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Old 09-09-2016, 17:16
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Speaking of ITV's crime dramas - Does anyone know what night Vincent, the Ray Winstone thing from about 10 years ago, was on? I think it was midweek and it always rated well, not sure why they never did any more of them.
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Old 09-09-2016, 17:18
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DCI Banks has always done enough to justify a renewal but I think now it's older and likely more expensive after five series and it's made by an indie and not an ITV Studio company, ITV don't need to renew it anymore especially now ratings have fallen under 4m.
I think part of the reason DCI Banks kept getting renewed is down to who made it. Andy Harries' Left Bank Pictures produced it and it was a bit of a passion project for him. He used to be an executive at Granada and shepharded Cold Feet and The Grimleys to ITV, and was a big backer of The Royle Family which started out as a Granada production but went to the BBC when they retooled it from a multi-camera studio show to a single camera one. He was pretty instrumental in getting Helen Mirren back to do Prime Suspect as well.

Part of the reason he left was due to an argument over "The Queen" which was an ITV studios TV movie, originally. He didn't feel like ITV were really taking it seriously and so got Pathe to back it with ITV still retaining a stake in it. Obviously, ITV were kicking themselves when it got nominated for Oscars and made millions, so they just wanted to be back in business with Harries again, especially after they saw how well his Strike Back series did for Sky.

DCI Banks is, like you said, something that always did just well enough to not show itself up. But I think it was mostly a bit of an enticement to get Harries to offer more stuff to ITV and it's worked, actually. The Tommy Cooper film being an example, which did alright for ITV, and they've got The Halcyon from them as well.

The weirdest thing is how "The Crown" (same writer/director/producer as The Queen) went to Netflix. I think ITV did bid for it but couldn't make the budgetary commitment that Netflix could, and they went with Victoria instead. Thankfully it's worked out OK for them, but it'll be interesting to see if they could've had a monster hit with The Crown, which does seem like it has more potential to be a long runner.
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Old 09-09-2016, 17:18
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I thought as much! It rated well, didn't it? Over 6m I'm sure. I think it was just too gritty for the time though, it'd do well now I think.
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Old 09-09-2016, 17:27
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1. The X Factor (SAT, 1900hrs) 7.96m
2. The National Lottery - In it to Win It (SAT, 2000hrs) 6.58m
3. How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria? (SAT, 2045hrs) 6.4m
4. How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria? (SAT, 1900hrs) 4.76m
5. Last Night of the Proms (SAT, 2115hrs) 4.5m
6. Who Wants to be a Millionaire? (SAT, 2000hrs) 4.24m
7. Deal or No Deal? (SAT, 1800hrs) 2.59m
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Old 09-09-2016, 17:37
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I think part of the reason DCI Banks kept getting renewed is down to who made it. Andy Harries' Left Bank Pictures produced it and it was a bit of a passion project for him. He used to be an executive at Granada and shepharded Cold Feet and The Grimleys to ITV, and was a big backer of The Royle Family which started out as a Granada production but went to the BBC when they retooled it from a multi-camera studio show to a single camera one. He was pretty instrumental in getting Helen Mirren back to do Prime Suspect as well.

Part of the reason he left was due to an argument over "The Queen" which was an ITV studios TV movie, originally. He didn't feel like ITV were really taking it seriously and so got Pathe to back it with ITV still retaining a stake in it. Obviously, ITV were kicking themselves when it got nominated for Oscars and made millions, so they just wanted to be back in business with Harries again, especially after they saw how well his Strike Back series did for Sky.

DCI Banks is, like you said, something that always did just well enough to not show itself up. But I think it was mostly a bit of an enticement to get Harries to offer more stuff to ITV and it's worked, actually. The Tommy Cooper film being an example, which did alright for ITV, and they've got The Halcyon from them as well.

The weirdest thing is how "The Crown" (same writer/director/producer as The Queen) went to Netflix. I think ITV did bid for it but couldn't make the budgetary commitment that Netflix could, and they went with Victoria instead. Thankfully it's worked out OK for them, but it'll be interesting to see if they could've had a monster hit with The Crown, which does seem like it has more potential to be a long runner.
The Crown does look good but I imagine the budget was simply too high for ITV and the BBC to commit to.

Left Bank has been hugely successful with Wallander, Outlander to name but a few successful shows as well as Andy Harries' own venture producing The Audience which was hugely successful in the West End and Broadway. I wonder had Sony not bought Left Bank if ITV would have acquired them like they did with Mammoth.

I do think DCI Banks is on its last legs and I think if Harries could offer a new crime drama to ITV, they could justify axing it
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Old 09-09-2016, 17:54
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The Crown does look good but I imagine the budget was simply too high for ITV and the BBC to commit to.

Left Bank has been hugely successful with Wallander, Outlander to name but a few successful shows as well as Andy Harries' own venture producing The Audience which was hugely successful in the West End and Broadway. I wonder had Sony not bought Left Bank if ITV would have acquired them like they did with Mammoth.

I do think DCI Banks is on its last legs and I think if Harries could offer a new crime drama to ITV, they could justify axing it
I do think ITV buying Mammoth Screen last year was a bit of a response to them not being in a financially viable bid to acquire Left Bank in 2012, which they were keen on. Having said that, I think Mammoth Screen was a good buy, especially with Poldark selling so well abroad. I think they would've gone for Carnival as well if it hadn't been bought by NBC. I think Carnival would've been a bad buy though, other than Downton and The Last Kingdom, their output has been middling.

Yes, I think if Left Bank had an idea, ITV should probably give them a commitment and cancel DCI Banks. It's clear Left Bank make stuff people want to see, so it's a good idea being in business with them. They definitely need to move quick though, because they're forming relationships with Netflix and Amazon now, and ITV might be a small fish in a big pond if they can't get a show off them.
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Old 09-09-2016, 18:05
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I do think ITV buying Mammoth Screen last year was a bit of a response to them not being in a financially viable bid to acquire Left Bank in 2012, which they were keen on. Having said that, I think Mammoth Screen was a good buy, especially with Poldark selling so well abroad. I think they would've gone for Carnival as well if it hadn't been bought by NBC. I think Carnival would've been a bad buy though, other than Downton and The Last Kingdom, their output has been middling.

Yes, I think if Left Bank had an idea, ITV should probably give them a commitment and cancel DCI Banks. It's clear Left Bank make stuff people want to see, so it's a good idea being in business with them. They definitely need to move quick though, because they're forming relationships with Netflix and Amazon now, and ITV might be a small fish in a big pond if they can't get a show off them.

ITV already had a stake in Mammoth so it as inevitable that they would be acquired by them, Mammoth has produced a lot of big hitters both for ITV and other broadcasters with ITV seeing the financial benefit when they distribute it worldwide. They have a few projects coming up like Witness for the Prosecution as well as the long in development adaptation of A Tale of Two Cities for Channel 4 as well as a number of ITV commissions.

I've noticed Cold Feet is made by Big Talk rather than ITV Studios themselves, they've done that to a number of shows like The Chase which is made by Potato and Come Dine With Me at Shiver, wonder why they do that?
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Old 09-09-2016, 18:07
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BARB's website has the ratings from mid-1998. My old ratings are mostly for the years 1983-2002.
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Old 09-09-2016, 18:10
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Paranoid Thursday 29 September at 9pm ITV according to digiguide - opposite The Fall?
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Old 09-09-2016, 18:17
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ITV already had a stake in Mammoth so it as inevitable that they would be acquired by them, Mammoth has produced a lot of big hitters both for ITV and other broadcasters with ITV seeing the financial benefit when they distribute it worldwide. They have a few projects coming up like Witness for the Prosecution as well as the long in development adaptation of A Tale of Two Cities for Channel 4 as well as a number of ITV commissions.

I've noticed Cold Feet is made by Big Talk rather than ITV Studios themselves, they've done that to a number of shows like The Chase which is made by Potato and Come Dine With Me at Shiver, wonder why they do that?
Well Potato is a subsidiary of ITV, but the usual reason they set up these companies is if they want a refresh of executives and producers, they let them go off and make a production company which usually takes over production of the show they commissioned originally, plus some original stuff.

Shiver was a merger of the Tyne Tees and Yorkshire TV factual departments, so it's always been an ITV company. I think using the "shell" companies allows ITV to sell formats easier abroad and things like that.

Not sure why Big Talk are producing Cold Feet though. Must just be for sales purposes or something.

EDIT: Just remembered that Big Talk's CEO, Kenton Allen, worked for Granada in the late 90s and I'm fairly certain he worked on Cold Feet, so that could explain it.
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Old 09-09-2016, 18:38
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Paranoid Thursday 29 September at 9pm ITV according to digiguide - opposite The Fall?
I assume I'm a Celebrity is starting on the 13th November this year which means ITV would need to double up on episodes of Paranoid if they want it to finish by then,

Well Potato is a subsidiary of ITV, but the usual reason they set up these companies is if they want a refresh of executives and producers, they let them go off and make a production company which usually takes over production of the show they commissioned originally, plus some original stuff.

Shiver was a merger of the Tyne Tees and Yorkshire TV factual departments, so it's always been an ITV company. I think using the "shell" companies allows ITV to sell formats easier abroad and things like that.

Not sure why Big Talk are producing Cold Feet though. Must just be for sales purposes or something.

EDIT: Just remembered that Big Talk's CEO, Kenton Allen, worked for Granada in the late 90s and I'm fairly certain he worked on Cold Feet, so that could explain it.
Interesting, I think ITV have got more commissions from other broadcasters through their indies rather than ITV Studios themselves, Lygo mentioned a few years back that broadcasters were wary of ITV Studios pitching shows because they assumed ITV had already turned it down. Shetland I've always wondered why that ended up on BBC One as it was the same team behind Vera but it's been a success for the BBC and ITV gets the sales so all parties are happy.
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Old 09-09-2016, 19:54
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Of course they need filler 8:00 on Monday and Friday is filled on ITV and always will be because of Eastenders.
The same can be said for 7:00 on a Sunday unless new episodes of The Chase are airing. This is the thing I think is silly a nice drama could go into this slot such as Wild At Heart.

Victoria will be straight onto ITV Encore and will likely be repeated 3 or 4 times before series 2 which I think is pretty much confirmed.
The reason movies rate rubbish is because the same movie is shown way to often ITV2 have lost Jurassic Park and Back To The Future now to Sky so we will be seeing less of those, however this week they scheduled Jack And Jill twice!.
Films pretty much have been repeated to death before they even get to terrestrial these days, and it takes something quite extraordinary to make a truly significant impact for a premiere. I think UP did pretty well and isn't the fourth Indiana Jones the highest of this decade with about 7 million? Or is it a Potter?

It might astonish some that back in the day, many people had to wait 5 years or more after cinema release to see premieres of blockbusters-the 23 million audiences for Bond and Jaws testament to the power of film to television in those days.
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:22
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Only 2 or 3 Cracker episodes were on Sunday. It was mainly a Monday drama. A dreadful one off episode after the series finished was on Sunday as was an episode from the 2nd or 3rd series. That was pretty much it.

Prime Suspect was on Sunday more than Cracker.
Well, of course, there was a bit of a hoo-ha over the scheduling of Cracker in 1995 because the first episode of the series was an extended 75 minute episode, and scheduled on Monday, which it was, it would obviously have meant News at Ten being delated. But the ITC vetoed it, because many of the regions had promised to run News at Ten in their franchise applications. So in the end they had to reschedule the first episode to a Sunday.

The bizarre thing was that two days later News at Ten was delayed for football, and everyone went "eh?". Because the rules at the time said News at Ten could move for circumstances beyond their control, which a football match was, but not just when they wanted to do it.

Not sure why Big Talk are producing Cold Feet though. Must just be for sales purposes or something.

EDIT: Just remembered that Big Talk's CEO, Kenton Allen, worked for Granada in the late 90s and I'm fairly certain he worked on Cold Feet, so that could explain it.
Just to point out, Big Talk is not a subsidiary of ITV, they are an independent company. I don't know why they're producing Cold Feet and not ITV Studios but presumably it's all been worked out legally. If Mike Bullen and Big Talk wanted to do it, and could come up with an arrangement, it's all fine. Like how TFI Friday used to be a Ginger production, now part of STV of course, but a consortium of other companies made the revival because that's where the production team happened to be working at the moment.
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:24
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Most Watched Programmes of 2016 [Top 30 - Officials]
01 - 13.58m - The Great British Bake Off (24/08/16) - BBC 1
02 - 12.27m - Euro 2016: Portugal v France (10/07/16) - BBC 1
03 - 11.94m - Britain’s Got Talent (16/04/16) - ITV
04 - 11.64m - Sherlock (01/01/16) - BBC 1
05 - 11.39m - Euro 2016: England v Iceland (27/06/16) - ITV
06 - 10.89m - Call the Midwife (06/03/16) - BBC 1
07 - 9.40m - EastEnders (01/01/16) - BBC 1
08 - 9.34m - Happy Valley (15/03/16) - BBC 1
09 - 9.25m - Wimbledon 2016: Men’s Singles Final (10/07/16) - BBC 1
10 - 9.12m - The Night Manager (27/03/16) - BBC 1
11 - 8.97m - Coronation Street (04/01/16) - ITV
12 - 8.82m - Mrs Brown’s Boys (23/07/16) - BBC 1
13 - 8.76m - Countryfile (07/02/16) - BBC 1
14 - 8.72m - Silent Witness (05/01/16) - BBC 1
15 - 8.71m - Death in Paradise (07/01/16) - BBC 1
16 - 8.57m - Olympics 2016 (16/08/16) - BBC 1
17 - 8.42m - War and Peace (03/01/16) - BBC 1
18 - 8.11m - Ant & Dec’s Saturday Night Takeaway (20/02/16) - ITV
19 - 8.06m - Attenborough and the Giant Dinosaur (24/01/16) - BBC 1
20 - 7.89m - The X Factor (27/08/16) - ITV
21 - 7.87m - The Voice UK (09/01/16) - BBC 1
22 - 7.86m - The Durrells (03/04/16) - ITV
23 - 7.75m - Still Open All Hours (24/01/16) - BBC 1
24 - 7.56m - Marcella (04/04/16) - ITV
25 - 7.51m - Victoria (28/08/16) - ITV
26 - 7.46m - Elizabeth at 90: A Family Tribute (21/04/16) - BBC 1
27 - 7.45m - Emmerdale (04/01/16) - ITV
28 - 7.44m - The Great Sport Relief Bake Off (03/02/16) - BBC 1
29 - 7.33m - Eurovision Song Contest (14/05/16) - BBC 1
30 - 7.17m - When Ant & Dec Met the Prince (04/01/16) - ITV

Most Watched Programmes of 2016 [Top 30 - Officials inc. +1]
01 - 13.58m - The Great British Bake Off (24/08/16) - BBC 1
02 - 12.46m - Britain’s Got Talent (16/04/16) - ITV
03 - 12.27m - Euro 2016: Portugal v France (10/07/16) - BBC 1
04 - 11.64m - Sherlock (01/01/16) - BBC 1
05 - 11.42m - Euro 2016: England v Iceland (27/06/16) - ITV
06 - 10.89m - Call the Midwife (06/03/16) - BBC 1
07 - 9.40m - EastEnders (01/01/16) - BBC 1
08 - 9.34m - Happy Valley (15/03/16) - BBC 1
09 - 9.25m - Wimbledon 2016: Men’s Singles Final (10/07/16) - BBC 1
10 - 9.19m - Coronation Street (26/05/16) - ITV
11 - 9.12m - The Night Manager (27/03/16) - BBC 1
12 - 8.82m - Mrs Brown’s Boys (23/07/16) - BBC 1
13 - 8.76m - Countryfile (07/02/16) - BBC 1
14 - 8.72m - Silent Witness (05/01/16) - BBC 1
15 - 8.71m - Death in Paradise (07/01/16) - BBC 1
16 - 8.69m - Ant & Dec’s Saturday Night Takeaway (20/02/16) - ITV
17 - 8.57m - Olympics 2016 (16/08/16) - BBC 1
18 - 8.56m - The X Factor (27/08/16) - ITV
19 - 8.42m - War and Peace (03/01/16) - BBC 1
20 - 8.20m - The Durrells (03/04/16) - ITV
21 - 8.06m - Attenborough and the Giant Dinosaur (24/01/16) - BBC 1
22 - 8.04m - Marcella (04/04/16) - ITV
23 - 8.00m - Victoria (28/08/16) - ITV
24 - 7.87m - The Voice UK (09/01/16) - BBC 1
25 - 7.75m - Still Open All Hours (24/01/16) - BBC 1
26 - 7.69m - When Ant & Dec Met the Prince (04/01/16) - ITV
27 - 7.66m - Emmerdale (04/01/16) - ITV
28 - 7.46m - Elizabeth at 90: A Family Tribute (21/04/16) - BBC 1
29 - 7.44m - The Great Sport Relief Bake Off (03/02/16) - BBC 1
30 - 7.38m - Vera (31/01/16) - ITV
This is a brilliant list, thanks for compiling it and to Ray Tings for the fascinating ratings of yesteryear which I can really relate to being so bl@@dy old

BBC1 quarter 1 success still very apparent, its interesting that a non England game is the top rated from Euro 2016 and on the non plus 1 list, if Strictly can squeak past BGT BBC could have the three top rated shows of the year which I cant imagine has happened all that often.
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:30
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Just to point out, Big Talk is not a subsidiary of ITV, they are an independent company. I don't know why they're producing Cold Feet and not ITV Studios but presumably it's all been worked out legally. If Mike Bullen and Big Talk wanted to do it, and could come up with an arrangement, it's all fine. Like how TFI Friday used to be a Ginger production, now part of STV of course, but a consortium of other companies made the revival because that's where the production team happened to be working at the moment.

Yeah, I knew Big Talk weren't an ITV subsidiary - isn't that the company Nira Park founded and they produce the Pegg/Frost/Wright films? What I was trying to say was that their CEO used to work for Granada at the time Cold Feet was made, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was a bit of a pet project of his to revive it and they produced it through Big Talk because of that. I must admit it did surprise me when their logo popped up at the end, I associate them more with straight sitcoms.
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:34
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Most Watched Programmes of 2016 [Top 30 - Officials]
01 - 13.58m - The Great British Bake Off (24/08/16) - BBC 1
02 - 12.27m - Euro 2016: Portugal v France (10/07/16) - BBC 1
03 - 11.94m - Britain’s Got Talent (16/04/16) - ITV
04 - 11.64m - Sherlock (01/01/16) - BBC 1
05 - 11.39m - Euro 2016: England v Iceland (27/06/16) - ITV
06 - 10.89m - Call the Midwife (06/03/16) - BBC 1
07 - 9.40m - EastEnders (01/01/16) - BBC 1
08 - 9.34m - Happy Valley (15/03/16) - BBC 1
09 - 9.25m - Wimbledon 2016: Men’s Singles Final (10/07/16) - BBC 1
10 - 9.12m - The Night Manager (27/03/16) - BBC 1
11 - 8.97m - Coronation Street (04/01/16) - ITV
12 - 8.82m - Mrs Brown’s Boys (23/07/16) - BBC 1
13 - 8.76m - Countryfile (07/02/16) - BBC 1
14 - 8.72m - Silent Witness (05/01/16) - BBC 1
15 - 8.71m - Death in Paradise (07/01/16) - BBC 1
16 - 8.57m - Olympics 2016 (16/08/16) - BBC 1
17 - 8.42m - War and Peace (03/01/16) - BBC 1
18 - 8.11m - Ant & Dec’s Saturday Night Takeaway (20/02/16) - ITV
19 - 8.06m - Attenborough and the Giant Dinosaur (24/01/16) - BBC 1
20 - 7.89m - The X Factor (27/08/16) - ITV
21 - 7.87m - The Voice UK (09/01/16) - BBC 1
22 - 7.86m - The Durrells (03/04/16) - ITV
23 - 7.75m - Still Open All Hours (24/01/16) - BBC 1
24 - 7.56m - Marcella (04/04/16) - ITV
25 - 7.51m - Victoria (28/08/16) - ITV
26 - 7.46m - Elizabeth at 90: A Family Tribute (21/04/16) - BBC 1
27 - 7.45m - Emmerdale (04/01/16) - ITV
28 - 7.44m - The Great Sport Relief Bake Off (03/02/16) - BBC 1
29 - 7.33m - Eurovision Song Contest (14/05/16) - BBC 1
30 - 7.17m - When Ant & Dec Met the Prince (04/01/16) - ITV

Most Watched Programmes of 2016 [Top 30 - Officials inc. +1]
01 - 13.58m - The Great British Bake Off (24/08/16) - BBC 1
02 - 12.46m - Britain’s Got Talent (16/04/16) - ITV
03 - 12.27m - Euro 2016: Portugal v France (10/07/16) - BBC 1
04 - 11.64m - Sherlock (01/01/16) - BBC 1
05 - 11.42m - Euro 2016: England v Iceland (27/06/16) - ITV
06 - 10.89m - Call the Midwife (06/03/16) - BBC 1
07 - 9.40m - EastEnders (01/01/16) - BBC 1
08 - 9.34m - Happy Valley (15/03/16) - BBC 1
09 - 9.25m - Wimbledon 2016: Men’s Singles Final (10/07/16) - BBC 1
10 - 9.19m - Coronation Street (26/05/16) - ITV
11 - 9.12m - The Night Manager (27/03/16) - BBC 1
12 - 8.82m - Mrs Brown’s Boys (23/07/16) - BBC 1
13 - 8.76m - Countryfile (07/02/16) - BBC 1
14 - 8.72m - Silent Witness (05/01/16) - BBC 1
15 - 8.71m - Death in Paradise (07/01/16) - BBC 1
16 - 8.69m - Ant & Dec’s Saturday Night Takeaway (20/02/16) - ITV
17 - 8.57m - Olympics 2016 (16/08/16) - BBC 1
18 - 8.56m - The X Factor (27/08/16) - ITV
19 - 8.42m - War and Peace (03/01/16) - BBC 1
20 - 8.20m - The Durrells (03/04/16) - ITV
21 - 8.06m - Attenborough and the Giant Dinosaur (24/01/16) - BBC 1
22 - 8.04m - Marcella (04/04/16) - ITV
23 - 8.00m - Victoria (28/08/16) - ITV
24 - 7.87m - The Voice UK (09/01/16) - BBC 1
25 - 7.75m - Still Open All Hours (24/01/16) - BBC 1
26 - 7.69m - When Ant & Dec Met the Prince (04/01/16) - ITV
27 - 7.66m - Emmerdale (04/01/16) - ITV
28 - 7.46m - Elizabeth at 90: A Family Tribute (21/04/16) - BBC 1
29 - 7.44m - The Great Sport Relief Bake Off (03/02/16) - BBC 1
30 - 7.38m - Vera (31/01/16) - ITV
Are these purely overnights? As BARB suggests Episode 1 of The Night Manager got 10.18m including 28 day data. I think it would be much better if the list reflected timeshifting, as it's making up more and more of the audience these days.
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:38
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Well, of course, there was a bit of a hoo-ha over the scheduling of Cracker in 1995 because the first episode of the series was an extended 75 minute episode, and scheduled on Monday, which it was, it would obviously have meant News at Ten being delated. But the ITC vetoed it, because many of the regions had promised to run News at Ten in their franchise applications. So in the end they had to reschedule the first episode to a Sunday.

The bizarre thing was that two days later News at Ten was delayed for football, and everyone went "eh?". Because the rules at the time said News at Ten could move for circumstances beyond their control, which a football match was, but not just when they wanted to do it.
That was such a stupid period. I remember it well. You can't move News At Ten then a few days later they moved News At Ten. Now ITV can move it on a whim over anything. I will never understand why they moved it to 10.30pm for a Cilla Black & Paul O'Grady entertainment show but couldn't delay it for The Brits when Adele was giving her speech and it was overrunning by about 10 minutes.
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:39
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Are these purely overnights? As BARB suggests Episode 1 of The Night Manager got 10.18m including 28 day data. I think it would be much better if the list reflected timeshifting, as it's making up more and more of the audience these days.
It's the 7-day timeshift...
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Are these purely overnights? As BARB suggests Episode 1 of The Night Manager got 10.18m including 28 day data. I think it would be much better if the list reflected timeshifting, as it's making up more and more of the audience these days.
These are 7 day consolidated ratings. We're not looking at 28 day data for this list.
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:42
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You come here and say that!

I was thinking about your schedules yesterday and they do make sense. Still think genres being mixed up on a night rather than genres being restricted to nights can make a great schedule.

This BBC1 schedule from Sunday 1st September 1985 is one of the best. Have fond memories of watching this one. Two sitcoms, drama and factual. (We'll gloss over the fact one of the sitcoms was resurrected as it buggers up my argument about bringing back old shows! ) A really nice mix. These figures posted by Ray Tings show how well it worked.

19:15 - Open All Hours: 15.69m
19:45 - Howards' Way: 9.77m
20:35 - Whicker's World: Living with Uncle Sam: 11.58m
21:30 - In Sickness and In Health: 15.58m
22:00 - News: 11.45m

ITV had a great Sunday for a few years with You've Been Framed followed by Darling Buds. Forget what came after that but it was blockbuster stuff.
Interesting to look at the way the four channel age worked there, the choices for the evening so apparent with 6 million deserting BBC1 and Howards Way, partially recovered for Whicker and then all back for the second comedy. And just look at the sitcom dominating there!!!! - where did it (almost) all go wrong?
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:43
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Just to point out, Big Talk is not a subsidiary of ITV, they are an independent company. I don't know why they're producing Cold Feet and not ITV Studios but presumably it's all been worked out legally. If Mike Bullen and Big Talk wanted to do it, and could come up with an arrangement, it's all fine. Like how TFI Friday used to be a Ginger production, now part of STV of course, but a consortium of other companies made the revival because that's where the production team happened to be working at the moment.
Er... Big Talk were bought by ITV in 2013.
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:44
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Just to point out, Big Talk is not a subsidiary of ITV, they are an independent company. I don't know why they're producing Cold Feet and not ITV Studios but presumably it's all been worked out legally. If Mike Bullen and Big Talk wanted to do it, and could come up with an arrangement, it's all fine. Like how TFI Friday used to be a Ginger production, now part of STV of course, but a consortium of other companies made the revival because that's where the production team happened to be working at the moment.
Yeah, I knew Big Talk weren't an ITV subsidiary - isn't that the company Nira Park founded and they produce the Pegg/Frost/Wright films? What I was trying to say was that their CEO used to work for Granada at the time Cold Feet was made, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was a bit of a pet project of his to revive it and they produced it through Big Talk because of that. I must admit it did surprise me when their logo popped up at the end, I associate them more with straight sitcoms.
Didn't ITV Studios buy Big Talk? That would make it a subsidiary of ITV but correct me if I'm wrong.

Endeavour is made by Mammoth Screen rather than ITV Studios so clearly ITV has no issues as they distribute anyway, Tennison which is made by Noho and LaPlante Global has a similar arrangement.
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Old 09-09-2016, 20:54
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Interesting to look at the way the four channel age worked there, the choices for the evening so apparent with 6 million deserting BBC1 and Howards Way, partially recovered for Whicker and then all back for the second comedy. And just look at the sitcom dominating there!!!! - where did it (almost) all go wrong?
Sitcoms used to be the holy grail of television, massive audiences and could go anywhere unlike many dramas of the time. Those sitcoms on BBC1 bookended a successful night. It wasn't complete domination but having two big shows boosts the overall ratings of a channel.
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Old 09-09-2016, 21:04
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I've just realised that there are 2 hours of panel quiz shows on BBC One tonight (A Question of Sport, Would I Lie to You? and We Love Sitcom). Then Mock the Week at 10pm on BBC Two.
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Old 09-09-2016, 21:08
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Sitcoms used to be the holy grail of television, massive audiences and could go anywhere unlike many dramas of the time. Those sitcoms on BBC1 bookended a successful night. It wasn't complete domination but having two big shows boosts the overall ratings of a channel.
A successful sitcom still is the holy grail on both sides of the Atlantic. Sitcoms like Seinfeld, Friends, Two and a Half Men are still playing in syndication even though they ended years ago and even current sitcoms like The Big Bang Theory are repeated regularly.
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