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It's an excellent idea. It won't do great ratings so 10:30 makes sense. The BBC will be showing news.
When you watch Jimmy Fallon you realise much of the show is made up of games. Jimmy and Matt Damon have a beer pong game. It's more of a variety show. |
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I'm thinking the same - If they weren't going to consider it I think they'd have announced they weren't going by now!
I hope I'm wrong. Mary and Paul both said the show wouldn't work without Mel and Sue, but maybe the money is too big to turn down. All I will say is, that IF they go to C4, I know who I will have more respect for in the future for being true to themselves and actually putting principles and loyalty before money. |
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From memory the first week got 44k, the second 65k and week before last, 53k.
So not very well. Less than half a dozen BARB households!! I expect Mark Pougatch's cost per viewer is higher than the Bake Off crowd!! If it's not broke, improve it. |
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Late Night chat shows in the style of the American ones don't work here do they though. It'll become as diluted as the Rylan attempt earlier in the year with silly games and z list celebrities.
You need to keep it to 45mins. After adverts that's 35mins. A guest, a game, a gimmick like Jay Leno's brilliant Headlines, a stand up or second guest and a singer. Go up against regional news and Newsnight and you can hit 2m viewers. This is another great example of why itv2 should be elevated to being their BBC2. It could start there and develop there at 10pm before being brought up to the big channel. So. Blinking. Obvious. Instead it'll struggle in a bad timeslot when it isn't ready and get bad social media comments and it'll die a death. The Beowulf treatment. |
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Indeed. If they really didn't like the way things were done or really did believe that Mel and Sue were a strong part of the show, they would have issued a statement already. Either they want to do it or they don't. If they do, then just say so. If they don't, then tell us. Waiting to see how much they're offered is quite crass really. It's not like they need the money. If they stay or go, I won't watch it anyway, so it makes no odds to me. But, I don't understand the need for the silence from them. Paul might be in LA, but as far as I know they have social media, telephones, Skype and mobiles in the USA.
All I will say is, that IF they go to C4, I know who I will have more respect for in the future for being true to themselves and actually putting principles and loyalty before money. I'm sure their children and grandchildren and great grandchildren would like the headstart in life. If they do the above, either C4 or the BBC is going to give them a better deal. That could be money or new projects. |
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Indeed. If they really didn't like the way things were done or really did believe that Mel and Sue were a strong part of the show, they would have issued a statement already. Either they want to do it or they don't. If they do, then just say so. If they don't, then tell us. Waiting to see how much they're offered is quite crass really. It's not like they need the money. If they stay or go, I won't watch it anyway, so it makes no odds to me. But, I don't understand the need for the silence from them. Paul might be in LA, but as far as I know they have social media, telephones, Skype and mobiles in the USA.
All I will say is, that IF they go to C4, I know who I will have more respect for in the future for being true to themselves and actually putting principles and loyalty before money. Stay at the same company then whatever comes? |
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It's a huge decision. Negotiations takes ages. They should not say anything except let the press believe they aren't keen. Then wait for C4 to add a zero to the cheque.
I'm sure their children and grandchildren and great grandchildren would like the headstart in life. If they do the above, either C4 or the BBC is going to give them a better deal. That could be money or new projects. |
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Ambulance a behind the scenes look at the London Ambulance Service confirmed for Tuesday September 27 at 9pm on BBC One - first of 3 programmes
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So you don't like people who try and better themselves by acceoting higher pay an new challenges?
Stay at the same company then whatever comes? People should be careful in what they say if they don't mean it. Mel and Sue made no secret about their feelings and stuck to their principles. How can a person's principles be taken seriously if they are just cast aside for a few extra bucks? Working in television isn't the same as changing from Tesco's to Sainsbury's for a better position. Careers are often limited with scope and longevity. Once you start down a messy road for bucks and self interest, people quickly turn away from you and a new star comes along to take your place. |
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Ambulance a behind the scenes look at the London Ambulance Service confirmed for Tuesday September 27 at 9pm on BBC One - first of 3 programmes
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Mary Berry gets tons of BBC work outside of Bake Off. I've never seen her on Channel 4, infact the only channel I have seen her on is ITV on Through The Keyhole. She is often on BBC radio and has her own baking shows there to. I'm sure they will create something new for her and Paul if they chose to stay. I think if either Mary or Paul go to Channel 4 they would be cutting ties with the BBC.
I don't believe they should be loyal to the BBC. We've seen channels dump people and no one blinks an eye. Noel Edmonds needed 4 to resurrect his career. I suspect he could have made more money on ITV in the 1980s. I might be wrong on this but did C4 'make' Mel and Sue? |
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Ambulance a behind the scenes look at the London Ambulance Service confirmed for Tuesday September 27 at 9pm on BBC One - first of 3 programmes
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It's a huge decision. Negotiations takes ages. They should not say anything except let the press believe they aren't keen. Then wait for C4 to add a zero to the cheque.
I'm sure their children and grandchildren and great grandchildren would like the headstart in life. If they do the above, either C4 or the BBC is going to give them a better deal. That could be money or new projects. I'm sorry, but you can't pass off following the cash as an altruistic reason. |
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That's not what I said. Berry is a multi-Millionaire. She has said that she wouldn't do Bake Off without Mel and Sue. Hollywood is a millionaire. He said he wouldn't like it if Bake Off went to another channel. How on earth are their families going to struggle considering the BBC both made them stars and the money that went with it?
People should be careful in what they say if they don't mean it. Mel and Sue made no secret about their feelings and stuck to their principles. How can a person's principles be taken seriously if they are just cast aside for a few extra bucks? Working in television isn't the same as changing from Tesco's to Sainsbury's for a better position. Careers are often limited with scope and longevity. Once you start down a messy road for bucks and self interest, people quickly turn away from you and a new star comes along to take your place. I feel like I'm having a pop at you and I really am not. I'm just trying to see it from the ahem other side. |
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I appreciate that but it still means they should be driving the best deal out of the BBC that they can get. They won't do that by ruling out options.
I don't believe they should be loyal to the BBC. We've seen channels dump people and no one blinks an eye. Noel Edmonds needed 4 to resurrect his career. I suspect he could have made more money on ITV in the 1980s. I might be wrong on this but did C4 'make' Mel and Sue? Ant and Dec are great presenters and have success... if the format's good. Red or Black was a notable flop for them, Push the Button as well. Their only step into feature films was awful. Clearly they realised that for a show to be successful, you need all the parts, not just a few of them. |
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Sorry JamesJ but ITV should have a drama on Tuesdays lined up.
8.00 Parking Wars 9.00 Car Wars both first of three programmes |
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God what's this nonsense about giving their grandkids a head start in life? Paul Hollywood is a multi millionaire and so is Mary Berry - they're both in comfortable enough positions to help their grandkids if they wanted to.
I'm sorry, but you can't pass off following the cash as an altruistic reason. Clearly the show is worth far more than it used to be. Thanks in part to them. Ant and Dec talked up Amazon and Netflix when they were negotiating with ITV. No different. |
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Mel is co-presenting the new big hope got BBC1 on Saturdays. I'm sure they've made a business decision.
I feel like I'm having a pop at you and I really am not. I'm just trying to see it from the ahem other side. Now Paul and Mary may have had a bit more notice and it's very possible that their agents are entertaining offers, because that's what agents do. However, it's a different case because Channel 4 clearly weren't that bothered about Mel and Sue and didn't even approach their agents about it. Channel 4 (or Love) only approached them after the news broke and made derisory offers (a small increase, most likely) which probably just cemented their feelings of hurt, so they took themselves off the table. I genuinely don't think both judges will go. It's possible Paul might, but the longer he leaves it, the worse the backlash will be if he goes. I think the whole Top Gear fiasco will be very fresh in his mind - does he want to be the only person steering the ship? Does he want all the headlines saying that he's the reason if it flops? |
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Yes, they don't need to be 'loyal' but if they have any brains, they'll realise the show works because of all four of them, not just the judges. You only have to look at people like Dermot O'Leary. He left the X Factor and assumed anything he wanted to do would be an instant success, but the Getaway Car was awful. So he came back to the X Factor. What he didn't realise (and the producers) was that Dermot is just one factor in the show's success.
Ant and Dec are great presenters and have success... if the format's good. Red or Black was a notable flop for them, Push the Button as well. Their only step into feature films was awful. Clearly they realised that for a show to be successful, you need all the parts, not just a few of them. |
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Remember Derek Jameson?
I recall doing one that I think he presented from the stage of the Windmill Theatre in the West End. It was quite entertaining and he was a genial host. Has been good on my CV to say I have 'starred in the West End' - even if that is pushing it and there were probably more people in the audience than watching on Sky. ![]() I also can say I have done 'performances' from Wembley and a casino in Surfer's Paradise - which are also true - though a bit of a stretch. Or more like a lot of one! |
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And theyve earned that wealth. If they want to stay loyal to Love Productions then that's up to them.
Clearly the show is worth far more than it used to be. Thanks in part to them. Ant and Dec talked up Amazon and Netflix when they were negotiating with ITV. No different. I'm not denying that the two judges are part of its success, but so are Mel and Sue. Bake Off wouldn't be so successful if it was on commercial TV - part of the reason it's so big is because there's no prize on offer and the people are genuinely wanting each other to do well and it's based on talent alone. Bake Off's ratings in Series 1 were pretty poor and it would've been canned on another channel, but the BBC saw potential and let it grow. Hollywood wasn't known before Bake Off, the BBC made him into a household name. Mary Berry's cookbooks were successful but not on the levels she is now. I think both realise that. |
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Yes, they don't need to be 'loyal' but if they have any brains, they'll realise the show works because of all four of them, not just the judges. You only have to look at people like Dermot O'Leary. He left the X Factor and assumed anything he wanted to do would be an instant success, but the Getaway Car was awful. So he came back to the X Factor. What he didn't realise (and the producers) was that Dermot is just one factor in the show's success.
Ant and Dec are great presenters and have success... if the format's good. Red or Black was a notable flop for them, Push the Button as well. Their only step into feature films was awful. Clearly they realised that for a show to be successful, you need all the parts, not just a few of them. Alesha Dixon had a lot to thank SCD for. She still ditched them. She's not taking shade for it. And yes, I know, she was not a key ingredient... It's up to them what they do. Why I've written 324 posts on this site about it in 24 hours is proof that I've lost all perspective.
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In other news, Channel 5 have commissioned Tony Robinson's Coast to Coast which is a travelogue where Tony is walking from the East coast of England to the West Coast of England, I assume this will be a 9pm show but it's good that Channel 5 have managed to attract someone to the channel who hasn't worked with them before and the series itself sounds interesting.
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I don't think that's anything to do with it. Yes, they both have BBC shows but the main part of it (knowing what I know) seemed to be that a) they feel it's not a show that will work on commercial TV, its uniqueness comes from being on a PSB with no ads, and b) that they weren't even consulted and only found out through the press that the show was moving.
Now Paul and Mary may have had a bit more notice and it's very possible that their agents are entertaining offers, because that's what agents do. However, it's a different case because Channel 4 clearly weren't that bothered about Mel and Sue and didn't even approach their agents about it. Channel 4 (or Love) only approached them after the news broke and made derisory offers (a small increase, most likely) which probably just cemented their feelings of hurt, so they took themselves off the table. I genuinely don't think both judges will go. It's possible Paul might, but the longer he leaves it, the worse the backlash will be if he goes. I think the whole Top Gear fiasco will be very fresh in his mind - does he want to be the only person steering the ship? Does he want all the headlines saying that he's the reason if it flops? But I hope the GBBO is a smash on C4 because I want people to have programmes on tv that they enjoy. |
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The Fall confirmed for 9pm BBC2 Thursday 29 September
The Sir Terry Wogan tribute programme is now confirmed for 9pm Friday September 30th |
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