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Didn't ITV Studios buy Big Talk? That would make it a subsidiary of ITV but correct me if I'm wrong.
Endeavour is made by Mammoth Screen rather than ITV Studios so clearly ITV has no issues as they distribute anyway, Tennison which is made by Noho and LaPlante Global has a similar arrangement. Quote:
Panel shows have been the staple of British television for decades and that's not going to change and many are very good like WILTY, Mock the Week, Room 101 etc
I'm surprised given the success it's had in America that Whose Line it is Anyway? hasn't come back, it's had two successful run of the live shows in the West End and it's cheap to make. I think the creators have approached Channel 4 but they only want a one-off and not a series, maybe they should ask Channel 5 or Dave http://www.ukgameshows.com/ukgs/Fast_and_Loose It was from the same production team as Whose Line, and was exactly the same format, but for whatever reason they decided they never wanted to mention that (even the press release said it was "from the creators of Mock The Week"). But it was identical. It was also not very good. Quote:
I remember that night well. I wasn't allowed to stay up to watch In Sickness and in Health, but I recorded the whole series onto VHS, and watched it many times.
Some of the language is quite jarring now, though. I know it was always said the racist words were there to make Alf look like an idiot, and how the other characters would show him up as an idiot, but watching the DVDs of all six series recently, I've noticed all the characters getting some throwaway racist lines at some point, so I can't help thinking some of the words were just thrown in to get cheap laughs. Warren Mitchell was amazing in it. He put so much energy into every scene. Quote:
The Bill started out as a gritty 9pm drama, when it moved to 8pm it kept that spirit. But when it became more soap like it was ruined for me.
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Tuesday 16 August 1983
ITV 16:20 - Hold Tight!: 2.70m 16:45 - Michael Grant of Musical Youth - This is Me: 3.04m 17:15 - Regional variations * 17:45 - News: 7.39m 18:00 - Regional variations * 19:00 - The Video Entertainers: 7.25m 19:30 - Bring 'Em Back Alive: 5.67m 20:30 - Don't Rock the Boat: 7.70m 21:00 - Storyboard: Woodentop: 7.09m 22:00 - News at Ten Under 6.81m 22:30 - The Bronx: 3.17m *I don't have the figure for Crossroads but it was probably at least 10m BBC1 16:45 - Battle of the Planets: 3.05m 17:05 - John Craven's Newsround Week's average: 2.99m 17:10 - Animal Magic in Japan (R): 4.14m 17:40 - News Under 6.81m 18:00 - Regional news 18:25 - Tom and Jerry: 5.10m 18:30 - Dr Who (R) Week's average: 4.32m 18:55 - The Wonderful World of Disney: 5.87m 19:45 - The Freddie Starr Showcase: 5.75m 20:30 - Only Fools and Horses (R): 7.53m 21:00 - Nine O'Clock News: 6.9m 21:25 - Old Scores: 3.75m 22:15 - Film: The Don is Dead (Premiere): 4.30m Quote:
Ross still wants to be Letterman with the set and the anarchic questions. He was almost rude to Malkovich last night insinuating that he was not good looking.
ITV on a Saturday night is more suited to the conversational style with no desk. Aspel was perfect at it. Wogan and Parky could do it. A woman host would be a good idea. Malkovich seemed more comfortable with the Irish comedienne. She was better than Ross. Build a set like a winter cabin with a fire and comfy chairs. Some wine and nibbles and see what flows. If all of the guests are from the same movie or TV show then sobeit. Preferably not quite though. I know that sounds a bit Buble. Actually, some Des O Connor type of host could work. Anyway, I've said here before what I think the problem with Ross' show, both on ITV and the Beeb. He just can't be bothered with half of the guests. If there's a guest he's genuinely interested in it can be quite a good interview, if he's not he just absolutely goes through the motions, asks boring questions and spends more time asking them about the other guest than themselves. I don't know why they persist with this format. It would a million times better if they only had one guest he actually cared about. |
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That's about where I expected for X Factor. I would describe it as a solid rating all things considered. Hopefully it can stay above 7 million tonight and not drop too much.
I think Go For It is a great show, really fun harmless 60 minutes of TV. It'll never be the centre piece of an evening, but I think it's a nice 'warm up' show to start the night off. It's a shame it's not doing better, but it seems so much tougher now to draw a significant audience into early evening. It seems the big audience will only turn up to the centre piece, and that's it. A lot harder to keep viewers hooked to an all evening schedule on one channel. I would give Go For It another chance though, Stephen Mulhern is at perfect ease on the show and it's a nice easy format to follow and very entertaining too! Newzoids is good too, but isn't really catching on. It'll be nice to see it make some gains, ITV have at least made the effort to make this a hit by promoting it well and giving it the X Factor lead in this time. |
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I need to correct you here because I'm not suggesting one slot for drama, if you read my posts (and I feel I've repeated this ad infinitum now) I'm suggesting three slots for drama at 9pm - Sunday, Monday and Wednesday.
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Meh the summer is approaching write-off for ITV anyway given the lower audiences all round and the commercial pressures. Who cares if the summer is full of duds, I care about autumn, summer and spring and I daresay ITV do too. More than fine to go cheaper in the summer months.
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Don't be sorry - I think you're looking too much at the BBC here and forgetting their schedule architecture is different, and their pressures are lower. The core BBC audience is more likely to follow things round the schedule - think RadioTimes readers who highlight all the BBC shows to watch that week.
New Tricks is a bit of a cheap shot because that one can practically go anywhere, and has done, that is a rare breed of a show and dare I say, wouldn't really work on ITV - and if it were on ITV, you can bet your bottom dollar it'd be on Monday or Wednesday night. I'm talking about ITV here and the situation there is very different to that at the BBC in my opinion. ITV's schedule foundation is as wobbly and weak as jelly, whereas the BBC's is much more structured and cemented in the mind of the "live TV viewer". Not to mention there aren't commercial pressures. I don't understand what you're suggesting about ITV not having a schedule foundation when if anything the big problem is that the schedule is too restricted, not helped of course by the preponderance of soaps pre-watershed. That means stuff gets shoved in unsuitable slots because there's no room for it anywhere else. Jekyll and Hyde is a brilliant example, it might have worked better in an 8pm slot where it would have been out of the way of the youngest viewer and got a better lead-in than having to self-start at 7pm. But there weren't any 8pm slots so it was inelegantly crammed in. Quote:
I think you're operating from your own frame of reference and TV viewing habits here. A hell of a lot of people still watch everything in a linear fashion and know what days things are on, using TV guides or otherwise.
People like us who DVR or timeshift are not the people I'm talking about here. It's the core lot that still watch live every night and channel flick. Subliminally program those people to expect certain things (loosely) and this will help channel share, I'm certain of it! I still watch loads of live telly and I am referring here to my mum who also watches lots of live telly. She has a PVR (but doesn't trust it very much) and does watch stuff she's recorded (she only just managed to finish off the last series of Ripper Street just before the new one started), but she also makes a regular date with the soaps and uses the TV guide every night. She does what I think a lot of people do, which is watch Corrie and Emmerdale out of habit, but then when that's done and dusted, will refer to the TV guide for the rest of the evening, and take her pick from that. She knows when Corrie and Emmerdale are on, and she knows Strictly and Casualty is on Saturday and so on, but she won't remember anything else. She won't know when the last series of a drama was on and expect it on the same night. She won't be confused if the next series of Broadchurch isn't on a Monday. She'll be more likely to ask me which one it is and if I can remember if she actually watched it. And my mum's not stupid, by the way, she can do a million things at once. But she's got better things to do than remember when telly shows are on. Quote:
Tuesday night of 8pm Long Lost Family and 9pm Joanna Lumley, with Thursday of 8pm Paul O'Grady's Dogs and 9pm Trevor McDonald on Death Row - that's both nights sorted with shows that actually stand a chance of not only doing quite well but being complimentary to each other in terms of audience overlap.
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With appropriate long-term planning and a good mind for scheduling, this would largely be avoided and there would always be a solution even if it meant deviation from the normal scheduling protocols.
I mean, look at Sky Living, first it was going to be a female-focused brand that wasn't just going to be a channel but other things too, then they changed their mind and it wasn't even going to be aimed at women at all, then they put a load of original British programming on it, then they dropped it all and decided it was only going to be imports. And that's from a company that spends millions on marketing and research. Expecting coherent long term planning from TV channels is unrealistic. Most of the time they're making it up as they go along and hoping nobody notices. |
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Do we think the BBC will put The Great Christmas Bake Off on Xmas Day?
If so it's almost certain the schedule this year will be:
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I'm not attempting to rewrite history...
Also, let's remember how XF was thrashing Strictly back in '10. ![]()
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Do we think the BBC will put The Great Christmas Bake Off on Xmas Day?
CTM might go now that there is no Downton on ITV, although Christmas Day is a Sunday this year which, of course, is a traditional CTM day. They could move Dr Who to Christmas Eve as that is a Saturday this year, the traditional Dr Who day, plus the last series didn't do so well in the ratings so maybe not so worthy of a Christmas Day slot. (I know he head one last year but there was no competitive Bake Off last year.) |
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No one is denying that. You were complaining about the comparison of the shows and it was started by Simon and Louis. They don't do it now of course, they know the pecking order on a weekend now as I am sure you do even though you it's not to your liking
![]() Regarding that it's "not to my liking" - please check back to see some of my comments about XF, and you will see that I'm highly critical of both Strictly and XF, and vice versa if praise is due. Not everyone is just pro Strictly or pro XF you know, even though alot of members are on here, |
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Er, yes. What I was trying to suggest is that there is a difference between Shiver and Potato, which were existing ITV departments that have been spun off (Shiver is the old Yorkshire TV factual department, for example, and is still very much integrated into ITV) and companies like Big Talk which were existing companies which ITV bought and are operated at arm's length. If you see what I mean, Big Talk isn't just the ITV drama department with a label on it. It was a company that existed before ITV were involved.
Well, they did do a revival of Whose Line Is It Anyway on the BBC, but it wasn't called that, it was called Fast and Loose... http://www.ukgameshows.com/ukgs/Fast_and_Loose It was from the same production team as Whose Line, and was exactly the same format, but for whatever reason they decided they never wanted to mention that (even the press release said it was "from the creators of Mock The Week"). But it was identical. It was also not very good. I have always had a problem with Alf Garnett, I know the whole point of the series is that Alf is an idiot, but I always think he wins far too much. As one of the reviews of the revival the other week pointed out, Tony Booth's character is supposed to be the opposite of him, challenging his views, but he's an insufferable loudmouth as well, so you hate him too. And I just find the whole thing - whether Till Death or In Sickness And In Health - revolves so much around arguing and shouting and features so many repellent characters that it just becomes a total chore to watch. I know what Johnny Speight was trying to do and I admire him for doing it, but that doesn't mean I have to like the programme. Indeed, The Bill was of course a conventional 9pm drama before being revamped as a twice weekly year-round 8pm series. When they had the big revamp in 1998, when it went back to hour long episodes, it was all over the place for a bit, though, including a number of episodes at 9pm. Actually there was a period in 1999 where quite regularly on Tuesdays you had an hour long Emmerdale at 8pm and The Bill at 9pm. Great stuff here, of course that was the Only Fools repeat run that was considered to have been the making of the programme, as you can see it was neck and neck with the new sitcom on ITV. The kids show ratings are interesting, at that point BBC1 had far, far more repeats in the summer - more or less Newsround and Play School were the only new shows - while ITV had new content all year round, and the same was true in primetime as well, as you can see. Well, you could argue that you already have that show, and it's The Graham Norton Show, where all the guests are on together and interact and you get lots of interesting encounters. Indeed it's always a big disappointment on Norton when the guests are interviewed separately, or just with people from their own film, to the extent that I would argue if that's the only way they want to be interviewed, they shouldn't be invited on. Anyway, I've said here before what I think the problem with Ross' show, both on ITV and the Beeb. He just can't be bothered with half of the guests. If there's a guest he's genuinely interested in it can be quite a good interview, if he's not he just absolutely goes through the motions, asks boring questions and spends more time asking them about the other guest than themselves. I don't know why they persist with this format. It would a million times better if they only had one guest he actually cared about. What would be interesting is if the chats were allowed to get more serious. Norton always keep his show funny but you could go to deeper topics. If you have people from The Magnificent Seven on, you could raise the Black Lives issue. Could be very interesting TV and certainlu unusual. Kind of mixing Leno with Oprah. The show isn't live so the editor should be able to make it work. |
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No one is denying that. You were complaining about the comparison of the shows and it was started by Simon and Louis. They don't do it now of course, they know the pecking order on a weekend now as I am sure you do even though you it's not to your liking
![]() If they were both on commercial channels, I'm not sure which would generate the most money. From what I gather SCD doesn't rate especially well with the under 40s. This is all very different to GBBO which has excellent ratings with all ages. As does BGT. I agree that itv were pretty nasty to SCD at times. It was quite unpleasant. I can't blame the BBC for wanting to return the pleasantries. In recent years BBC1 has been able to give itv a bit of a kicking. Helped by some incompetence form itv. |
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I'm not sure which is the top show out of those two. Yes SCD is clearly the more popular show but I'm not convinced it is the more valuable programme.
If they were both on commercial channels, I'm not sure which would generate the most money. From what I gather SCD doesn't rate especially well with the under 40s. This is all very different to GBBO which has excellent ratings with all ages. As does BGT. I agree that itv were pretty nasty to SCD at times. It was quite unpleasant. I can't blame the BBC for wanting to return the pleasantries. In recent years BBC1 has been able to give itv a bit of a kicking. Helped by some incompetence form itv. And please everyone, this is supposed to be ligt hearted banter, please don't get all serious on me. |
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I think the BBC need to drop Doctor Who from Christmas Day, I'm a fan of the show, but it's underperforming. Boxing Day would be better.
I think ITV need to go all out and put on a big blockbuster to take on the BBC favourites. Something like this: 3:50 - Buckingham Palace at Christmas 4:20 - FILM The Lego Movie 5:50 - News 6:00 - Emmerdale 7:00 - Coronation Street 8:00 - FILM Jurassic World 10:30 - Ant and Dec's All Star Christmas Party 11:30 - News |
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Just watched the replay from XF on ITV, and they went straight into Doc Martin, not ads, no trailers, no crap.
That's how it should be done. Just needed to cut out the ident.
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So you don't think its petty on both sides? Would you agree then with an eye for an eye then?
And please everyone, this is supposed to be ligt hearted banter, please don't get all serious on me. BBC1 has pushed TXF to a later start time thanks partly to only shaving 5 minutes of an episode after each elimination. That's fine. No different to itv weaponising Emmerdale. ITV were brutal to Eldorado when it launched. That's the game. But like I said before, SCD isn't quite the dominant show the overnights suggest. |
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I think the BBC need to drop Doctor Who from Christmas Day, I'm a fan of the show, but it's underperforming. Boxing Day would be better.
I think ITV need to go all out and put on a big blockbuster to take on the BBC favourites. Something like this: 3:50 - Buckingham Palace at Christmas 4:20 - FILM The Lego Movie 5:50 - News 6:00 - Emmerdale 7:00 - Coronation Street 8:00 - FILM Jurassic World 10:30 - Ant and Dec's All Star Christmas Party 11:30 - News Surely itv would want to use a mega movie in the run up to xmas when the advertisers want it? The other problem is Jurassic is years away from terrestrial TV. Thanks for the reminder though, I need to download it as we've not caught it yet. |
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I would say "yes", except if that happened something would have to give and I'm not sure which of the usual suspects BBC1 would be willing to drop.
CTM might go now that there is no Downton on ITV, although Christmas Day is a Sunday this year which, of course, is a traditional CTM day. They could move Dr Who to Christmas Eve as that is a Saturday this year, the traditional Dr Who day, plus the last series didn't do so well in the ratings so maybe not so worthy of a Christmas Day slot. (I know he head one last year but there was no competitive Bake Off last year.) |
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Surely itv would want to use a mega movie in the run up to xmas when the advertisers want it? The other problem is Jurassic is years away from terrestrial TV.
Thanks for the reminder though, I need to download it as we've not caught it yet. Anything can be bought for the right price.
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CTM is not an ideal Christmas Day show. It would fit far better on Boxing Day or Xmas Eve. It never bothered me as I recorded it but a bit thrown away where it was.
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The comments are petty. I'm referring to the scheduling more than the comments.
BBC1 has pushed TXF to a later start time thanks partly to only shaving 5 minutes of an episode after each elimination. That's fine. No different to itv weaponising Emmerdale. ITV were brutal to Eldorado when it launched. That's the game. But like I said before, SCD isn't quite the dominant show the overnights suggest. People forget that in the early days Strictly and X Factor used to clash regularly. And performance and results shows for both were on the same night. If Strictly looks to finish by 8.15pm and ITV start X Factor around 8.15pm both would be fine. And Strictly is dominant in its timeslot. You could still make money off Strictly if it was on commercial TV as it gets 900,000+ 16-34s on a good day. Not as big as X Factor but bigger than most other shows on ITV. Then there are other demos that ads could be targeted for. Then it's actual 'live' audience, that's people watching it live rather than throughout the evening up to 2am, is substantial too. |
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Do we think the BBC will put The Great Christmas Bake Off on Xmas Day?
If so it's almost certain the schedule this year will be:
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If it's Midwife as usual it'll almost certainly be
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It would be nice if the Beeb split EastEnders again... but it's been so long since they did. I'll be interested to see how ITV responds - they could put the Birds of a Feather special on Christmas Day, if the BBC is looking too top heavy with reality and drama. |
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I think the BBC need to drop Doctor Who from Christmas Day, I'm a fan of the show, but it's underperforming. Boxing Day would be better.
I think ITV need to go all out and put on a big blockbuster to take on the BBC favourites. Something like this: 3:50 - Buckingham Palace at Christmas 4:20 - FILM The Lego Movie 5:50 - News 6:00 - Emmerdale 7:00 - Coronation Street 8:00 - FILM Jurassic World 10:30 - Ant and Dec's All Star Christmas Party 11:30 - News But this is unrealistic, so Despicable Me 2 (and Toy Story 3 if they can get it) would be better than last years Cameraman to the Queen (which did 1.06m) 3.00pm The Queen 3.10pm Despicable Me 2 5.10pm ITV News 5.30pm Emmerdale 6.30pm Coronation Street 7pm POG Dogs 8pm Coronation Street 8.30pm Grantchester 10pm Vicious Boxing Day (Coronation Street leading into Blankety Blank leading into BOAF) |
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As much as I love CTM, I wouldn't mind it Christmas Eve or Boxing Day. Spreads things out in my view.
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It's been out almost a year and half though. I'm certain ITV could get it for the right price. ITV have definitely got the money, they need to start investing some of it.
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Well the BBC has some strong shows on Christmas Day, and ITV need to make sure they can rate well and not cost too much. Therefore if I was ITV, I would be looking to ge hold of the righs to Frozen as a film to play on Christmas evening. This will pull in families as BBC1 take the older audience.
But this is unrealistic, so Despicable Me 2 (and Toy Story 3 if they can get it) would be better than last years Cameraman to the Queen (which did 1.06m) 3.00pm The Queen 3.10pm Despicable Me 2 5.10pm ITV News 5.30pm Emmerdale 6.30pm Coronation Street 7pm POG Dogs 8pm Coronation Street 8.30pm Grantchester 10pm Vicious Quote:
Can we have a Christmas without the old bag doing a speech?
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That was my point.
XF still has the crown the for highest rating episodes. Just for interest, I thought Strictly was faultering in 2009? Or have I got the wrong year? XF made history over the next few years but SCD did rally and 2010 was its best year too iirc. |
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The X Factor episode thread has 50 posts less than last Sunday's episode but around 20 more than yesterday's. Based on that it should hold up around yesterday's figure though will probably be slightly down as it has increased opposition.
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