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Old 29-08-2016, 16:02
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Thanks for those 80s ratings Ray.

When the channels made a bit of effort...Disneytime was always my highlight on the Monday. 7.5m too!

Awful though that he who must not be named has to make his usual bank holiday appearance.
You can't airbrush Savile out of history, even though he should have been caught and banged up by 1985. Also Disneytime was sometimes hosted by Rolf Harris.
Yet these two men apart, what a diverse and competitive schedule. You wanted an intelligent game show at 7 on ITV before CS, there was the Krypton Factor, which was 1.5 million ahead of its alternative on BBC1, the highly entertaining Wogan and his mixture of chat and music that kept 7.3 million entertained. Mind you, 9.27 million still found Britain's least funny comedian worth watching on ITV.
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Old 29-08-2016, 16:13
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You can't airbrush Savile out of history, even though he should have been caught and banged up by 1985. Also Disneytime was sometimes hosted by Rolf Harris.
Yet these two men apart, what a diverse and competitive schedule. You wanted an intelligent game show at 7 on ITV before CS, there was the Krypton Factor, which was 1.5 million ahead of its alternative on BBC1, the highly entertaining Wogan and his mixture of chat and music that kept 7.3 million entertained. Mind you, 9.27 million still found Britain's least funny comedian worth watching on ITV.
And even in the 90s when Emmerdale wasn't on Monday to Friday you'd still get a bit of variety at 7pm on ITV. And there was no One Show on BBC1 so there was a bit of variety there between thrice weekly Wogan. Those were the days when Telly Addicts would sometimes beat Emmerdale on a Tuesday night with both programmes getting 9/10m each.

Jim'll Fix It was a great show which has now been tarnished forever due to the revelations of Savile. I used to watch it all the time, now I can't face it a all.
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Old 29-08-2016, 16:13
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So criticism of Cowell is not allowed on DS ? Are you one of his cohorts ?
What a detailed, analytical and thoughtful response to a lengthy post which made several points.

It's more likely you're on the pay roll somewhere else and there's an agenda behind your vitriolic anti-ITV tweets. Your obsession with GMB is a prime example. If you're not then

I rarely criticise shows I don't watch, nor do I have any allegiance to any channel whatsoever. It's exasperatingly negative and frankly a waste of energy.
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Old 29-08-2016, 16:29
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And even in the 90s when Emmerdale wasn't on Monday to Friday you'd still get a bit of variety at 7pm on ITV. And there was no One Show on BBC1 so there was a bit of variety there between thrice weekly Wogan. Those were the days when Telly Addicts would sometimes beat Emmerdale on a Tuesday night with both programmes getting 9/10m each.

Jim'll Fix It was a great show which has now been tarnished forever due to the revelations of Savile. I used to watch it all the time, now I can't face it a all.
Emmerdale Farm wasn't the powerhouse it became 10 years later, when it was attracting 14 million viewers, but it was still big enough in 1985 to peg Eastenders back to 10 million for the first six months of its life. Moving EE to 7.30 and promoting it aggressively from September 85 onwards saw the soap jump to 17 million. It probably harmed Emmerdale Farm as well as BBC One became a default channel for people waiting for EE..
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Old 29-08-2016, 16:32
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And even in the 90s when Emmerdale wasn't on Monday to Friday you'd still get a bit of variety at 7pm on ITV. And there was no One Show on BBC1 so there was a bit of variety there between thrice weekly Wogan. Those were the days when Telly Addicts would sometimes beat Emmerdale on a Tuesday night with both programmes getting 9/10m each.

Jim'll Fix It was a great show which has now been tarnished forever due to the revelations of Savile. I used to watch it all the time, now I can't face it a all.
Those were the days!
Tuesdays at 7 on BBC1 was Holiday, No Place Like Home, Telly Addicts and Wildlife on One repeats or a sitcom repeat. Thursdays was Tomorrow's World.
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Old 29-08-2016, 16:46
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Those were the days!
Tuesdays at 7 on BBC1 was Holiday, No Place Like Home, Telly Addicts and Wildlife on One repeats or a sitcom repeat. Thursdays was Tomorrow's World.
In ratings terms it was a golden era as well. Early on in 1985 CS was pulling in a stellar 21 million at times, but by the end of the year EE was doing the same if you added in the omnibus. It did seem after a couple of slow years, BBC 1 under Michael Grade had completely revived and a year later ITV would fall behind BBC 1 for the first time ever.( Somehow you can trace the slow decline of ITV's popularity to Michael Grade).
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Old 29-08-2016, 16:53
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Emmerdale Farm wasn't the powerhouse it became 10 years later, when it was attracting 14 million viewers, but it was still big enough in 1985 to peg Eastenders back to 10 million for the first six months of its life. Moving EE to 7.30 and promoting it aggressively from September 85 onwards saw the soap jump to 17 million. It probably harmed Emmerdale Farm as well as BBC One became a default channel for people waiting for EE..
I remember the press running stories saying Emmerdale scared off EastEnders. It was a genius move from Michael Grade. EastEnders had no competition at 7.30pm. It built its audience unopposed.
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Old 29-08-2016, 16:58
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Those were the days!
Tuesdays at 7 on BBC1 was Holiday, No Place Like Home, Telly Addicts and Wildlife on One repeats or a sitcom repeat. Thursdays was Tomorrow's World.
In ratings terms it was a golden era as well. Early on in 1985 CS was pulling in a stellar 21 million at times, but by the end of the year EE was doing the same if you added in the omnibus. It did seem after a couple of slow years, BBC 1 under Michael Grade had completely revived and a year later ITV would fall behind BBC 1 for the first time ever.( Somehow you can trace the slow decline of ITV's popularity to Michael Grade).
BBC1 under Michael Grade was a golden period. The man knew how to schedule. Giving Neignbours an evening repeat was another great move. He said BBC1 had great programmes but in the wrong places, he came in, moved programmes around and ratings went up for the channel.
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Old 29-08-2016, 17:17
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You can't airbrush Savile out of history, even though he should have been caught and banged up by 1985. Also Disneytime was sometimes hosted by Rolf Harris.
And Knockout Star Gala was probably presented by Stuart Hall.
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Old 29-08-2016, 17:22
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ITV (inc. +1)
20:00: The X Factor - 6.26m (31.0%)
* peak - 7.08m (33.1%) at 20:50
21:00: Victoria - 5.70m (29.6%)
I was actually expecting XF to be lower than that given the trends we've seen over the last few years from episodes 1 to 2. Let's see what happens next week. Do you know the figure exc +1 lewie please?

That's pretty decent for Victoria. I was expecting it to be lower. If it hold tonight it's probably got a good shot next Sunday when it faces Poldark.
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Old 29-08-2016, 17:39
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BBC1 under Michael Grade was a golden period. The man knew how to schedule. Giving Neignbours an evening repeat was another great move. He said BBC1 had great programmes but in the wrong places, he came in, moved programmes around and ratings went up for the channel.
It certainly was. Grade gave viewers what they wanted and moved some of the more serious shows like Panorama into later slots. I can recall as a teen the joys of Panorama, politicians arguing in a dreary looking studio, facing World In Action, which was probably discussing a deprived Liverpool council estate,. Grade ended this by moving Panorama to 9.30 and showing comedy at 8.30, trebling BBC One's audience in this slot.
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Old 29-08-2016, 17:56
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It certainly was. Grade gave viewers what they wanted and moved some of the more serious shows like Panorama into later slots. I can recall as a teen the joys of Panorama, politicians arguing in a dreary looking studio, facing World In Action, which was probably discussing a deprived Liverpool council estate,. Grade ended this by moving Panorama to 9.30 and showing comedy at 8.30, trebling BBC One's audience in this slot.
Yes, the first Monday night under Grade's major overhaul was:

7.00pm Wogan
7.40 Fame
8.30 Are You Being Served

All brand new series'. The day the golden translucent globe launched too!
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Old 29-08-2016, 18:23
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It certainly was. Grade gave viewers what they wanted and moved some of the more serious shows like Panorama into later slots. I can recall as a teen the joys of Panorama, politicians arguing in a dreary looking studio, facing World In Action, which was probably discussing a deprived Liverpool council estate,. Grade ended this by moving Panorama to 9.30 and showing comedy at 8.30, trebling BBC One's audience in this slot.
Bill Cotton begged him to save BBC1 after an abysmal period with Alan Hart in charge. It's annoying now that being popular is seen as a crime. Moving Panorama took some doing, Grade and Cotton had to clear it with the BBC Board Of Governors.
Yes, the first Monday night under Grade's major overhaul was:

7.00pm Wogan
7.40 Fame
8.30 Are You Being Served

All brand new series'. The day the golden translucent globe launched too!
That was a great week. New schedule on BBC1, new C.O.W. globe, new series and the weather presentation got a new look too. Everything felt fresh.
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Old 29-08-2016, 18:27
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Another roundup, ratings from Gallifrey Base and I've adapted them into schedules.

Sunday 28 August 2016 Ratings Roundup
BBC 1
06:00: Breakfast - 650k (38.4%)
07:30: Match of the Day - 1.12m (25.0%)
09:00: BBC News - 1.39m (21.6%)
10:00: Sunday Morning Live - 830k (11.9%)
11:00: Homes Under the Hammer - 860k (12.0%)
12:00: Bargain Hunt - 1.18m (14.5%)
13:00: BBC News - 1.48m (14.7%)
13:15: Escape to the Continent - 1.01m (9.9%)
14:15: Summer: Earth’s Seasonal Secrets - 720k (7.4%)
15:15: Eat Well for Less? - 860k (9.3%)
16:15: The Great British Bake Off - 1.17m (11.1%)
17:15: Songs of Praise - 1.49m (12.0%)
17:45: Pointless Celebrities - 2.82m (20.3%)
19:00: Countryfile - 5.73m (34.8%)
20:00: Antiques Roadshow - 5.60m (27.7%)
21:00: Are You Being Served? - 5.04m (27.5%)
21:00: Porridge - 4.39m (21.8%)
22:00: BBC News - 4.05m (22.6%)
22:30: Match of the Day 2 - 2.22m (18.5%)
23:30: Comedy Connections - 1.10m (13.8%)
00:00: Comedy Connections - 830k (14.0%)
00:30: BBC News - 330k (10.1%)

BBC 2
16:30: Kate Humble: My Sheepdog and Me - 620k (5.6%)
17:30: The Great British Bake Off: An Extra Slice - 550k (4.3%)
18:00: Highlands: Scotland’s Wild Heart - 750k (5.2%)
19:00: Cats v Dogs: Which is Best? - 510k (3.1%)
20:00: Robot Wars - 1.40m (7.0%)
21:00: Dragon’s Den - 2.15m (10.5%)
22:00: Fleabag - 580k (3.3%)

ITV (inc. +1)
14:30: The Chase - 470k (4.9%)
15:30: The X Factor - 660k (6.9%)
17:00: Film: Despicable Me - 1.35m (10.5%)
18:30: ITV Regional News - 1.52m (10.1%)
18:45: ITV News and Weather - 1.53m (9.9%)
19:00: Ellie Simmonds: Swimming with Dolphins - 1.60m (9.7%)
20:00: The X Factor - 6.26m (31.0%)
* peak - 7.08m (33.1%) at 20:50
21:00: Victoria - 5.70m (29.6%)
22:30: ITV News and Weather - 2.71m (19.9%)
22:45: Slow Train Through Africa with Griff Rhys Jones - 1.01m (10.3%)
23:45: Tipping Point - 380k (6.6%)

Channel 4 (inc. +1)
12:00: Formula 1: Belgian Grand Prix Live - 1.95m (20.8%)
16:00: Guy Martin’s Passion for Life - 730k (7.6%)
16:30: Location, Location, Location - 540k (4.9%)
17:30: A Place in the Sun: Winter Sun - 700k (5.1%)
18:30: Channel 4 News - 370k (2.4%)
19:00: Posh Pawn - 620k (3.7%)
20:00: Prehistoric Megabeasts: Croc vs Snake - 770k (3.8%)
21:00: Big Fat Quiz of Everything - 1.07m (5.5%)

Channel 5 (inc. +1)
17:00: Pets Make You Laugh Out Loud - 580k (4.7%)
18:00: Cats Make You Laugh Out Loud 2 - 610k (4.2%)
19:00: Toddlers Make You Laugh Out Loud 2 - 720k (4.4%)
20:00: Can’t Pay? Benefits Special - 680k (3.4%)
21:00: Most Shocking Celebrity Moments of the 00s - 640k (4.2%)
thanks for posting this always great to see the daytime numbers do gb post round ups like this for weekdays as well lewie?
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Old 29-08-2016, 18:30
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thanks for posting this always great to see the daytime numbers do gb post round ups like this for weekdays as well lewie?
Yes well done with the list Lewie!
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Old 29-08-2016, 18:44
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Yes, the first Monday night under Grade's major overhaul was:

7.00pm Wogan
7.40 Fame
8.30 Are You Being Served

All brand new series'. The day the golden translucent globe launched too!
AYBS, a perfect tonic to what on the previous Monday would probably have been some miserable debate on Panorama about the miners strike( coming to its bitter conclusion). Also Miserama seemed to benefit from the move, a later slot and a move to filmed reports saw its ratings double, as it no longer faced WIA and a lighter show on BBC 2. Yet AYBS probably won the night for BBC1.
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Old 29-08-2016, 18:54
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Not much to add to what's already been said about the comedies and Victoria. No major surprises in the end but everything did very well. I must admit I was hoping one of the three shows might make us go - in a good way - but not this time. The Bank Holiday probably didn't help.

Sunday 28 August 2016 Ratings Roundup
BBC 1
16:15: The Great British Bake Off - 1.17m (11.1%)

ITV (inc. +1)
15:30: The X Factor - 660k (6.9%)
This is interesting, the new juggernaut &. the juggernaut of old facing off for 40 minutes yesterday afternoon.

Bake Off (R) up 77.3% on X Factor (R), compared to a 53.5% margin of superiority for the first run screenings.
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Old 29-08-2016, 18:55
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The three big new shows last night did okay for a Bank Holiday Sunday with good weather for once.

Porridge was always going to have a big Ronnie Barker shaped hole but as a sitcom it worked okay. Just think it will likely stay as a one off, or go on BBC 2 if not.

It was interesting on the old Comedy Connections repeat seeing Ronnie Barker explaining about the genesis and how he wanted to do a different pilot (in a Welsh accent) and not Porridge! And how the sequel Going Straight flopped because viewers wanted more Porridge with Ronnie Barker that he did not want to do. This is going to be the biggest difficulty of reviving Porridge to series. Escaping Ronnie.

As for Are You Being Served? It worked better than I expected but then Derren Litten knows that kind of humour.

After a few minutes it stopped being a problem that it was a new cast and it actually might work as a series. There was an excellent cast and that helped (Roy Barraclough channeled Mr Grainger uncannily well and Sheree Hewson worked as Mrs Slocombe better than expected - but the pussy jokes were way overdone). Really only John Inman was not replaced successfully enough for you to stop making comparisons last night.

Will not be surprised if that does not get another shot - possibly a Christmas special just to check if it can work outside a one off.

Victoria has potential, did okay in the ratings but the test is holding up tonight before it has to see off Poldark next week. Think it should do, but we will see as today a lot of people will be out taking advantage of a rare Bank Holiday Monday in the sun.
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Old 29-08-2016, 18:56
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AYBS, a perfect tonic to what on the previous Monday would probably have been some miserable debate on Panorama about the miners strike( coming to its bitter conclusion). Also Miserama seemed to benefit from the move, a later slot and a move to filmed reports saw its ratings double, as it no longer faced WIA and a lighter show on BBC 2. Yet AYBS probably won the night for BBC1.
When I look back to old Radio Times copies, it is startling how disjointed BBC1's evening schedule was. Sometimes it would start at 6.25pm, sometimes at 6.40pm, sometimes at 6.55pm. There was almost always a Tom and Jerry cartoon to launch the evening and repeats of Star Trek at 6.40pm would lead in to something like an old movie. Tuesdays would often have drama at 8.10pm but the programmes before it were weirdly scheduled like Ask the Family at 7.10pm followed by something like Terry and June at 7.40pm.

Grade restructured the evening schedule to something that actually was fluid and regular, so that viewers knew what was on and when. Part of Grade's overhaul was because of Thatcher's Government giving the BBC a 15 year charter in 1981 to get its house in order following falling ratings and in-house management controversies.
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Old 29-08-2016, 19:08
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BBC1 under Michael Grade was a golden period. The man knew how to schedule. Giving Neignbours an evening repeat was another great move. He said BBC1 had great programmes but in the wrong places, he came in, moved programmes around and ratings went up for the channel.
Apparently the 5.35 Neighbours repeat was instigated at the request of Michael Grades daughter who said to dad she was missing it whilst at college! And low and behold a 18m soap block was born...
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Old 29-08-2016, 19:14
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Bake Off (R) up 77.3% on X Factor (R), compared to a 53.5% margin of superiority for the first run screenings.
So the X Factor haters are now using repeat screenings against it. The desperation!
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Old 29-08-2016, 19:16
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When I look back to old Radio Times copies, it is startling how disjointed BBC1's evening schedule was. Sometimes it would start at 6.25pm, sometimes at 6.40pm, sometimes at 6.55pm. There was almost always a Tom and Jerry cartoon to launch the evening and repeats of Star Trek at 6.40pm would lead in to something like an old movie. Tuesdays would often have drama at 8.10pm but the programmes before it were weirdly scheduled like Ask the Family at 7.10pm followed by something like Terry and June at 7.40pm.

Grade restructured the evening schedule to something that actually was fluid and regular, so that viewers knew what was on and when. Part of Grade's overhaul was because of Thatcher's Government giving the BBC a 15 year charter in 1981 to get its house in order following falling ratings and in-house management controversies.
The introduction of the Six, followed by regional news, meant BBC scheduling in the early evening became more coherent from the autumn of 1984. No longer was there news from 5.40 to 6.40 or 6.50, which meant BBC1 had to face ITV national news, regional news and Crossroads( depending on your region) head on. Instead the BBC before 6.00 could fit in repeats of classic American series, popular childrens shows and panel games and from 6.55 or 7.00 hit ITV full on with drama series like The District Nurse and entertainment.
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Old 29-08-2016, 19:21
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Apparently the 5.35 Neighbours repeat was instigated at the request of Michael Grades daughter who said to dad she was missing it whilst at college! And low and behold a 18m soap block was born...
It was. A simple change that turned Neighbours into a huge hit it this country. Especially with younger viewers. Come in from school, CBBC is still on and straight into Neighbours. It helped boost the CBBC audience after 5pm too

ITV saw what Grade did with Neighbours and did the same with Home and Away. And 30 years later they're still being scheduled that way on Channel 5.
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Old 29-08-2016, 19:22
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So the X Factor haters are now using repeat screenings against it. The desperation!
It's getting petty, and that's rich coming from me, but it is. X Factor isn't going anywhere anytime soon
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Old 29-08-2016, 19:30
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The introduction of the Six, followed by regional news, meant BBC scheduling in the early evening became more coherent from the autumn of 1984. No longer was there news from 5.40 to 6.40 or 6.50, which meant BBC1 had to face ITV national news, regional news and Crossroads( depending on your region) head on. Instead the BBC before 6.00 could fit in repeats of classic American series, popular childrens shows and panel games and from 6.55 or 7.00 hit ITV full on with drama series like The District Nurse and entertainment.
BBC Alba (in Scotland) have been screening a 3 part show "Nationwide on Alba" which has been showing excerpts and features from the popular BBC1 programme from all those decades ago! The excerpts are all Scottish features from the time.

When Nationwide was on originally I didn't like it at all, I thought it was a load of fluff tbh. Seeing it now 30-40 years later I've actually enjoyed the features from Nationwide! Must be me getting all nostalgic with age - I always enjoyed the title music though!
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