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The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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sunbeam007
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“That Minder revival on Channel 5! ”

You can't reboot shows where the actors are the show. Soldier Soldier won't work for that reason. Nor All Creatures or Are You Being Served. Shows like that need reviving with the old cast like Cold Feet or Goodnight Sweetheart or Birds of a Feather.

The Bill or Heartbeat or LBurning had so many key actors that they could get away with it. Dallas just about worked but it had key actors return.

As someone else said, London's Burning is a weirdly forgotten show that could easily come back. Especially as it would spin off The Bill.
sunbeam007
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Cory_Osborn2:
“I always thought the BBC should do the same with Holby. They did make Holby Blue though which failed. By the way is Hawaii Five O any good?.”

Hawaii 50 is a return to the old cop shows which have car chases and fighting. The sort of show that Morse killed off in the UK and everything since seems to be a murder mystery.
Worth noting that many US shows are also no different to Murder She Wrote (Castle, Mentalist, Elementary, CSI etc). A murder at the start and thena whodunnit.

Hawaii 50 can be like that too but it's often got a story arc around gangsters. It is often nonsensical but it's fun TV.
Cory_Osborn2
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“You can't reboot shows where the actors are the show. Soldier Soldier won't work for that reason. Nor All Creatures or Are You Being Served. Shows like that need reviving with the old cast like Cold Feet or Goodnight Sweetheart or Birds of a Feather.

The Bill or Heartbeat or LBurning had so many key actors that they could get away with it. Dallas just about worked but it had key actors return.

As someone else said, London's Burning is a weirdly forgotten show that could easily come back. Especially as it would spin off The Bill. ”

London's Burning finished 10 years ago now and is rarely repeated that's why it has been forgotten. Heartbeat and The Royal are repeated daily so people must still watch which means a revival of both would be good.

Where The Heart is came back into the public eye last January when ITV3 started repeating it, however this is one I think should be left as the only long running characters left were Anna and Luke.

Wild At Heart was alternated with The Royal until January which makes me wonder if they have stopped repeating it as they are getting ready for a revival. ITV Encore stopped repeating Cold Feet then it was revived.

The Bill really does need reviving. It rates well for Drama channel so people would watch. Bring back Smithy, Mickey, Neil have Jack or Gina as superintendant, Jo as DI,

I could go on all night but I need to shower before Bake Off. 😂😂
Andy23
07-09-2016
I'm guessing a bulk delivery of rose tinted spectacles have just been delivered in today.

Suddenly everyone loved Heartbeat and wants it to return and ITV were idiots to axe it.

That's not how I remember it.

It was a ridiculed typical Sunday night show that had been stuck in 1969 for about 10 years and was rating much lower with each new series. It also had such an old audience and an old fashioned feel the demographics were awful. It was a bit like Last of the Summer Wine really.

This thread said it was old, clapped out and tired and should be axed. It was the sort of show people across DS demanded to be axed repeatedly.

The reason it eventually was axed was because of the financial state ITV were in at the time, all those negatives listed above meant it was top of the list to go.

The Bill was also a weekly target of ridicule as that was rating much poorer than previously. In a similar way should the BBC have kept Waterloo Road following how poorly received Cuffs was and the distinct lack of any other midweek pre watershed drama on the channel?

It's quite ironic reading these comments about bringing shows back when half the rest of the thread is demanding other long running shows are axed now. Remember how Dancing on Ice was dealt with in this thread both before it was axed and ever since?
sunbeam007
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“And both came back worse. Better to have remembered them as they were.”

It's harder to revive American shows because they've normally already made over 100 episodes. If not 200.

BBC1 is rebooting two old dramas and I expect both will top 7m viewers. Maybe 10m after 7 days. Those shows?

Marple and Poirot.
Cory_Osborn2
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“I'm guessing a bulk delivery of rose tinted spectacles have just been delivered in today.

Suddenly everyone loved Heartbeat and wants it to return and ITV were idiots to axe it.

That's not how I remember it.

It was a ridiculed typical Sunday night show that had been stuck in 1969 for about 10 years and was rating much lower with each new series. It also had such an old audience and an old fashioned feel the demographics were awful. It was a bit like Last of the Summer Wine really.

This thread said it was old, clapped out and tired and should be axed. It was the sort of show people across DS demanded to be axed repeatedly.

The reason it eventually was axed was because of the financial state ITV were in at the time, all those negatives listed above meant it was top of the list to go.

The Bill was also a weekly target of ridicule as that was rating much poorer than previously. In a similar way should the BBC have kept Waterloo Road following how poorly received Cuffs was and the distinct lack of any other midweek pre watershed drama on the channel?

It's quite ironic reading these comments about bringing shows back when half the rest of the thread is demanding other long running shows are axed now. Remember how Dancing on Ice was dealt with in this thread both before it was axed and ever since?”

I've not been a member for long and I liked Heartbeat so I'm sharing my opinion with others. I respect that some agree and some disagree but there is nothing wrong with speculating. 😊
sunbeam007
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“I'm guessing a bulk delivery of rose tinted spectacles have just been delivered in today.

Suddenly everyone loved Heartbeat and wants it to return and ITV were idiots to axe it.

That's not how I remember it.

It was a ridiculed typical Sunday night show that had been stuck in 1969 for about 10 years and was rating much lower with each new series. It also had such an old audience and an old fashioned feel the demographics were awful. It was a bit like Last of the Summer Wine really.

This thread said it was old, clapped out and tired and should be axed. It was the sort of show people across DS demanded to be axed repeatedly.

The reason it eventually was axed was because of the financial state ITV were in at the time, all those negatives listed above meant it was top of the list to go.

The Bill was also a weekly target of ridicule as that was rating much poorer than previously. In a similar way should the BBC have kept Waterloo Road following how poorly received Cuffs was and the distinct lack of any other midweek pre watershed drama on the channel?

It's quite ironic reading these comments about bringing shows back when half the rest of the thread is demanding other long running shows are axed now. Remember how Dancing on Ice was dealt with in this thread both before it was axed and ever since?”

People got bored of shows. They disappear for years. People are ready for them to return.

Worked for Take That.
davies88
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“I'm guessing a bulk delivery of rose tinted spectacles have just been delivered in today.

Suddenly everyone loved Heartbeat and wants it to return and ITV were idiots to axe it.

That's not how I remember it.

It was a ridiculed typical Sunday night show that had been stuck in 1969 for about 10 years and was rating much lower with each new series. It also had such an old audience and an old fashioned feel the demographics were awful. It was a bit like Last of the Summer Wine really.

This thread said it was old, clapped out and tired and should be axed. It was the sort of show people across DS demanded to be axed repeatedly.

The reason it eventually was axed was because of the financial state ITV were in at the time, all those negatives listed above meant it was top of the list to go.

The Bill was also a weekly target of ridicule as that was rating much poorer than previously. In a similar way should the BBC have kept Waterloo Road following how poorly received Cuffs was and the distinct lack of any other midweek pre watershed drama on the channel?

It's quite ironic reading these comments about bringing shows back when half the rest of the thread is demanding other long running shows are axed now. Remember how Dancing on Ice was dealt with in this thread both before it was axed and ever since?”

Well said Andy23.

Same arguments for GMTV, too.
Cory_Osborn2
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by davies88:
“Well said Andy23.

Same arguments for GMTV, too.”

Again that is your opinion.
davies88
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Cory_Osborn2:
“Again that is your opinion.”

Why, did someone say it wasn't?

What's wrong with agreeing with someone? Please explain.
Cory_Osborn2
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by davies88:
“Why, did someone say it wasn't?

What's wrong with agreeing with someone? Please explain.”

Nothing its a debate, I'm just trying to say I respect your opinion. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. 😊
tartan-belle
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“It'll be interesting to see what gets the Downton slot at Christmas this year. They really need to put something strong there so that they don't lose an entire audience to Call the Midwife which has the benefit of a Doctor Who lead in on Christmas Day.

The Durrells would've been perfect in a Christmas slot but don't think they had enough time to get one made in time.”

They could've done a tying up special of Home Fires
tartan-belle
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Hawaii 50 is a return to the old cop shows which have car chases and fighting. The sort of show that Morse killed off in the UK and everything since seems to be a murder mystery.
Worth noting that many US shows are also no different to Murder She Wrote (Castle, Mentalist, Elementary, CSI etc). A murder at the start and thena whodunnit.

Murder She Wrote is more akin to Midsomer and Rosemary & Thyme, imo. Certainly Elementary is grittier - I wouldn't call it "cozy crime" which MSW definitely is! ”

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“It's harder to revive American shows because they've normally already made over 100 episodes. If not 200.

BBC1 is rebooting two old dramas and I expect both will top 7m viewers. Maybe 10m after 7 days. Those shows?

Marple and Poirot.”

Do we know who is going to be Marple and Poirot?
Nostlagic
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Quite why British TV is so afraid of spin offs and crossovers I do not know. A Coronation Street crossover with Emmerdale could hit 10m viewers.”

It would be good viewing, but they'd have to use actors who weren't in both soaps, or it wouldn't work. For example, Kim Tate pretending to be someone else.

Originally Posted by James J:
“Shaps also axed It'll Be Alright on the Night, Rosemary and Thyme, Bad Girls, Today with Des and Mel and more. Some of those were doing respectably enough in the ratings.”

I thought they rested It'll Be Alright on the Night due to Dennis Norden's retirement?

Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“Prime Suspect was another victim of Shaps as well. His predecessor had wooed Helen Mirren to come back in 2004 so they began production. Then, when Shaps came in he told them that it would only be a one-off commission, despite Mirren and La Plante, as well as the American backers (WGBH Boston) that it would be a regular fixture if they all wanted it to be.”

Wow he really was that useless. I recall a few years later they wanted to adapt some more of the La Plante novels and asked Helen Mirren to come back again, but she refused.

Cracker returned for a one-off special in 2006 aswell. I wonder if the same thing happened there.
H of De Vil
07-09-2016
You can't ban drama on Tuesday's. ITV have done this basically for years and look where its got them. 1.8m at 8pm and 1.9m at 9pm. Not good enough.
YouView
07-09-2016
Very interesting acquisition...

Quote:
“We are delighted to have announced that we will be broadcasting the FIA Formula E Championship for the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons. Channel 5 will broadcast all FIA Formula E events live, with sister channel Spike broadcasting the qualifying rounds.

Formula E is the first all-electric motor racing series, with major players from the world of motor sport taking part. The championship is fought over by ten teams, made up of two drivers in each event across the globe, from Buenos Aires to Berlin, Mexico City to Monaco. Many of the drivers have Formula One credentials including Nick Heidfeld, Nelson Piquet Jr. and current Formula E champion Sebastien Buemi.

The sport not only embraces future technologies within motoring and motor sports, FIA Formula E also encourages fans to interact with the drivers and the sport via social media, with fans being able to vote for their favourites drivers to receive extra power or ‘FanBoost’.

The season kicks off on 9th October with coverage live from Hong Kong with Channel 5 showing every race up until New York on 30th July. FIA Formula E will complement Channel 5’s existing sport programming including EFL highlights, Test Cricket programming and boxing.”

http://www.channel5.com/formula-e

I don't think it will rate all that well, but it's good for the image of the channel. Not sure they would have gone for it if Formula 1 hadn't moved to Channel 4.
Andy23
07-09-2016
Ant and Dec set to sign new 3 year deal with ITV

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...Celebrity.html
sunbeam007
07-09-2016
I'd be interested to know how well this Barbarians Rising is doing (History Channel). It's pretty good.
burbe
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Regarding Christmas scheduling, remember that there's two Bake Off Christmas specials to schedule.

I don't expect it to go on Christmas Day (would it be a good fit?) but interesting to see what happens with that.”

I wouldn't be surprised to see it on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day to capitalise on its success! As the biggest show on TV, it does deserve these prime slots.
Pizzatheaction
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Bob Says Opportunity Knocks

Spoiler
21.3.87: 14.05m
28.3.87: 12.8m
4.4.87: 13.3m
11.4.87: 12.8m
18.4.87: 11.45m
25.4.87: 11.25m
2.5.87: 11.9m
16.5.87: 9.75m
23.5.87: 10.1m
30.5.87: 11.0m
6.6.87: 9.05m
13.6.87: 11.05m
20.6.87: 12.5m *

(*Final was at 7pm, results at 9.35pm, but this is the only rating I have)

5.3.88: 9.7m
12.3.88: 9.7m
19.3.88: 9.9m
26.3.88: 9.2m
2.4.88: 9.1m
9.4.88: 8.6m
16.4.88: 8.6m
23.4.88: 8.9m
7.5.88: 8.9m
14.5.88: 7.3m
21.5.88: 7.6m
28.5.88: 6.8m
4.6.88 (7.5pm): 8.2m
4.6.88 (9.5pm): 9.65m

4.3.89: 10.69m
11.3.89: 10.90m
18.3.89: 10.69m
25.3.89: 9.12m
1.4.89: 8.66m
8.4.89: 7.4m
15.4.89: 6.3m
22.4.89: 7.6m
29.4.89: 7.2m
13.5.89: 7.0m
20.5.89: 7.60m
27.5.89: 6.72m
3.6.89 (7.5pm): 10.81m
3.6.89 (9.45pm): 12.82m

Opportunity Knocks (with Les Dawson):

31.3.90: 6.9m
7.4.90: 7.5m
14.4.90: 6.2m
21.4.90: 6.0m
28.4.90: 7.08m
12.5.90: 5.7m
19.5.90: 6.0m
26.5.90: 5.6m
2.6.90 (7.30pm): 8.10m
2.6.90 (10.5pm): 8.79m
”

Thank you for all these old ratings, Ray.

It really fell off a cliff when Les Dawson did it. I liked Les, but the BBC didn't really know what to do with him after Blankety Blank bit the dust.

Today's talent shows could learn a thing or two from it, though. Done and dusted in under fifty minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18hig0bVOyM

ftv
08-09-2016
London's Burning is repeated quite often on London Live (which is a contradiction in terms as very little of it is live)
Cory_Osborn2
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by ftv:
“London's Burning is repeated quite often on London Live (which is a contradiction in terms as very little of it is live)”

ITV have taken the rights back now. They have done the same with Crossroads taking them from Big Centre TV. According to a tweet from Big Centre TV, ITV put the prices up to high for them to continue showing it. I expect this means ITV3 or ITV Encore will be repeating Crossroads and Londons Burning soon.
Straker
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by Nostlagic:
“Cracker returned for a one-off special in 2006 aswell. I wonder if the same thing happened there.”

And it was utterly dreadful - A real finger-wagging polemic.
Steve Williams
08-09-2016
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“As far as I know London's Burning was never connected to The Bill which is bizarre. It's a lay-up.”

Not that bizarre when one was made by Thames and the other by LWT, who hated each other.
lewiep93
08-09-2016
Overnights.tv ‏@overnightstv 14s14 seconds ago
#GBBO bread week rose to the occasion with 9.7m/44.7% on BBC1 from 8pm @LoveProdHouse @PaulHollywood http://www.overnights.tv

Overnights.tv ‏@overnightstv 9s9 seconds ago
BBC drama #OurGirl returned and conquered at 9pm, winning the slot with 3.8m/19.5% http://www.overnights.tv
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