The Ratings Thread (Part 68)

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James J

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by marke09:
“Return of the Apprentice is not going down too well on twitter with some saying its boring its past its sell by date same thing year in year out why cant it go to Channel 4 too”

When is it due to TX? Has there been a trailer? Is that why people are talking about it?

marke09

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by James J:
“When is it due to TX? Has there been a trailer? Is that why people are talking about it?”

Yeah very small quick trailers with Lord Sugar doing an O shape (BBC One) Claude just nodding his head and Karen staring down the camera

If its to TX on a Wednesday then earliest it could start would be October 12

marke09

17-09-2016

Wonder if Mel or Sue or both go public tomorrow in the Sunday papers about whats happened this week

stv viewer

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by marke09:
“Wonder if Mel or Sue or both go public tomorrow in the Sunday papers about whats happened this week”

They might wait till after the bake off final has aired.

Jay Lee

17-09-2016

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sunbeam007

17-09-2016

Same tweets will be written about SCD, BGT, XF, Celeb, Dr Who....

ftv

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“They might wait till after the bake off final has aired.”

Or until after the two Christmas specials have been recorded......

A.D.P

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Same tweets will be written about SCD, BGT, XF, Celeb, Dr Who....”

It's interesting In this day and age how everything is taken out of context. One person types a tweet, then that's , considered a lot of people. Papers do this, the tabloids look through forums like thus or Twitter to find a win that meets their view and then say Socaol media tsunami backlash, when it's one person.

This week The Express did an online article comparing BBC costs like Match if the Day to GBBO, it was so flawed, but at 2 pm, it was The Express opinion, by 4 pm, it was a social media storm. Actually they started it, one person responds favourably and they change it from their opinion, thus us how tabloids operate.

The Article compared increased costs of PL Football, to GBBO, didn't mention PL came out of the sports budget and other sports dropped due to it, didn't mention four million MOTD viewers, or MOTD2 or football focus, or the new premier league show, or that they run August to May, but felt that £25 million for ten hours and an extra slice was fair.

But that's so called Journalism for you.

A.D.P

17-09-2016

Another independent company has wade into the discussion and said Love Productions has behaved due gracefully....

Poldark's producer is not happy about "disgraceful" Great British Bake Off move
"The BBC can have Poldark as long as they want.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/great-b...ove-channel-4/

Everyone and their mother in TV land is throwing their two cents into the Great British Bake Off drama, and now the producer of Poldark and Victoria has weighed in, too.

Damien Timmer of Mammoth Screen has hit out at Love Productions for not renewing with the BBC and signing on with Channel 4 to the tune of £25 million a series.

Speaking to The Daily Telegraph, Timmer said: "I think Love Productions' behaviour has been disgraceful. Treating the BBC with such little respect, I think it's shameful. I'm aghast that a production company would behave like that."

Cestrian18

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by ftv:
“Or until after the two Christmas specials have been recorded......”

Do we think they're even going to happen, with Mel and Sue at war with the producers and the most of the production team being unhappy with the move- If they haven't been filmed, It would surely be an exceptionally frosty environment to work in?

Dancc

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Another independent company has wade into the discussion and said Love Productions has behaved due gracefully....

Poldark's producer is not happy about "disgraceful" Great British Bake Off move
"The BBC can have Poldark as long as they want.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/great-b...ove-channel-4/

Everyone and their mother in TV land is throwing their two cents into the Great British Bake Off drama, and now the producer of Poldark and Victoria has weighed in, too.

Damien Timmer of Mammoth Screen has hit out at Love Productions for not renewing with the BBC and signing on with Channel 4 to the tune of £25 million a series.

Speaking to The Daily Telegraph, Timmer said: "I think Love Productions' behaviour has been disgraceful. Treating the BBC with such little respect, I think it's shameful. I'm aghast that a production company would behave like that."”

But as was pointed out in the Telegraph version of this story which DS has reworded is Timmer's company is owned by ITV, so his view on this may well have been very different had ITV got their hands on it.

And indeed we all know what happened a few short months after The Voice's production company Talpa was taken over by ITV, so they have previous.

As for Timmer's comments, I'm more aghast at the fact they didn't take all necessary steps to protect their product and ensure it was fit for a move in the first place. It was, quite clearly, all about the money and getting the contract signed as soon as possible. But I am sure had they gone about things differently they could have kept hold of Mel & Sue and been in a much stronger position to make this move a success.

sunbeam007

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by ftv:
“Or until after the two Christmas specials have been recorded......”

It'll be very old news by then.
I'm not sure what they would say. They could say how disappointed they were that it left the BBC. They could say how angry they are that they chose to quit rather than stay with the show. They could say they were the core of the show and it is a joke that C4 were offering big pay rises to the judges but not to them.

Or they could say that they had a wonderful time on it, are very thankful for the opportunity LP gave them and wish the show all the best in the future. And then pump up their new BBC programmes.

marke09

17-09-2016

Jamie Oliver is ruling himself out

Jamie Oliver has addressed rumours he could be in the line-up to judge the next series of The Great British Bake Off, admitting: “I would get massive cred from my kids”.

However, despite sparking rumours just days ago, the star has said his work schedule is too busy at the moment.

Forty-one-year-old Jamie, who recently welcomed his fifth child, previously said he’d “love” to be a judge on the baking show.

“We watch Bake Off. The whole family loves it,” he told Now magazine last week. “Secretly, there’s always a part of me in mourning because I’d love to be one of the judges.”

However, fans of the celebrity chef will be disappointed to hear it’s unlikely that he will be joining the panel.

“As much as I would get massive cred from my kids for having any kinda role, I’ve totally got my hands full even if I was asked, which I haven’t been,” he told the Telegraph.

Read more at http://www.whatsontv.co.uk/news/jami...bWiZt4d42kh.99

sunbeam007

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“It's interesting In this day and age how everything is taken out of context. One person types a tweet, then that's , considered a lot of people. Papers do this, the tabloids look through forums like thus or Twitter to find a win that meets their view and then say Socaol media tsunami backlash, when it's one person.

This week The Express did an online article comparing BBC costs like Match if the Day to GBBO, it was so flawed, but at 2 pm, it was The Express opinion, by 4 pm, it was a social media storm. Actually they started it, one person responds favourably and they change it from their opinion, thus us how tabloids operate.

The Article compared increased costs of PL Football, to GBBO, didn't mention PL came out of the sports budget and other sports dropped due to it, didn't mention four million MOTD viewers, or MOTD2 or football focus, or the new premier league show, or that they run August to May, but felt that £25 million for ten hours and an extra slice was fair.

But that's so called Journalism for you.”

Your first para is spot on. Twitter is an echo chamber and people seek confirmation bias from it. You follow like-minded people.

The BBC made a financial decision re MOTD and GBBO. It's worth noting that itv thought it didn't make financial sense but C4 does think their deal makes sense. From that you could say the BBC chose the wrong one.

However, there are other factors. MOTD is like a loss-leader to the BBC. It's like Sky News or Sky Arts to sky.

thengp12

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“
Spoiler

Most Watched Programmes of 1994

Spoiler

1. Olympic Ice Dance Championship (Feb 21) (BBC1): 23.95m (9pm: Torvill and Dean) / 20.65m (8pm-9.40pm) *
2. The National Lottery Live (Nov 19) (BBC1): 20.17m
3. Coronation Street (Feb 14) (ITV): 19.68m (excluding repeat)
4. EastEnders (Oct 27) (BBC1): 19.31m (excluding repeat)
5. Heartbeat (Nov 20) (ITV): 17.76m
6. Casualty (Nov 19) (BBC1): 17.24m
7. You've Been Framed! (Sept 4) (ITV): 16.96m
8. Emmerdale (Jan 6) (ITV): 16.84m
9. London's Burning (Nov 20) (ITV): 16.80m
10. The Grand National (Apr 9) (BBC1): 16.72m
11. The Bill (Mar 18) (ITV): 16.45m
12. Soldier Soldier (Dec 13) (ITV): 16.30m
13. The Utterly Worst of Alright on the Night (Apr 10) (ITV): 16.16m
14. A Touch of Frost (Jan 30) (ITV): 15.77m
15. Do It Yourself, Mr Bean (Jan 10) (ITV): 15.60m
16. It'll Be Alright on the Night 7 (R) (Jan 2) (ITV): 15.44m
17. Film: Licence to Kill (Premiere) (Jan 3) (ITV): 15.31m
18. Cracker (Dec 5) (ITV): 15.24m
19. One Foot in the Grave (Dec 25) (BBC1): 15.14m
20. Barrymore (Jan 8) (ITV): 15.12m
21. Strike It Lucky (Dec 29) (ITV): 14.85m
22. Peak Practice (May 10) (ITV): 14.74m
23. Big Break (Jan 8) (BBC1): 14.73m
24. This Is Your Life: Jill Summers (Feb 2) (ITV): 14.46m
25. Back to School, Mr Bean (Oct 26) (ITV): 14.45m
26. Gladiators: The Grand Final (Jan 1) (ITV): 14.35m
27. Film: Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves (Premiere) (Dec 25) (BBC1): 14.32m
28. Film: Three Men and a Little Lady (Premiere) (Feb 6) (ITV): 14.11m
29. Film: Twins (R) (Mar 6) (BBC1): 13.95m
30. Film: Honey, I Shrunk the Kids (Premiere) (Jan 9) (ITV): 13.85m
31. Birds of a Feather (Dec 24) (BBC1): 13.79m
32. It'll Be Alright on the Night 8 (Dec 10) (ITV): 13.74m
33. Keeping Up Appearances (Dec 25) (BBC1): 13.69m
34. Catherine Cookson's The Cinder Path (Apr 17) (ITV): 13.60m
35. Bruce Forsyth's Play Your Cards Right (Apr 8) (ITV): 13.52m
36. Police Stop! (Sept 7) (ITV): 13.49m
37. Charles: the Private Man, the Public Role (Jun 29) (ITV): 13.45m
38. Film: Turner & Hooch (R) (Jan 16) (ITV): 13.43m
39.= Blind Date Wedding and the Best of the Rest (Feb 12) (ITV): 13.42m
39.= 2 Point 4 Children (Sept 5) (BBC1): 13.42m
41. World Cup Final: Italy v Brazil (Jul 17) (BBC1): 13.40m

* Broadcast's William Phillips wrote:
"Yes, the Olympic ice dancing set an all-comers' record for a sports audience. It was the 22nd most-watched programme of any sort, but on any commonsense definition it wasn't the '23.95 million' leaked to a gullible press. As with World Snooker in 1985 and the Grand National 'actual race' two years ago, the BBC has been cherrypicking. The most-watched 19 minutes within a 97-minute relay - Torvill and Dean's turn - has been extracted and retrospectively declared a separate programme. The Broadcast Book of Golden Deeds has no more regard for such chicanery than for another absurdity invented by the BBC: the 'composite audience' obtained by adding a repeat. This week's number one audience covers BBC1's whole skating show. Torvill and Dean were most popular in the South West, least so in Central Scotland and Ulster. They were seen by four-fifths of housewives and children watching television. So rare a lily needs no gilding, but ITV's Monday mid-peak frailty helped. There were 4.6m viewers for Law and Disorder (115th); 2.9m, one of its lowest scores, for World in Action ; and 3.2m for the final Under the Hammer, showing the public cannot imagine Victor Meldrew as a skirt-chasing aesthete."

”

I am surprised that the 1994 Eurovision Song Contest does not feature seeing as it had the now iconic Riverdance routine. Thanks for taking us back to the year of my birth!

marke09

17-09-2016

Sounds as if Jay wanted GBBO just to get one back at her rival Charlotte Moore

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...tish-bake-off/

sunbeam007

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“But as was pointed out in the Telegraph version of this story which DS has reworded is Timmer's company is owned by ITV, so his view on this may well have been very different had ITV got their hands on it.

And indeed we all know what happened a few short months after The Voice's production company Talpa was taken over by ITV, so they have previous.

As for Timmer's comments, I'm more aghast at the fact they didn't take all necessary steps to protect their product and ensure it was fit for a move in the first place. It was, quite clearly, all about the money and getting the contract signed as soon as possible. But I am sure had they gone about things differently they could have kept hold of Mel & Sue and been in a much stronger position to make this move a success.”

So generous of the maker of Poldark to let the BBC carry on buying Poldark from him. Especially when there's probably nobody else who would buy it.

Score

17-09-2016

Exactly. The problem here is the utterly incompetent way they have gone about making the move, rather than the move itself. Not keeping the talent involved was insanity. That Sun article a few posts upwards is again saying (as I've seen elsewhere) that ITV didn't want to commit unless the talent was attached but it seems C4 went in all guns blazing without considering that. If Mary and Paul don't go with it that deal isn't looking great. It already looks worse value for money than ITV's Syco deal.

As for Timmer's comment about them having Poldark for as long as they like, I did have to laugh as I can't imagine anyone else is exactly sniffing around for it anyway!

ftv

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“So generous of the maker of Poldark to let the BBC carry on buying Poldark from him. Especially when there's probably nobody else who would buy it.”

The BBC bought the rights to the Poldark books for the original series back in 1975.As far as I know they still have the rights.

sunbeam007

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by marke09:
“Sounds as if Jay wanted GBBO just to get one back at her rival Charlotte Moore

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...tish-bake-off/”

Holly Bell, a runner-up in the 2011 series of Bake Off, said: “I and other GBBO contestants have heard Sue talking about not doing another season for some time.

Straker

17-09-2016

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/0...-wont-be-pret/

Quote:
““Jay’s made a terrible mistake, hasn’t she?” said one TV industry insider. “She’s about to ruin Britain’s favourite TV programme by doing a Top Gear on it.””

Quote:
“Hunt cut her teeth at BBC News, but when the news broke about Mel and Sue leaving Bake Off, a BBC journalist texted me: “Nothing short of unbridled joy among BBC News staff, that their former colleague Jay Hunt has f***ed something up quite so drastically.””

A.D.P

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by Straker:
“http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/0...-wont-be-pret/”

Hunt will not be in her job by the time GBBO transmits, if it does on 4, and maybe gone by year end, as she has messed up so badly.

Aaron_2015

17-09-2016

Amazing how some people on here are fortune tellers isn't it? Yet strangely enough, they've never picked the right lottery numbers!

davies88

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Amazing how some people on here are fortune tellers isn't it? Yet strangely enough, they've never picked the right lottery numbers! ”

It's easier to criticise something you can predict.

SG87

17-09-2016

Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Hunt will not be in her job by the time GBBO transmits, if it does on 4, and maybe gone by year end, as she has messed up so badly.”

The whole situation is starting to become massively over exaggerated. It might be a mess up but once everything has blown over (and it will), it should still have a strong audience by Channel 4 standards and be profitable for them.

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