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Old 24-07-2016, 11:36
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MBB Live felt very strangely scheduled tonight, almost 'plonked' in the middle of the summer wasteland. Given that it's meant to part of the sitcom season, you'd think the BBC would have wanted it to go out alongside other programming from the strand, maybe after the Olympics late next month
It is strange, and to me seems likely that this wasn't the original plan.

The original rationale for the season was to celebrate the 60th Anniversary of the first TV Hancocks Half Hour in July 1956 - and it was always stated that the season would be in 'summer', so I assumed all the revivals and everything else would be coming this month too.

Perhaps they had to delay the rest of the season for some reason (production delays. etc) - but weren't able to push back the live MBB because of the team's schedule?
The original plan was to use Mrs Brown's Boys to kick off the BBC's sitcom season but it looks like that had been pushed later to September.
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Old 24-07-2016, 11:38
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These are the overnight ratings for the previous two Mrs Brown's Boys specials as a comparison. Would be interesting to see the share last night's episode had.

Christmas Day (2015) - 6.41m (27.7%)
New Year's Day (2016) - 5.58m (31.7%)
36.9%

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Old 24-07-2016, 11:53
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Impressive for MBB one of the ratings of the summer so far. 36.9% is a brilliant share! See BBC you can have good ratings in the Summer Saturdays if you take a risk. Maybe a Summer Sitcom might be an avenue for BBC to explore rather than LE. I see 5* Family Reunion didn't rate that well if Musketeers got 2.4M. Who Dares Wins needs to come back as I think it is the best lottery show.

Robot Wars back after 12 years. What do we think? I was a bit conservative in the RPG but I think it could do either low 2M or it will soar into possibly 4M if the stars align a low 5M. I hope it does brilliantly and I hope Dara doesn't ruin it, but he seems like the type to make it somewhat educational so he might be good.
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Old 24-07-2016, 12:09
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Wowsers!! Thanks Dancc. Will be fascinating to see the final rating for Mrs Brown's Boys Live.
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Old 24-07-2016, 12:17
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Impressive for MBB one of the ratings of the summer so far. 36.9% is a brilliant share! See BBC you can have good ratings in the Summer Saturdays if you take a risk. Maybe a Summer Sitcom might be an avenue for BBC to explore rather than LE. I see 5* Family Reunion didn't rate that well if Musketeers got 2.4M. Who Dares Wins needs to come back as I think it is the best lottery show.

Robot Wars back after 12 years. What do we think? I was a bit conservative in the RPG but I think it could do either low 2M or it will soar into possibly 4M if the stars align a low 5M. I hope it does brilliantly and I hope Dara doesn't ruin it, but he seems like the type to make it somewhat educational so he might be good.
I've been wondering if Robot Wars could launch really well tonight. Is a high 3m/low 4m overnight rating possible with the weather and competition?

I agree about more sitcoms. But they can't get popular stuff right.
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Old 24-07-2016, 14:38
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I see 5* Family Reunion didn't rate that well if Musketeers got 2.4M.
It's my least favourite lottery show, but I'd like the other three quizzes to return. Who Dares Wins is definitely returning for 13 editions this year.

Last night's Family Reunion was the first of eight in series two, whereas next week's is the eighth of eight in series one (held over from last year), so it'll be interesting to see whether they pick up Family Reunion series two after the Olympics, or go straight into the new series of Who Dares Wins.

Good rating for Mrs Brown's Boys last night, but I'd forgotten the Christmas Day overnight from last year. I thought it'd had got 7m, but that must have been the previous year.
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Old 24-07-2016, 16:29
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Especially good rating for MBB as I know a couple of people who told me today they forgot it was 'a new one' and as they did not watch Musketeers watced the ITV film instead,

The scheduling was a bit odd and might have been dictated by schedules for the cast to do it live?

The way it ended plugging BBC comedy shows of the past means it had to be intended to lead into that series, surely.

I seem to recall that July/August was the original time frame for that season.

Some were filmed a while ago (like the Are you being served? remake) but they only just announced the new episode of Goodnight, Sweetheart which seems to have been a last minute addition. Whilst (as I have mentioned on here over the years) the writers always wanted to do more of this show and have had several attempts to turn it into a West End musical that might still happen there was no hint that this was imminent.

So perhaps something else did not pan out and they drafted this in as there was a delay to the scheduling.

I suspect that this and the Benidorm flavoured Are you being served? are the two most likely to be more than one offs and could become viable new series.

Goodnight, Sweetheart is the only new thing involving original cast and writers isn't it?
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Old 24-07-2016, 16:32
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Incidentally it has been announced that the new Star Trek series will be called Star Trek: Discovery and will be set in the TV universe not the new one created for the movies. A teaser trailer showing the new ship went on line at midnight.

It launches on Netflix in January in 166 countries on the same day (everywhere showing it other than the US and Canada) which might be an interesting first day rating.
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Old 24-07-2016, 16:49
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Especially good rating for MBB as I know a couple of people who told me today they forgot it was 'a new one' and as they did not watch Musketeers watced the ITV film instead,

The scheduling was a bit odd and might have been dictated by schedules for the cast to do it live?

The way it ended plugging BBC comedy shows of the past means it had to be intended to lead into that series, surely.

I seem to recall that July/August was the original time frame for that season.

Some were filmed a while ago (like the Are you being served? remake) but they only just announced the new episode of Goodnight, Sweetheart which seems to have been a last minute addition. Whilst (as I have mentioned on here over the years) the writers always wanted to do more of this show and have had several attempts to turn it into a West End musical that might still happen there was no hint that this was imminent.

So perhaps something else did not pan out and they drafted this in as there was a delay to the scheduling.

I suspect that this and the Benidorm flavoured Are you being served? are the two most likely to be more than one offs and could become viable new series.

Goodnight, Sweetheart is the only new thing involving original cast and writers isn't it?
Mrs Brown's Boys was definitely planned to kick off sitcom season which was due to start around now. Looks like its moving to early Autumn where more viewers are around. A shame MBB couldn't move too as I felt Summer was a waste for it.
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Old 24-07-2016, 16:53
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Masterchef and its endless variants does seem to take up a vast amount of air time, both in terms of weeks being shown, and hours each week. I bet it's close to The X Factor in total.
But it's no different, really, to how it used to be - the change is that now programmes are generally longer but go on for a shorter period of time. Celebrity Masterchef may be on for two and a half hours in the week, but it's only on for six weeks. In the past, a series would only be on for half an hour or an hour, but could be on for months and months and months.

It's like Watchdog - it's an hour now, but only has two ten week runs a year. In the nineties it was only half an hour but ran every week for about eight months (and it had a load of spin-offs as well).

And people want lots of their favourite shows. I guarantee you that a load of people will have complained to the BBC last night that Casualty wasn't on, despite the fact it's on virtually every Saturday of the year. People want things they like to run forever. I know it's not the most romantic suggestion but if the audience if there and it's a format you know people like, you have to go for it. But this does not mean that there isn't room for other stuff in the schedules. Different to the old days when there was virtually nothing in daytime and new shows more or less packed up at 10pm.

I can't see ITV's Dance, Dance, Dance doing anything other than flop.

If its a dance show its immediately going to be compared to SCD and you really cannot beat SCD is terms of entertainment value for viewers.
But then Dancing On Ice was the most derivative programme on the planet and the most blatant rip-off of Strictly imaginable, and that did alright for itself, certainly for the first few years. Although it seems unlikely this will be as successful.

I should stress that there's nothing confirmed about Let's Dance, I just saw it mentioned in a comment on Broadcast (and the comments there are usually left by those working in the industry) so may not be happening. It would fit nicely into the schedules though, 8 weeks of Let it Shine into 4 weeks of Let's Dance would take them to the end of March which is pretty much when The Voice ran till (and Let's Dance would end on Comic Relief weekend).
That perhaps wouldn't be such a surprise because Comic Relief has made use of some old formats in the past. The last proper series of Fame Academy was in 2003, and was a pretty big flop as well, but it kept on coming back for Comic Relief until 2007.

It wouldn't be so bad, some people on this thread seemed to have a bit of a blind spot for it and demand its continual axing because it was "tired" but we only had 21 episodes over five years, and since then loads more people have become famous and there are loads more dances they could do. I'd rather see that back than most LE formats of recent years.

I'm surprised at the complete lack of any build up or promotion, bar a run of the mill trailer. When a usually recorded show goes live there is usually loads of promotion. There wasn't even an item on Breakfast.
It was on the cover of the Radio Times, and at least one other listings magazine.

It is strange, and to me seems likely that this wasn't the original plan.

The original rationale for the season was to celebrate the 60th Anniversary of the first TV Hancocks Half Hour in July 1956 - and it was always stated that the season would be in 'summer', so I assumed all the revivals and everything else would be coming this month too.

Perhaps they had to delay the rest of the season for some reason (production delays. etc) - but weren't able to push back the live MBB because of the team's schedule?
Hmm, although it would have seemed unusual to have it on this summer, because there's only really a four week window between the Euros finishing and the Olympics starting, which seems hardly any time to do something like this without everything being crammed in, or thrown away a bit.

It's my least favourite lottery show, but I'd like the other three quizzes to return. Who Dares Wins is definitely returning for 13 editions this year.

Last night's Family Reunion was the first of eight in series two, whereas next week's is the eighth of eight in series one (held over from last year), so it'll be interesting to see whether they pick up Family Reunion series two after the Olympics, or go straight into the new series of Who Dares Wins.
5 Star Family Reunion is my least favourite too. One reason is that I think the name is appalling, it sounds like the kind of thing you'd make up as a twelve year old inventing your own TV schedules.

But I can't believe we're still having this argument about lottery shows, over twenty years on. It is blatantly obvious that people don't just want the numbers because when the show is just the numbers it rates incredibly badly, and of course on Wednesdays now they don't even televise the draw, they just read it out. So clearly people don't watch the lottery shows to get the numbers, they watch them because they're half decent quizzes in their own right. Some are better than others, but that is the case with all quizzes, and the good ones last and the crap ones get axed. I watch the good ones, I can take or leave the others. And that's been the case with Saturday night BBC1 for fifty years, there's always been quizzes in the schedule, some good, some bad.

And still people are complaining they "have to watch them" for the numbers! After twenty years, who hasn't realised they can just turn on five minutes before the end?
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Old 24-07-2016, 17:40
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Especially good rating for MBB as I know a couple of people who told me today they forgot it was 'a new one' and as they did not watch Musketeers watced the ITV film instead,

The scheduling was a bit odd and might have been dictated by schedules for the cast to do it live?

The way it ended plugging BBC comedy shows of the past means it had to be intended to lead into that series, surely.

I seem to recall that July/August was the original time frame for that season.

Some were filmed a while ago (like the Are you being served? remake) but they only just announced the new episode of Goodnight, Sweetheart which seems to have been a last minute addition. Whilst (as I have mentioned on here over the years) the writers always wanted to do more of this show and have had several attempts to turn it into a West End musical that might still happen there was no hint that this was imminent.

So perhaps something else did not pan out and they drafted this in as there was a delay to the scheduling.

I suspect that this and the Benidorm flavoured Are you being served? are the two most likely to be more than one offs and could become viable new series.

Goodnight, Sweetheart is the only new thing involving original cast and writers isn't it?
I imagine the BBC see the Sitcom Season as a pilot season, following the successful revival of Open All Hours.

I can see them hoping to produce series of the new Porridge, Goodnight Sweetheart and the Keeping Up Appearances prequel.

KUA writer Roy Clarke has form in this area, In the late 80s the Last Of the Summer Wine prequel First Of The Summer Wine ran for two series and like the KUA prequel began with a one-off pilot episode.

I can also envisage BBC4 remaking more lost Hancock episodes as Radio 4 has now made two series of lost radio episodes. Kevin McNally does a superb Hancock voice and doesn't look too dissimilar either.

Incidentally Start/Stop begins its third series on Radio 4 this Friday. That was one of the three comedies in the recent series of Comedy playhouse on BBC1. Does anybody know if any of those pilots has been taken up as a series?
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Old 24-07-2016, 17:44
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Fantastic rating for MBB!

What's going on with these hour long Tuesday Emmerdales? They've run them for about five weeks on the trot now, there's another this week, and another scheduled for next week (2 August) they caught up with the lost episodes from the euros a while back, so I'm not sure why they are producing 7 episodes a week at the moment?
According to the provisionals, there's another one scheduled on 9th August too! That would make it 7 consecutive Tuesday clashes. Could you imagine if it were the BBC doing this to Emmerdale
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Old 24-07-2016, 17:51
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It was on the cover of the Radio Times, and at least one other listings magazine.
It was part of a montage of 21st Century sitcoms to mark RT's "Vote for your favourite 21st century sitcom" survey. And there was no mention on the cover of the live episode.

However MBB was number 1 in their shortlist of 40 whilst the others were arranged in alphabetical order, because there was an accompanying article to promote the live episode which was RT's Comedy of the Week.

Also it was heavily promoted with a trailer on the BBC which clearly stated it was a live episode.

The ratings suggest that people knew. A pretty impressive figure for such an obscure, somewhat-random slot. It should easily be above 7.5m in the 7-day consolidated. It may even get above 8m.
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Old 24-07-2016, 18:19
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Fantastic rating for MBB!



According to the provisionals, there's another one scheduled on 9th August too! That would make it 7 consecutive Tuesday clashes. Could you imagine if it were the BBC doing this to Emmerdale
And yet Emmerdale suffers too. Im sure they could engineer an 8.00 showing on Tuesdays if they wanted to. I don't think they do though, they want to harass Eastenders and the ultimate end game imo is keeping Coronation Street as far as possible ahead as the number one soap.
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Old 24-07-2016, 18:41
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5 Star Family Reunion is my least favourite too. One reason is that I think the name is appalling, it sounds like the kind of thing you'd make up as a twelve year old inventing your own TV schedules.
It does! The announcer on BBC One Wales referred to it as "The Lottery quiz" last night.
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Old 24-07-2016, 18:45
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The first TV Hancock was broadcast live on July 6, 1956. The legendary Blood Donor episode was recorded at Riverside and broadcast on June 23, 1961.
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Old 24-07-2016, 19:20
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All eyes on BBC Two's figures in the morning, then. A chance to put recent disappointments (*cough* Top Gear *cough*) firmly behind them.

Elsewhere, nice to see the US version of Lip Sync Battle return to peak time Channel 5 tonight with a special first aired on Spike yesterday to celebrate the UK release of Star Trek Beyond (bit of a connection there with it being a Paramount title).
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Old 24-07-2016, 19:23
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6.5m (37%) is fantastic in that slot. I really enjoyed it and it's easy to see why it has become so popular in the UK. It's just a shame they don't produce more episodes.

Fantastic rating for MBB!



According to the provisionals, there's another one scheduled on 9th August too! That would make it 7 consecutive Tuesday clashes. Could you imagine if it were the BBC doing this to Emmerdale
Its previous producer has stated that its gone to 7 episodes for the summer months. I don't think there has been an announcement on this and it is overkill. There are fans on the soap forum struggling to keep up and thus aren't watching on the night.

And yet Emmerdale suffers too. Im sure they could engineer an 8.00 showing on Tuesdays if they wanted to. I don't think they do though, they want to harass Eastenders and the ultimate end game imo is keeping Coronation Street as far as possible ahead as the number one soap.
ITV want to keep the soap audience for the rest of the night. That is why EastEnders is blockaded all week and why they don't like Holby.
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Old 24-07-2016, 19:27
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Don't forget there are two MBB specials over Christmas
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Old 24-07-2016, 20:19
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I wonder how the lottery quizzes would rate if they didn't contain the lottery. Considering how separate the draws are these days, with no cross over between the quiz and the draw, I bet they'd rate very similar.

Hardly anyone will be sitting through the quiz just to see the numbers in this day and age.


There are fans on the soap forum struggling to keep up and thus aren't watching on the night.
If it was on on a different night they'd have a point, but it's hardly much of a hardship to keep up with a programme which is on at the exact same time as normal, just twice as long.

ITV now increase the soaps a bit in the summer to boost drama hours, as they know it will rate better than airing an extra stand alone drama at 9pm in the summer.

I seem to recall lots of extra EastEnders at Christmas which then went on well into January, which nobody seemed outraged about. In fact they loved it because it was a "Massive episode" every week according to the soaps forum.
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Old 24-07-2016, 20:47
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I seem to recall lots of extra EastEnders at Christmas which then went on well into January, which nobody seemed outraged about. In fact they loved it because it was a "Massive episode" every week according to the soaps forum.
I don't think it was "lots". In terms of the three week festive period, it actually amounted to an additional 90 minutes of EastEnders across that period. Some episodes were broadcast out of slot to compensate for the fact there was no EastEnders on New Year's Eve or Friday 8th January:

Wednesday 23rd December - extra 30 min episode
Thursday 24th December - as normal
Friday 25th December - additional 30 mins (1 hour episode)
Saturday 26th December - extra 30 min episode
Monday 28th December - as normal
Tuesday 29th December - as normal
Thursday 31st December - no episode
Friday 1st January - 2 episodes (to compensate for no episode on Thursday 31/12)
Monday 4th January - as normal
Tuesday 5th January - as normal
Wednesday 6th January - episode airing in place of Friday 08/01
Thursday 7th January - as normal
Friday 8th January - no episode
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Old 24-07-2016, 20:59
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If it was on on a different night they'd have a point, but it's hardly much of a hardship to keep up with a programme which is on at the exact same time as normal, just twice as long.

ITV now increase the soaps a bit in the summer to boost drama hours, as they know it will rate better than airing an extra stand alone drama at 9pm in the summer.

I seem to recall lots of extra EastEnders at Christmas which then went on well into January, which nobody seemed outraged about. In fact they loved it because it was a "Massive episode" every week according to the soaps forum.
The issue is not so much the extra episode as the soap clash. Orchestrated by a channel that kept complaining that Strictly overlapping with X Factor, was unfair on the viewers**. Although, my brother, a big soap fan, has been complaining about "all the unnecessary extra episodes of Emmerdale.".

For that reason, it was good to see EastEnders ahead of Emmerdale in the Tuesday ratings this week.


**Clearly they meant those only those viewers who own shares in ITV or work as an ITV executive.
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Old 24-07-2016, 21:23
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I notice that the Christmas Day Mrs Brown's Boys added 3m viewers in 7-day timeshift. Is it likely to timeshift as much this time?

Me and Mum recorded MBB last night because Mum likes to go to bed dead at 10pm and anyway there was nothing on tonight that we wanted to watch. We also watched Friday Night Dinner, recorded on Friday for the same reason.

I don't think anyone would lose anything not watching MBB live. It's enough to know that it was broadcast live.
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Old 24-07-2016, 21:26
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The issue is not so much the extra episode as the soap clash. Orchestrated by a channel that kept complaining that Strictly overlapping with X Factor, was unfair on the viewers**.
Well despite that complaining the BBC didn't stop or reduce those overlaps, in fact once they smelt blood they probably increased them, so why should ITV now care about Emmerdale clashing with 25% of EastEnders for a couple of weeks.

Can't have it both ways.
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Old 24-07-2016, 21:33
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I don't think it was "lots". In terms of the three week festive period, it actually amounted to an additional 90 minutes of EastEnders across that period. Some episodes were broadcast out of slot to compensate for the fact there was no EastEnders on New Year's Eve or Friday 8th January:

Monday 4th January - as normal
Tuesday 5th January - as normal
Wednesday 6th January - episode airing in place of Friday 08/01
Thursday 7th January - as normal
Friday 8th January - no episode
There were 2 episodes on the 7th January, so 4 extras in total.
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