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I'm not from the UK and don't really know what "chav" means. I looked it up and wiki says: "Chav (/ˈtʃæv/ chav) is a pejorative epithet used in Britain to describe a particular stereotype.[1][2] The word was popularised in the first decade of the 21st century by the British mass media to refer to an anti-social youth subculture in the United Kingdom.[3] The Oxford English Dictionary defines "chav" as an informal British derogatory, meaning "a young lower-class person who displays brash and loutish behaviour and wears real or imitation designer clothes"
I don't get the "antisocial" part since it seems like people who are being called "chavs" are social....or does it just mean they are anti-social with non-chavs. Urban dictionary didn't help much. I see the term "chav" used with Scotty T type people so it makes me think of young, dumb, partiers who just care about clothes, parties, sex and fame. Is that correct? Also is "chav" an offensive insult? I think I have figured out some of the UK terms, like "mug", "muggin", and "pied" (all seem like they mean "blowing me off" or "making me look like a fool") but chav still confuses me. Yes antisocial can be used to describe somebody who isn't very sociable, but in the UK it has come to sometimes mean antisocial in the context of being associated with low level criminality. As in the ASBO (Anti-social behaviour order) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-s...ehaviour_order I personally hate the word chav as it appeared to be adopted by people to look down their noses at young working class people in general in a very snobby way. In your country an equivalent type of insult might be 'trailer trash'. |
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I think your perception of what 'anti-social' tends to mean in the UK as opposed to the USA may differ a bit too.
Yes anti-social can be used to describe somebody who isn't very sociable, but in the UK it has come to sometimes mean anti-social in the context of being associated with low level criminality. As in the ASBO (Anti-social behaviour order) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-s...ehaviour_order ![]() They're threats to the 'communities' in a sense, the undesirables.
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I'm not from the UK and don't really know what "chav" means. I looked it up and wiki says: "Chav (/ˈtʃæv/ chav) is a pejorative epithet used in Britain to describe a particular stereotype.[1][2] The word was popularised in the first decade of the 21st century by the British mass media to refer to an anti-social youth subculture in the United Kingdom.[3] The Oxford English Dictionary defines "chav" as an informal British derogatory, meaning "a young lower-class person who displays brash and loutish behaviour and wears real or imitation designer clothes"
I don't get the "antisocial" part since it seems like people who are being called "chavs" are social....or does it just mean they are anti-social with non-chavs. Urban dictionary didn't help much. I see the term "chav" used with Scotty T type people so it makes me think of young, dumb, partiers who just care about clothes, parties, sex and fame. Is that correct? Also is "chav" an offensive insult? I think I have figured out some of the UK terms, like "mug", "muggin", and "pied" (all seem like they mean "blowing me off" or "making me look like a fool") but chav still confuses me. |
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Oh its definitely offensive, you wouldn't say it mildly to someone to say they were a party type without them taking offensive.
It's used to basically explain poor/working class (from the north or council estates), male, youngsters that they think dress scruffy (sporty/cap-market type getup) and thus assume they are lager louts, heavy smokers, loud argumentative/swearing types, unemployed and a social nuisance. Think of the London riots of 2011 youths and the way they were described and you get the idea. ![]() It's definitely derogatory and people that use it merely feed its unnecessary popularity and existence. ![]() Quote:
I think your perception of what 'antisocial' tends to mean in the UK as opposed to the USA may differ a bit too.
Yes antisocial can be used to describe somebody who isn't very sociable, but in the UK it has come to sometimes mean antisocial in the context of being associated with low level criminality. As in the ASBO (Anti-social behaviour order) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-s...ehaviour_order I personally hate the word chav as it appeared to be adopted by people to look down their noses at young working class people in general in a very snobby way. In your country an equivalent type of insult might be 'trailer trash'. ![]() The explanation of "antisocial" helped a lot since I was thinking of the USA use of the word. I try to avoid stereotypes and will gladly avoid the term "chav" (not that I planned to use it) |
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Once used to describe working class kids that liked designer clothes (even though middle class and upper class kids love designer clothes as well). Now used to insult the likes of hairdressers, models, actors, private investigators and call centre workers (the occupations of all the so called 'chavs' currently in the big brother house). Only used now by the most rabid haters of the working class (especially by people that were born working class but moved up in life and now see themselves as superior).
Or does working class also include people on "the dole" (welfare) that are using/abusing the system (maybe because they were raised a certain way so it is engrained in them)? In the US we use lower class, middle class and upper class but mainly based (or solely based) on socio-economic status. I wonder if it is different in the UK due to the upper upper class having titles or affiliations with titled or aristocrats? I don't want to get into a political discussion or debate on class systems but just want to know if working class means the segment of society that is working but not making much money which is different, imo, from the people being solely supported by the government (specifically abled-bodied mentally competent people who are not employed)? That includes people born into poverty and may not know of a way to break that cycle for a variety of reasons. I don't include, in that group, single parents with multiple young children, disabled, elderly, etc... |
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I always think of a 'chav' as someone who thinks being thick is something to be proud of
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The best part was Sam saying "We'll do this for her now...".... HAHA! Is there a telephone # we can call to send her donations? FFS!
It's all talk!
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It's called 'immaturity.'
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Katie Price + Scotty T voters are furious Lateysha's gone...
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I am absolutely delighted that she's gone and the chav fury is merely icing on the cake.
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By working class do you mean lower socioeconomic groups but they are still working? There is no shame in working.
Or does working class also include people on "the dole" (welfare) that are using/abusing the system (maybe because they were raised a certain way so it is engrained in them)? In the US we use lower class, middle class and upper class but mainly based (or solely based) on socio-economic status. I wonder if it is different in the UK due to the upper upper class having titles or affiliations with titled or aristocrats? I don't want to get into a political discussion or debate on class systems but just want to know if working class means the segment of society that is working but not making much money which is different, imo, from the people being solely supported by the government (specifically abled-bodied mentally competent people who are not employed)? That includes people born into poverty and may not know of a way to break that cycle for a variety of reasons. I don't include, in that group, single parents with multiple young children, disabled, elderly, etc... If you mean are people claiming welfare the 'working class' - well a high percentage of low-earning working people claim in-work welfare assistance to enable them to live. I've come to define the the term 'chav' as being anybody that the person using it thinks is beneath them, so it depends on the user and how many people they look down on really! With regard to 'chav' it's not a political insult, it's a social insult. Have to say it's the word I hate most and I tend to avoid anybody who uses it. ETA: More of a General Discussion topic really
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Ha ha ha. Typical of BB housemates to come out with this old chestnut.
I'm surprised that Jackson wasn't in there to say it first like he did with Georgina, who he hardly mentions now. ![]() But I actually do think he has just about forgotten her. If the need arises though, I'm sure she will once more become the love of his life. |
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By working class do you mean lower socioeconomic groups but they are still working? There is no shame in working.
Or does working class also include people on "the dole" (welfare) that are using/abusing the system (maybe because they were raised a certain way so it is engrained in them)? In the US we use lower class, middle class and upper class but mainly based (or solely based) on socio-economic status. I wonder if it is different in the UK due to the upper upper class having titles or affiliations with titled or aristocrats? I don't want to get into a political discussion or debate on class systems but just want to know if working class means the segment of society that is working but not making much money which is different, imo, from the people being solely supported by the government (specifically abled-bodied mentally competent people who are not employed)? That includes people born into poverty and may not know of a way to break that cycle for a variety of reasons. I don't include, in that group, single parents with multiple young children, disabled, elderly, etc... There are some interpretations here: https://www.theguardian.com/notesand...,-1257,00.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22007058 |
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It's always nice to call a child 'it'.
![]() I honestly assume lateysha would be getting flack regardless of the child's age, women are always unequally chastised for appearing on BB if they have children, yet the likes of Jackson or Jason's paternal duties are overlooked or excused. May be the child's long term security was deemed more important than the short term gains.![]() I never get the use of terms like chav, or personal labels aimed at posters/hms with a different view, it highlights a posters age. ![]() Also the whole idea of sacrificing yourself to work to provide for the child by going to BB instead of getting a proper job instead of a TV competition, spending three months AWAY lazing around in string bikinis, twerking, flashing boobs and talking crap |
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I am absolutely delighted that she's gone and the chav fury is merely icing on the cake.
![]() ![]() from some of the people on there about how terrible Jason is and how Lateysha was robbed.
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The indignation of the chavs
Who exactly are "The Chavs"?
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Ah but she is a single mom while Jackson's child is with his ex. He doesn't go about "I', doing it for my boy" all the time. There is no issue about women with kids going in to BB but using it as a shield or as a reason to win IS the problem.
Also the whole idea of sacrificing yourself to work to provide for the child by going to BB instead of getting a proper job instead of a TV competition, spending three months AWAY lazing around in string bikinis, twerking, flashing boobs and talking crap ).We're in 2016 now and this is how a lot of younger people think. There aren't much job oppurtunities out there in the real world anyway. So going on BB is much better than the really dodgy alternatives to making money! In any case, Lateysha has left her Baby with the Baby's Gran....so i'm sure she's in very capable hands. Some people are going on like she left the baby alone, to fend for itself!!! |
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The indignation of the chavs
Who exactly are "The Chavs"? ![]() I imagine, anyway. |
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It's always nice to call a child 'it'.
![]() I honestly assume lateysha would be getting flack regardless of the child's age, women are always unequally chastised for appearing on BB if they have children, yet the likes of Jackson or Jason's paternal duties are overlooked or excused. May be the child's long term security was deemed more important than the short term gains.![]() I never get the use of terms like chav, or personal labels aimed at posters/hms with a different view, it highlights a posters age. ![]() Jackson's child lives with his mother who is a single parent with two children. |
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Well, like it or not....this isn't 1985 (i know, i was there
).We're in 2016 now and this is how a lot of younger people think. There aren't much job oppurtunities out there in the real world anyway. So going on BB is much better than the really dodgy alternatives to making money! In any case, Lateysha has left her Baby with the Baby's Gran....so i'm sure she's in very capable hands. Some people are going on like she left the baby alone, to fend for itself!!! |
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Well, like it or not....this isn't 1985 (i know, i was there
).We're in 2016 now and this is how a lot of younger people think. There aren't much job oppurtunities out there in the real world anyway. So going on BB is much better than the really dodgy alternatives to making money! In any case, Lateysha has left her Baby with the Baby's Gran....so i'm sure she's in very capable hands. Some people are going on like she left the baby alone, to fend for itself!!! What year it is doesn't validate it. Perhaps younger people shouldn't be thinking like this. Because this is likely to be a cause which sets up huge disappointments in life for the millions of younger people who don't make it as a reality TV 'star'. It's an unrealistic nonsense illusion which can only possibly favour a minuscule amount of people while everyone else is left on the scrapheap crying over why their dream failed them. In that respect Jason is offering a valuable life lesson. You set yourself up with a dream of becoming a celebrity by becoming a reality TV 'star'. And then this little thing called reality brutally smashes your dream to pieces. He's teaching them something here.
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In the US we use lower class, middle class and upper class but mainly based (or solely based) on socio-economic status. I wonder if it is different in the UK due to the upper upper class having titles or affiliations with titled or aristocrats?
. In the UK things have changed plenty in the last 60 years. Nearly all areas of life are definitely open beyond titled people or their families. But those from the outside probably don't imagine that, the same surprise probably comes when they don't see businessmen wearing bowler hats or policemen wearing helmets. |
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By working class do you mean lower socioeconomic groups but they are still working? There is no shame in working.
Or does working class also include people on "the dole" (welfare) that are using/abusing the system (maybe because they were raised a certain way so it is engrained in them)? In the US we use lower class, middle class and upper class but mainly based (or solely based) on socio-economic status. I wonder if it is different in the UK due to the upper upper class having titles or affiliations with titled or aristocrats? I don't want to get into a political discussion or debate on class systems but just want to know if working class means the segment of society that is working but not making much money which is different, imo, from the people being solely supported by the government (specifically abled-bodied mentally competent people who are not employed)? That includes people born into poverty and may not know of a way to break that cycle for a variety of reasons. I don't include, in that group, single parents with multiple young children, disabled, elderly, etc... |
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Thank you both!
![]() The explanation of "antisocial" helped a lot since I was thinking of the USA use of the word. I try to avoid stereotypes and will gladly avoid the term "chav" (not that I planned to use it) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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It's impossible to say whether working class includes unemployed people - some unemployed people are technically of other classes - being unemployed is not just something that happens to working class people. Companies close, people lose their jobs through redundancy, availability of jobs goes down especially in recession times, etc.
If you mean are people claiming welfare the 'working class' - well a high percentage of low-earning working people claim in-work welfare assistance to enable them to live. I've come to define the the term 'chav' as being anybody that the person using it thinks is beneath them, so it depends on the user and how many people they look down on really! With regard to 'chav' it's not a political insult, it's a social insult. Have to say it's the word I hate most and I tend to avoid anybody who uses it. ETA: More of a General Discussion topic really ![]() It's just one of those unfortunate words that's used to Lord it over others. It suggests more about the user than the recipient.
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