They originated from earth (trees) she was a silver birch..

The unearthly child reference's a red herring imo.

But if there are new species eveolved from humanity in the far reaches of space and they are trying to destroy earth in the past then aren't they then riskinf altering their own past- possibly changing their evolutionary timeline?

Unless the cradle of civilisation(humankind??) did not originally evolve on earth- perhaps it was a penal conoly millenia ago, and now look how we've evolved.

Cj

Fenric????

Cj

When it comes to somene that the doctor thinks is dead, would it not make more sense if it was someone frrom this series, just as not to alienate the new viewers. I think it would be good for ALL viewers to be able to say 'gosh, i thought you were dead!' and not just the loyal who-ites.

So this has gotten me thinking; who do we know has died this series?

Ep 1: Mark benton ( the web guy), The nestene consciousness

Ep2: Cassandra, The blue platform one guy, The blue plumber, Jabe

Ep 3: The maid, The Gelth, Charles Dickens
Ep4 & 5: the slitheen, The british parliamentary cabinet, the pig
Ep 6: The dalek creation when dalek met rose (dalek v rose = da v ros ???), vanstratten (Missing)
Ep 7: Suki, The editor, the mighty fragglerock.


Please add any I have missed.

Anyone thought that maybe the 'friend' could be jabe?

Cj

aparently they originated from a farmer that had a bit of a wild night and woke up in bed with an oak tree

Is that a branch or are you just pleased to see me?

'actually its a clipping from my grandfather............a gift of peace!'

Cj

Well the fact SFX said in their DW special 11 is "an episode to show off modern cardiff" that does tend to suggest Gwyneth, although I would say again Terry Nations estate could have well have insisted on davros being in the series.

Now there is a character I wouldn't mind seeing again as thought she was well played by Yasmin Bannerman and I don't think we saw the full potential of that character.

A modern Cardiff that is perhaps a set created for a reality tv survival show hosted in the future by the editor and his sponsor, the Face of Boe.


Cj

As I said previously Cj, the quote doesn't say a friend (or foe), simply someone the Doctor thought was long dead.

And yes, I agree it would be logical for it to be someone from this new series, although it would be no big deal to discover that there was one other Timelord out there - the fact that the Doctor keeps repeating he is the last one (when in fact he may not be) will surely give the new viewers a surprise.

I'd have a fiver on Annette Badland's Slitheen though, if really pressed.

Plus the doctor grew very attached to her.

One thing i did mean to ask is; if The time lords and gallifrey were wiped from the time line completely, how did Jabes gizmo recognise the time lord? there would be no records. I'm sorry if someone has already answered this

Cj

Your right - they could have. But I hope the BBC managed to decline their kind offer.