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Old 07-05-2005, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
The "corrupting all" part I think is what is significant.
If people are greedy for their own self interests then they are easier to manipulate when it comes to winning the hearts and minds of them if a government wants to go to war.
Being fed false news information is one part of it, another part is to instill fear (which was briefly mentioned in the episode.
And I believe cheap trashy TV entertainment is the other method to keep the public dumbed down and keep them as controlled masses.

I wouldn't worry too much about the future episode that shows who has installed the Jagrafess. It's only part of the story, it doesn't mean the entire episode will be about the monster.

I reckon it might be the Face of Boe who was briefly shown at the start of the episode.
It was the Face of Boe who brought everyone together on Platform One in episode 2: The end of the world.
We had plumbing problems in both episodes.

The Face of Boe is probably controlling everything.

Do you remember my suggestion that "Bad Wolf" may actually be the name of a reality TV gameshow?
Well I reckon that in episode 12. The reality Game show will be called "Bad Wolf"

Big Bad Wolf - Big Brother.

The people who love reality TV can often get very obsessed with that genre. Manipulation is rife, and I suppose a lot of control can be obtained over the public.
It is powerful enough to get more people voting for a reality TV show than actually voting in a general election. I think Russell T Davies may play with this idea.

The Face of Boe is probably the organiser of voyeuristic television as part of his powerful media corporation.
The gathering of the great and good in episode 2 on platform one was probably one example.
"Indupitably, this is a Bad Wolf scenario"
The Moxx of Balhoon could well have been talking about the gathering of people to watch the destruction of a planet. That may be what he was referring to as a Bad Wolf scenario, nothing to do with the Doctor.

i.e....a Bad Wolf scenario is probably a scenario that involves people watching something as voyeuristic entertainment.

Gwyneth said that Rose has seen "The Big Bad Wolf".

A Bad Wolf may be reality TV where people can pay tpo watch things such as wars, death, and destruction.
The attempted invasion of the Nestene, the Gelth, and the attempt by the Slitheen......a Bad Wolf scenario.
The actual destruction of a planet....the ultimate in voyeuristic entertainment......a Big Bad Wolf scenario. That could have been the Big Bad Wolf that Rose had seen according to Gwyneth, we know that Rose had just seen the destrcution of a planet in the previous episode.
The darkness may or may not be the space surrounding Earth when it was destroyed. The Darkness, the Big Bad Wolf.....The darkness of outer Space, the death of a planet.

The Tardis, or Tardis's(Tardi?) is/are probably the star of the reality show called "Bad Wolf", and is being controlled by teleporting people to big events like wars so that others can watch as pay per view reality TV.

So....Bad Wolf could well be a reality entertainment organisation which gets customers to watch wars and the destruction of planets as pay per view television, or as media events such as observation of the destruction of planets.
And Bad Wolf may be the name of the Big Brother style gameshow in episode 12, where the Tardis is being directed to special events in history where alien invasions are attempted, and the Doctor is being watched and observed for the voyeuristic amusement of a future audience who get off by being titillated by gawping at the ultimate in death and excitement and misfortune of others. Even wars are used as entertainment in the future.

That's what I'm thinking as a possibility any way.

Great idea and very feasible! Do you think that the Doctor will be sent back to the Time War or are you thinking another kind of battle?
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:20
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I have a feeling that next weeks is going to be along the lines of "City on the Edge of Forever" - ie: Rose has to allow events to unfold without interferring to save mankind. Or something.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:24
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
The "corrupting all" part I think is what is significant.
If people are greedy for their own self interests then they are easier to manipulate when it comes to winning the hearts and minds of them if a government wants to go to war.
Being fed false news information is one part of it, another part is to instill fear (which was briefly mentioned in the episode.
And I believe cheap trashy TV entertainment is the other method to keep the public dumbed down and keep them as controlled masses.

I wouldn't worry too much about the future episode that shows who has installed the Jagrafess. It's only part of the story, it doesn't mean the entire episode will be about the monster.

I reckon it might be the Face of Boe who was briefly shown at the start of the episode.
It was the Face of Boe who brought everyone together on Platform One in episode 2: The end of the world.
We had plumbing problems in both episodes.

The Face of Boe is probably controlling everything.

Do you remember my suggestion that "Bad Wolf" may actually be the name of a reality TV gameshow?
Well I reckon that in episode 12. The reality Game show will be called "Bad Wolf"

Big Bad Wolf - Big Brother.

The people who love reality TV can often get very obsessed with that genre. Manipulation is rife, and I suppose a lot of control can be obtained over the public.
It is powerful enough to get more people voting for a reality TV show than actually voting in a general election. I think Russell T Davies may play with this idea.

The Face of Boe is probably the organiser of voyeuristic television as part of his powerful media corporation.
The gathering of the great and good in episode 2 on platform one was probably one example.
"Indupitably, this is a Bad Wolf scenario"
The Moxx of Balhoon could well have been talking about the gathering of people to watch the destruction of a planet. That may be what he was referring to as a Bad Wolf scenario, nothing to do with the Doctor.

i.e....a Bad Wolf scenario is probably a scenario that involves people watching something as voyeuristic entertainment.

Gwyneth said that Rose has seen "The Big Bad Wolf".

A Bad Wolf may be reality TV where people can pay tpo watch things such as wars, death, and destruction.
The attempted invasion of the Nestene, the Gelth, and the attempt by the Slitheen......a Bad Wolf scenario.
The actual destruction of a planet....the ultimate in voyeuristic entertainment......a Big Bad Wolf scenario. That could have been the Big Bad Wolf that Rose had seen according to Gwyneth, we know that Rose had just seen the destrcution of a planet in the previous episode.
The darkness may or may not be the space surrounding Earth when it was destroyed. The Darkness, the Big Bad Wolf.....The darkness of outer Space, the death of a planet.

The Tardis, or Tardis's(Tardi?) is/are probably the star of the reality show called "Bad Wolf", and is being controlled by teleporting people to big events like wars so that others can watch as pay per view reality TV.

So....Bad Wolf could well be a reality entertainment organisation which gets customers to watch wars and the destruction of planets as pay per view television, or as media events such as observation of the destruction of planets.
And Bad Wolf may be the name of the Big Brother style gameshow in episode 12, where the Tardis is being directed to special events in history where alien invasions are attempted, and the Doctor is being watched and observed for the voyeuristic amusement of a future audience who get off by being titillated by gawping at the ultimate in death and excitement and misfortune of others. Even wars are used as entertainment in the future.

That's what I'm thinking as a possibility any way.
Hmmm, yes, but I don't think it's quite as simple as that.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:26
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Originally Posted by craggers
http://www.whoisdoctorwho.co.uk/ been updated, but is this a week out of synch?
Ah, no...the events don't get show until next week for us, but as the site shows, they actually happened in the 80's and Mickey must have only just found them.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:26
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is there a connection with bad wolf, the face in the glass that was on TV and the claim that he was "pregnant"? Maybe a signifier to the birth of the new doctor?

ps- im crap at stuff, but just thought it might be significant
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:27
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Originally Posted by James2001
On www.whoisdoctorwho.co.uk :

It's a Geocomtex competition, so is this how he got involved with Van Statten in the first place?
Ooo, circular logic.....very clever of the Beeb.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:28
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Just seen the Bad Wolf TV thing. You have to pause and look at the logo top left in the video screen when the woman is explaining the function of the station to the Doctor.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:28
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Originally Posted by emsee
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the BBC were going to look into this problem as most of the programmes are 'proof listened to' using high quality headphones or audio systems in the editing studios and not normal household TV sets, the latter of which don't tend to have the dynamic range and clarity of professional equipment.
Funny you should say that. I get around the problem by listening via the hi-fi and headphones.

A programme where I can't make out a word become crystal clear.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:33
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
The "corrupting all" part I think is what is significant.
If people are greedy for their own self interests then they are easier to manipulate when it comes to winning the hearts and minds of them if a government wants to go to war.
Being fed false news information is one part of it, another part is to instill fear (which was briefly mentioned in the episode.
And I believe cheap trashy TV entertainment is the other method to keep the public dumbed down and keep them as controlled masses.

I wouldn't worry too much about the future episode that shows who has installed the Jagrafess. It's only part of the story, it doesn't mean the entire episode will be about the monster.

I reckon it might be the Face of Boe who was briefly shown at the start of the episode.
It was the Face of Boe who brought everyone together on Platform One in episode 2: The end of the world.
We had plumbing problems in both episodes.

The Face of Boe is probably controlling everything.

Do you remember my suggestion that "Bad Wolf" may actually be the name of a reality TV gameshow?
Well I reckon that in episode 12. The reality Game show will be called "Bad Wolf"

Big Bad Wolf - Big Brother.

The people who love reality TV can often get very obsessed with that genre. Manipulation is rife, and I suppose a lot of control can be obtained over the public.
It is powerful enough to get more people voting for a reality TV show than actually voting in a general election. I think Russell T Davies may play with this idea.

The Face of Boe is probably the organiser of voyeuristic television as part of his powerful media corporation.
The gathering of the great and good in episode 2 on platform one was probably one example.
"Indupitably, this is a Bad Wolf scenario"
The Moxx of Balhoon could well have been talking about the gathering of people to watch the destruction of a planet. That may be what he was referring to as a Bad Wolf scenario, nothing to do with the Doctor.

i.e....a Bad Wolf scenario is probably a scenario that involves people watching something as voyeuristic entertainment.

Gwyneth said that Rose has seen "The Big Bad Wolf".

A Bad Wolf may be reality TV where people can pay tpo watch things such as wars, death, and destruction.
The attempted invasion of the Nestene, the Gelth, and the attempt by the Slitheen......a Bad Wolf scenario.
The actual destruction of a planet....the ultimate in voyeuristic entertainment......a Big Bad Wolf scenario. That could have been the Big Bad Wolf that Rose had seen according to Gwyneth, we know that Rose had just seen the destrcution of a planet in the previous episode.
The darkness may or may not be the space surrounding Earth when it was destroyed. The Darkness, the Big Bad Wolf.....The darkness of outer Space, the death of a planet.

The Tardis, or Tardis's(Tardi?) is/are probably the star of the reality show called "Bad Wolf", and is being controlled by teleporting people to big events like wars so that others can watch as pay per view reality TV.

So....Bad Wolf could well be a reality entertainment organisation which gets customers to watch wars and the destruction of planets as pay per view television, or as media events such as observation of the destruction of planets.
And Bad Wolf may be the name of the Big Brother style gameshow in episode 12, where the Tardis is being directed to special events in history where alien invasions are attempted, and the Doctor is being watched and observed for the voyeuristic amusement of a future audience who get off by being titillated by gawping at the ultimate in death and excitement and misfortune of others. Even wars are used as entertainment in the future.

That's what I'm thinking as a possibility any way.
Another amazingly well thought out view on tonights show alrightmate. You never fail to amaze me with your take on episodes....they always give me a lot to think about.

As soon as you started with the Face of Boe, I was sitting going 'of course!', from then I was hooked...

Very VERY well thought out speculation

God I love this place

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Old 07-05-2005, 21:36
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Well, as usual, I thought it was excellent (and voted as such)

Dr Who will never be crap for me, after all I've waited 16 years for it to come back to its rightful home - BBC1 Saturday evenings.....

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Old 07-05-2005, 21:38
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Have I got tinnitus, or do we keep hearing Rose's alarm clock throughout the episode?
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:42
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
Have I got tinnitus, or do we keep hearing Rose's alarm clock throughout the episode?
I heard the exact same sound as well but assumed it was a generic sound that was used for the show. I'm not if it is significant or not.

The odd thing is, it's the exact same alarm sound that my alarm clock has, lol So when I hear it i keep looking at my alarm clock
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:44
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Originally Posted by CreativEssence
I heard the exact same sound as well but assumed it was a generic sound that was used for the show. I'm not if it is significant or not.

The odd thing is, it's the exact same alarm sound that my alarm clock has, lol So when I hear it i keep looking at my alarm clock
Oh GOD NO ! Don't you dare, Mr Davies. If this is all Rose's dream....
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:45
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
The "corrupting all" part I think is what is significant.
If people are greedy for their own self interests then they are easier to manipulate when it comes to winning the hearts and minds of them if a government wants to go to war.
Being fed false news information is one part of it, another part is to instill fear (which was briefly mentioned in the episode.
And I believe cheap trashy TV entertainment is the other method to keep the public dumbed down and keep them as controlled masses.
Indeed, when I was watching that I immediately thought of "The Power Of Nightmares."
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:46
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Originally Posted by CreativEssence
I heard the exact same sound as well but assumed it was a generic sound that was used for the show. I'm not if it is significant or not.

The odd thing is, it's the exact same alarm sound that my alarm clock has, lol So when I hear it i keep looking at my alarm clock
Is it another reference to the theme of 'time' which seems to be running throughout this series, as BG pointed out?
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:46
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Originally Posted by qpw3141
Hmmm, yes, but I don't think it's quite as simple as that.
LOL...I wasn't claiming that this was the entire story. It was just a brief possible outline structure.
I have other ideas that tie in to the structure, it's just that I'm not going to spend all night writing them.

I posted a large amount of my speculations on a more complete structure on a Doc Who thread from about 2 weeks ago. If you want more depth, then they fit in with the above post.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:46
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Guys sorry to be a pain but I'm thick and confussed - did someone say Adam was comming back to get revenge on the docter??? But didn't they just leave him on earth??? HELP!!! This is all too much for my little brain can someone explain??? Oh and what's all this about a wolf??
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:48
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Originally Posted by jimboc
And I peronally don't understand people going on about the music all the time. I love it and it hasn't intruded once all series for me.
I think this depends greatly on the quality of your TV's speakers.

I run my TV though my hi-fi and didn't have a problem with the dialogue, although I do think the music was overloud and not very good. My parents' TV has rather poor sound (as do most TVs) and they have a problem understanding the dialogue on many programmes.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:48
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I have a question, if the Tardis can travel though time and space, why have all the episodes been based around Earth?

When will the Doctor stop traveling backwards and forwards through time and start going to alien planets.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:50
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Originally Posted by Ally-Ayr
Another amazingly well thought out view on tonights show alrightmate. You never fail to amaze me with your take on episodes....they always give me a lot to think about.

As soon as you started with the Face of Boe, I was sitting going 'of course!', from then I was hooked...

Very VERY well thought out speculation

God I love this place

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Thanks, that's kind of you Ally-Ayr.

I never got round to posting that Cassandra stuff to you as you weren't around on the thread for the next few days after the Dalek episode. I suppose I can still post some of that stuff if you keep popping into the thread every day now and again.



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Old 07-05-2005, 21:50
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Originally Posted by hello-snufkin
I have a question, if the Tardis can travel though time and space, why have all the episodes been based around Earth?

When will the Doctor stop traveling backwards and forwards through time and start going to alien planets.
RTD has stated that he won't be doing alien worlds until at least season 2. He wants all the shows this year to have the earth as a touchstone so that newcomers have something to relate to.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:51
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Awww. Poor wee Adam. All his life desperate to meet an alien... and even in the year 200,000 he doesn't actually meet one
Er, The Doctor?
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:52
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Originally Posted by etldlrl
This was set in 200,000. EOTW was set in 5,000,000,000. The Face Of Boe was in both. That either makes him virtually immortal or a time traveller.
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Well spotted... didn't even think of that!
I thought they were ALL time travellers in EOTW. Wasn't that the whole point - they'd travelled in time to watch the Earth explode.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:52
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Originally Posted by hello-snufkin
I have a question, if the Tardis can travel though time and space, why have all the episodes been based around Earth?

When will the Doctor stop traveling backwards and forwards through time and start going to alien planets.
It's deliberate. A different version of the earth we know is more interesting than a fantasy world.
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Old 07-05-2005, 21:53
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Originally Posted by cuilean
Oh GOD NO ! Don't you dare, Mr Davies. If this is all Rose's dream....
Oh no, please nooo.

That would be such a disappointment. Rose waking up with Mickey coming out of the shower as well.
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