Whoever gets the job will not be popular with the public so they may struggle to get a big name
The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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I have quite a few media people on my facebook and one actually works at Channel 4 commissioning. Apparently nobody except the executives knew and nobody is that happy about it, especially the crew of Bake Off who are BBC employees leased out to the production, apparently.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“But as a story? Can't beat it. I will buy the inevitable book on what happened here when it comes out.”
“But as a story? Can't beat it. I will buy the inevitable book on what happened here when it comes out.”
Could even rival this beauty:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Live-TV-Tel.../dp/0671015745
Apparently Channel 4 are already making big pushes to get someone signed up to host, heard rumours that they're circling Jo Brand and making a very bold offer. I think at this point they just want *someone* associated with the show in its BBC form.
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“25 pages in 24 hours, surely that's the most in a day for this thread? I can't think of anything that's been so discussed as this.”
“25 pages in 24 hours, surely that's the most in a day for this thread? I can't think of anything that's been so discussed as this.”
Rippled all the way across the pond. Yanks teary-eyed at the news and who can blame them?
Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“Apparently Channel 4 are already making big pushes to get someone signed up to host, heard rumours that they're circling Jo Brand and making a very bold offer. I think at this point they just want *someone* associated with the show in its BBC form.”
“Apparently Channel 4 are already making big pushes to get someone signed up to host, heard rumours that they're circling Jo Brand and making a very bold offer. I think at this point they just want *someone* associated with the show in its BBC form.”
Jo Brand is very BBC as well though and most of her comedy exposure comes through them (Although obviously she did Splash so she's not averse to signing up for a Turkey) Still not sure she'd go for it though- Even with the silly money attached
Originally Posted by Oliver_Tomlinso:
“The quickest dismantling of a tv show ever, quite sad really”
“The quickest dismantling of a tv show ever, quite sad really”
And not just any TV show but the biggest one on TV. In the TV world this will be remembered for years to come.
Originally Posted by jda135:
“I'd stick a cheeky fiver on it
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“I'd stick a cheeky fiver on it
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I'd put a plastic fiver on it
Originally Posted by Score:
“ITV must be pissing themselves. Their biggest ratings rival has just lost its biggest show whilst their biggest commercial rival has just spent £75 million on a soggy bottom with no talent.”
“ITV must be pissing themselves. Their biggest ratings rival has just lost its biggest show whilst their biggest commercial rival has just spent £75 million on a soggy bottom with no talent.”
Only yesterday there were suggestions here that heads would roll at ITV for letting the show slip between their fingers. I knew they were best out of it, the whole thing has quickly turned into a farce.
If Channel 4 launch Bake Off on a new channel, a commercial channel, with entirely new presenters and judges, it's basically a completely different show. They've basically just bought the name and a quite thin format.
I'm sad that one of my favourite shows has been ruined by the idiots at Love Productions but I'm glad their reputation is on the floor and that Channel 4 are many millions out of pocket for what is now bound to be one of the great flops of British TV history... if it ever makes it on screen. And kudos to the talent that have walked rather than take the 30 pieces of silver.
Absolutely gobsmacking that Love Productions negotiated without any input from the 4 stars of the show. This car crash is so richly deserved. I expect tomorrow's rating to break records for a non-final episode.
Absolutely gobsmacking that Love Productions negotiated without any input from the 4 stars of the show. This car crash is so richly deserved. I expect tomorrow's rating to break records for a non-final episode.
I should think whoever they approach to present, will wait to see if Paul and Mary sign. i'm not sure anyone would want to touch it otherwise.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I predict that the new presenters of GBBO will be Jimmy Carr and Fearne Cotton.
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“I predict that the new presenters of GBBO will be Jimmy Carr and Fearne Cotton.
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I can hear it now
"I think you've got a soggy bottom, ha ha ha ha ha harrr"
Fearne is a fan of the show and loves baking, but she riles quite a lot of people up.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
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If Channel 4 launch Bake Off on a new channel, a commercial channel, with entirely new presenters and judges, it's basically a completely different show. They've basically just bought the name and a quite thin format.”
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If Channel 4 launch Bake Off on a new channel, a commercial channel, with entirely new presenters and judges, it's basically a completely different show. They've basically just bought the name and a quite thin format.”
Agreed. It's the dynamic of the hosts along with Paul and Mary and the general tone created by them on the show which is the reason for its success. The format of the show itself is extremely basic and without the right ingredients to go with it it has little charm on its own. They've bought the rights to a tent with some baking equipment inside. Without the 4 key players the whole tone of the show will be completely different. It's destined for failure.
Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“Jo Brand is very BBC as well though and most of her comedy exposure comes through them (Although obviously she did Splash so she's not averse to signing up for a Turkey) Still not sure she'd go for it though- Even with the silly money attached”
“Jo Brand is very BBC as well though and most of her comedy exposure comes through them (Although obviously she did Splash so she's not averse to signing up for a Turkey) Still not sure she'd go for it though- Even with the silly money attached”
I agree. At least she was open about why she did Splash - they did offer an amount she couldn't refuse and she was genuinely interested in diving, after having a fear of it all her life.
Having said that, I don't think she'll want to burn her bridges with the BBC, she does a lot of stuff for them between HIGNFY, her BBC4 sitcom, appearances on Would I Lie to You and her Sport Relief challenges.
Originally Posted by marke09:
“Whoever gets the job will not be popular with the public so they may struggle to get a big name”
“Whoever gets the job will not be popular with the public so they may struggle to get a big name”
It's also off the back of high profile presenting changes to Top Gear and The X Factor in the last year or so. Bigger names and their agents will now be well aware of how badly wrong it could go, but lesser names wouldn't be big enough for the programme. They'll be a bit stuck. It'll be interesting to see what happens, especially as the irony of it all is that Mel was presenting the show on her own last week and it didn't really make a difference, but now it's all very much in the public eye.
Regarding the £25 million that Channel 4 will be paying for Bake Off.
ITV have been paying around £45 million to £50 million a year for The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent (source) since 2010, that amount has stayed flat since then because ratings have dropped.
Per hour, The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent are more affordable than Bake Off now as a result of the new deal.
ITV have been paying around £45 million to £50 million a year for The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent (source) since 2010, that amount has stayed flat since then because ratings have dropped.
Per hour, The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent are more affordable than Bake Off now as a result of the new deal.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Regarding the £25 million that Channel 4 will be paying for Bake Off.
ITV have been paying around £45 million to £50 million a year for The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent (source) since 2010, that amount has stayed flat since then because ratings have dropped.
Per hour, The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent are more affordable than Bake Off now as a result of the new deal.”
“Regarding the £25 million that Channel 4 will be paying for Bake Off.
ITV have been paying around £45 million to £50 million a year for The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent (source) since 2010, that amount has stayed flat since then because ratings have dropped.
Per hour, The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent are more affordable than Bake Off now as a result of the new deal.”
Wow, and they get so many more hours out of them- I don't know what on Earth Channel 4 were thinking and I actually don't really blame Love Productions for biting their hand off, especially without the talent- Whoever did their negotiations needs to be hired for our Brexit team quick
If the two judges have declined to move then they'll need a familiar chef to be one of the new judges. There's plenty to pick from. Worth remembering that the first show is a celebrity version for charidee and that'll rate well. One of those celebrities may join the show - think Alisha Dixon.
The hosts are crucial. They must not be Channel Foury. I'm using French and Saunders as an example but they'd skyrocket the show immediately. Mel and Sue don't compare.
How great has September been for ITV! Two hit dramas, TXF comeback and now this. Maybe they'll spend some of the saved £25m buying repeat rights to The Grand Tour.
The hosts are crucial. They must not be Channel Foury. I'm using French and Saunders as an example but they'd skyrocket the show immediately. Mel and Sue don't compare.
How great has September been for ITV! Two hit dramas, TXF comeback and now this. Maybe they'll spend some of the saved £25m buying repeat rights to The Grand Tour.
I watched part 2 of Victoria this evening. I can see why it's beating Poldark in the ratings. I never watched Downton Abbey (
) but I suspect Victoria is a lot more similar to Downton than you might have thought it would be - boo-hiss baddies, a dashing hero, a feisty young female and some (complete fictitious?) below-stairs shenanigans. ("That's a good word - shenanigans" I can imagine Miranda saying.)
I can also see similarities between the relationship between Victoria and Lord Melbourne and the relationship between Clara Oswald and the Doctor.
) but I suspect Victoria is a lot more similar to Downton than you might have thought it would be - boo-hiss baddies, a dashing hero, a feisty young female and some (complete fictitious?) below-stairs shenanigans. ("That's a good word - shenanigans" I can imagine Miranda saying.) I can also see similarities between the relationship between Victoria and Lord Melbourne and the relationship between Clara Oswald and the Doctor.
Originally Posted by davies88:
“Isn't it bad though when the UK's biggest commercial network/ station cannot make something like EPL highlights work for them.”
“Isn't it bad though when the UK's biggest commercial network/ station cannot make something like EPL highlights work for them.”
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“ITV already has lots of football people and they'd probably contract it out. I just wonder if they'd put it on at 9:30pm. That's some healthy demographics.
Really C5 should have gone got it.”
“ITV already has lots of football people and they'd probably contract it out. I just wonder if they'd put it on at 9:30pm. That's some healthy demographics.
Really C5 should have gone got it.”
Not sure why they should, I like it on the BBC. It's not to say a commercial station couldn't make Premier League highlights work, but that particular contract, at that particular time, was not considered worth it for what it gave them. Yes, they could have hired a lot of people - BT didn't even have any channels when they won live rights - but for the resources you'd have to commit to it, they decided it wasn't worth it. One obvious reason is that on Saturday night they'd have used up all their advertising minutage on The X Factor.
Originally Posted by jda135:
“TBH, it's their own fault. They should've know exactly what they were paying for (is talent guaranteed, can they use the same music, same setting, etc...)
The whole thing seems like a transfer on football Deadline Day. A lot of money thrown about, very few clear details ironed out & general unease about the whole thing (quite a few footballing examples there).”
“TBH, it's their own fault. They should've know exactly what they were paying for (is talent guaranteed, can they use the same music, same setting, etc...)
The whole thing seems like a transfer on football Deadline Day. A lot of money thrown about, very few clear details ironed out & general unease about the whole thing (quite a few footballing examples there).”
I like that. It actually reminds me a bit of when ITV poached Trinny and Susannah, but didn't buy the rights to What Not To Wear because it was a BBC format. So they ended up doing a load of contrived shows that were a bit like What Not To Wear but not as good, and What Not To Wear continued on the Beeb (it wasn't a massive hit, but then it wasn't before that, really), and it was a total waste of time and money.
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“If Mary and Paul follow Mel and Sue I think Love and Channel 4 have a crisis on their hands and would not be amazed if they do a U turn.”
“If Mary and Paul follow Mel and Sue I think Love and Channel 4 have a crisis on their hands and would not be amazed if they do a U turn.”
Well, someone I follow on Twitter said yesterday, before the news it was going to C4 broke, that he would put a tenner on the next series of Bake Off being on BBC1. I think the odds have got a bit shorter now.
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“If the two judges have declined to move then they'll need a familiar chef to be one of the new judges. There's plenty to pick from. Worth remembering that the first show is a celebrity version for charidee and that'll rate well. One of those celebrities may join the show - think Alisha Dixon.
The hosts are crucial. They must not be Channel Foury. I'm using French and Saunders as an example but they'd skyrocket the show immediately. Mel and Sue don't compare.
How great has September been for ITV! Two hit dramas, TXF comeback and now this. Maybe they'll spend some of the saved £25m buying repeat rights to The Grand Tour.”
“If the two judges have declined to move then they'll need a familiar chef to be one of the new judges. There's plenty to pick from. Worth remembering that the first show is a celebrity version for charidee and that'll rate well. One of those celebrities may join the show - think Alisha Dixon.
The hosts are crucial. They must not be Channel Foury. I'm using French and Saunders as an example but they'd skyrocket the show immediately. Mel and Sue don't compare.
How great has September been for ITV! Two hit dramas, TXF comeback and now this. Maybe they'll spend some of the saved £25m buying repeat rights to The Grand Tour.”
Alisha Dixon?? Who was so bad on Strictly they dumped her?
And French and Saunders are as BBC as they come. Saunders has even won the celeb BBC version of Bake Off. The idea they'd go over to Channel 4's version is beyond daft.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I predict that the new presenters of GBBO will be Jimmy Carr and Fearne Cotton.”
“I predict that the new presenters of GBBO will be Jimmy Carr and Fearne Cotton.
”
disasterville...I predict that within 2 series Bake Off will be back to 2.5 million viewers on C4, if they are lucky...
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I watched part 2 of Victoria this evening. I can see why it's beating Poldark in the ratings. I never watched Downton Abbey () but I suspect Victoria is a lot more similar to Downton than you might have thought it would be - boo-hiss baddies, a dashing hero, a feisty young female and some (complete fictitious?) below-stairs shenanigans. ("That's a good word - shenanigans" I can imagine Miranda saying.)
I can also see similarities between the relationship between Victoria and Lord Melbourne and the relationship between Clara Oswald and the Doctor.”
“I watched part 2 of Victoria this evening. I can see why it's beating Poldark in the ratings. I never watched Downton Abbey (
) but I suspect Victoria is a lot more similar to Downton than you might have thought it would be - boo-hiss baddies, a dashing hero, a feisty young female and some (complete fictitious?) below-stairs shenanigans. ("That's a good word - shenanigans" I can imagine Miranda saying.) I can also see similarities between the relationship between Victoria and Lord Melbourne and the relationship between Clara Oswald and the Doctor.”
COMPLETE fiction as you say... in reality,Victoria was an ugly duckling herself, and didn't like the almost obese Lord 'M'
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“What a ridiculous situation. You expect all parties to have some sense after seeing situations like this time and time again in the past, but clearly money has clouded any judgement they may possibly have had. Remarkable.”
“What a ridiculous situation. You expect all parties to have some sense after seeing situations like this time and time again in the past, but clearly money has clouded any judgement they may possibly have had. Remarkable.”
A bit like the Premier League...or the Greed League as it should be called. Money talks.
Originally Posted by robbleona:
“COMPLETE fiction as you say... in reality,Victoria was an ugly duckling herself, and didn't like the almost obese Lord 'M'”
“COMPLETE fiction as you say... in reality,Victoria was an ugly duckling herself, and didn't like the almost obese Lord 'M'
”
I'm quite happy with ITV's "cute babe" version.
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