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Old 15-09-2016, 15:34
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Not sure if this was known either:

https://www.skymedia.co.uk/opportuni...-jimmy-fallon/

Tonight Show is coming to E! from Q4 2016. Could be big for them.
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Old 15-09-2016, 15:46
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Can't Pay is doing great, I wouldnt be surprised if it hits 2m in the overnights soon. Bake Off seems to have benefited a bit from the publicity of the move to Channel 4.

Despite the increase from last week, I think Our Girl won't be renewed same with DCI Banks
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Old 15-09-2016, 15:53
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Not sure if this was known either:

https://www.skymedia.co.uk/opportuni...-jimmy-fallon/

Tonight Show is coming to E! from Q4 2016. Could be big for them.
It's been on CNBC for years. I'm guessing it won't be on there anymore?
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Old 15-09-2016, 16:44
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Not sure if this has been posted but Text Santa has been axed
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Old 15-09-2016, 16:46
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This Jay Hunt who didn't really rate Mel and Sue as mainstream presenters.

Am I correct it was her who appointed the God Awful Alyesha Dixon to the judging panel of Strictly, where she was way out of her league. The situation was only fixed when Simon Cowell took her to BGT, which is much more her stryle.
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Old 15-09-2016, 16:47
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I wouldn't blame Paul & Mary for staying with the show. Why should they give up a show they clearly love doing just because it has moved channels? Regardless of the pay packet (which I'm sure they'll consider, they'd be idiots not to), if they enjoy doing it then why not carry on?

Plus, surely they'd just be depriving millions of fans of the show they love? Mel & Sue already have done in order to make a statement, which was all very noble of them but ultimately whether they agree with what's happened or not, the show could have continued in pretty much the exact same form for the millions of fans it has, had they not left. For that reason I wouldn't blame Paul & Mary for moving with it.

I can see the arguments for not moving and taking a BBC deal as well, but I don't think it makes them awful people (as some on here seem to be making out) if they decide to stay with the show.
It's much harder after the statement Mel and Sue put out. Now it's perceived as a betrayal of the BBC and a money-grubbing whereas they might feel loyalty to the people who actually created the show and made them famous.

I do love what the BBC have done because they've portrayed themselves as the little guy. This is like afarmer deciding to sell his fruit to the CoOp rather than Sainsbury's and Sainsbury's winning the public support over the farmer.

As someone who has worked in marketing, this is a lesson in how to win the PR war. Take note, Starbucks.
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Old 15-09-2016, 16:47
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From what I'm being told, negotiations are over for today. Not a clue what that means as of yet but considering negotiations were ongoing until really late last night, I'd guess it means someone has either signed a deal or taken themselves off the table.
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Old 15-09-2016, 16:49
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This Jay Hunt who didn't really rate Mel and Sue as mainstream presenters.

Am I correct it was her who appointed the God Awful Alyesha Dixon to the judging panel of Strictly, where she was way out of her league. The situation was only fixed when Simon Cowell took her to BGT, which is much more her stryle.
Yep, the very same! And considering Alesha's hiring came hot off the heels of Miriam O'Reilly's sacking from Countryfile, it just added fuel to the flames with the speculation that Jay Hunt was ageist. (I agree actually!)
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Old 15-09-2016, 16:50
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The Butterman Speaks!!

http://www.bigissue.com/the-mix/news...e-to-channel-4

He loves M&S and Mary:

The artist formerly known as Johnny Rotten added: “It is their comedy lines and routines that kept the show to be of any interest at all. And the doddering old dowager, her cake reviews are pretty special.”
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Old 15-09-2016, 16:55
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She does seem to be the big factor in all of this. I think there's a bit of psychology going on. Apparently Jay never really rated Mel and Sue that much when she was at the BBC, thinking they were too niche to do any primetime shows. Having said that, she also apparently thinks Mel and Sue should be loyal to her, not the BBC, as it was under her tenure (despite her being in charge of BBC1 and not BBC2) that Bake Off was commissioned.

Hunt already has form in this area though, so it's no surprise. When at Five, the day after she started she poached Natasha Kaplinsky and ruined her career after about 3 months. When she started on Channel 4 she poached Matt Frei and Michael Crick from the BBC. And let's not forget them outbidding everyone else to snatch the Paralympics. Now that actually worked out well for them and their coverage was good, but the BBC weren't happy about it.

I'd love to get inside her head!
Natasha Kaplinsky spent a good chunk of her time on Channel 5 News on maternity leave and ratings with the stand ins did the same as when she was on it, it's no surprise that they didn't renew her contract.

When Channel 4 poaches talent, sometimes it works like with Mary Portas, Jamie Oliver, George Clarke etc but some like Ruth Watson failed badly 5 were very lucky to get a strong replacement with Alex Polizzi who has become a key talent for them as well as her shows on BBC Two.
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Old 15-09-2016, 16:57
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Yep, the very same! And considering Alesha's hiring came hot off the heels of Miriam O'Reilly's sacking from Countryfile, it just added fuel to the flames with the speculation that Jay Hunt was ageist. (I agree actually!)
Thank's very much Nakatomi. Oh I had forgotten about the Miriam O'Reilly situation. She was behind that as well. Wow she's done quite some damage over the years.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:01
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I *think* I get her thinking. If she comes out straight away and says "I'm not going" and Paul does, it could come off looking like Paul is going straight for the money, and as they're close friends she doesn't want that, and she doesn't want to influence what he chooses (i.e. if Mary stays with the BBC, Paul might feel forced to stay as well). If she waits for Paul to announce he's going to Channel 4 and Mary doesn't go, at least she can stick with her reasoning of "I always said Mel and Sue were a huge factor but I have taken the opportunity to reduce my workload as well as support my friends." and knowing she had no influence over Paul's decision.

It's a difficult one really, I wouldn't want to be their agents.
If Mel and Sue chose not to switch, I'm not sure why they are owed any loyalty. That was their decision and good luck to them. But it's not like they were fired.

That's assuming C4 did actually want them. Which you suggested might not be totally the case if the offer was 'derisory'. If that's true, Mel and Sue have cleverly misled everyone.

Incidentally, if they had no idea about the negotiations then they need new agents.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:02
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Hunt's proof that mediocrity rises to the top (with the helping hand of nepotism along the way) failing as she goes and being handsomely rewarded for that failure. I fully expect C4 to give her a bonus for nabbing GBBO even if P&M refuse to come with. That's the way the world works now with companies chucking money at inept execs as part of some ludicrous face-saving exercise.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:10
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Great news. It was a pathetic excuse for a charity tv event. No more cringeworthy Corrie 'sketches' then.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:11
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If Mel and Sue chose not to switch, I'm not sure why they are owed any loyalty. That was their decision and good luck to them. But it's not like they were fired.

That's assuming C4 did actually want them. Which you suggested might not be totally the case if the offer was 'derisory'. If that's true, Mel and Sue have cleverly misled everyone.

Incidentally, if they had no idea about the negotiations then they need new agents.
I think the opening offers were very derisory but I think it was always clear that Mel and Sue were not going to go to another channel, otherwise Channel 4 might have made a realistic offer. Don't think their agents even went to them with it, they knew what the answer would be.

It's why ITV didn't bid - they wanted the whole package including Mel and Sue. Channel 4 clearly think they can squeeze a show out of the leftovers.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:13
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Incidentally, if they had no idea about the negotiations then they need new agents.
If what I'm being led to believe is true, nobody outside of the two execs in charge of Love Productions and Jay Hunt, as well as their lawyers, knew about the negotiations with Channel 4. I know some people who are pretty high up in the list at Channel 4 and they had no clue until shortly before the story broke.

Negotiations for talent weren't even due to begin until October, so it really came as a shock that the show had been moved to another channel.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:13
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Great news. It was a pathetic excuse for a charity tv event. No more cringeworthy Corrie 'sketches' then.


Could they now return to Children In Need as noticed that since Text Santa started the rival soaps didnt do any sketches for CiN
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:16
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I think the opening offers were very derisory but I think it was always clear that Mel and Sue were not going to go to another channel, otherwise Channel 4 might have made a realistic offer. Don't think their agents even went to them with it, they knew what the answer would be.

It's why ITV didn't bid - they wanted the whole package including Mel and Sue. Channel 4 clearly think they can squeeze a show out of the leftovers.
I see. So Mel and Sue decided that their careers are better served being on the BBC. Probably correct.

What is clear is that Mary does not owe them any loyalty and she certainly doesn't need their blessing. She needs to do what Mel and Sue did and do what she wants to do.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:20
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I see. So Mel and Sue decided that their careers are better served being on the BBC. Probably correct.

What is clear is that Mary does not owe them any loyalty and she certainly doesn't need their blessing. She needs to do what Mel and Sue did and do what she wants to do.

Well Mel is already confirmed as host of the new Take That talent show on prime time Saturday Night on BBC 1 - so if she went to CH 4 would it have been an exclusive contract and if so that would have ruled her out for that job
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:21
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I see. So Mel and Sue decided that their careers are better served being on the BBC. Probably correct.

What is clear is that Mary does not owe them any loyalty and she certainly doesn't need their blessing. She needs to do what Mel and Sue did and do what she wants to do.
Oh I agree that she doesn't owe them anything. However they're very close friends and Mary has always been very open about how important she feels Mel and Sue are. I'm not sure a lot of people know but Sue has known Mary for at least 15 years and Mary was one of the behind the scenes researchers and test chefs for the Supersizers TV series that Sue did with Giles Coren.

Mary has said that Mel and Sue make her feel comfortable as normally she wouldn't be that comfortable judging someone else's baking. Mary's said to be heartbroken as well because she loves the BBC and how supportive they have been. She doesn't think she'd be given the same slots and nurturing on a commercial channel that the BBC give her, especially at her age.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:45
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How close a format could the BBC do to make a show as similar to Bake Off as possible? do they have any leeway over the format at all?
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:48
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Oh I agree that she doesn't owe them anything. However they're very close friends and Mary has always been very open about how important she feels Mel and Sue are. I'm not sure a lot of people know but Sue has known Mary for at least 15 years and Mary was one of the behind the scenes researchers and test chefs for the Supersizers TV series that Sue did with Giles Coren.

Mary has said that Mel and Sue make her feel comfortable as normally she wouldn't be that comfortable judging someone else's baking. Mary's said to be heartbroken as well because she loves the BBC and how supportive they have been. She doesn't think she'd be given the same slots and nurturing on a commercial channel that the BBC give her, especially at her age.
Now those are good reasons not to move/stay. She needs to decide if she thinks she will still enjoy being on GBBO. She might never get to work with Mel and Sue again anyway. They do seem to be finding their own projects like French and Saunders did.

She could try to get a Claire Balding contract and stay mobile. C4 could offer that.

One thing I do know, Paul and Mary must ensure that if they do stay with the show, they must insist that there is no third judge. Once you get a third judge, you start to lose your power.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:52
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How close a format could the BBC do to make a show as similar to Bake Off as possible? do they have any leeway over the format at all?
And would the BBC board allow it or would it be seen as going against their charter?

They lost the Voice so came up with the Take That show. I suppose that's as close as they felt they could be.
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Old 15-09-2016, 17:59
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One thing I do know, Paul and Mary must ensure that if they do stay with the show, they must insist that there is no third judge. Once you get a third judge, you start to lose your power.
Dredd is available apparently.
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Old 15-09-2016, 18:07
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Not sure if this has been posted but Text Santa has been axed
Was announced in about April that it wouldn't be returning
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