The Ratings Thread (Part 68)

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Cestrian18

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I think Britian's Got Talent suffered due to the ridiculous scheduling where it aired away from half term week, immediately excluding many families with children who had to get the latter to bed at an earlier time for school the next day. That and the first live show was horrific; I don't know what they were playing at by airing that as the first live show but it was an uphill battle from there.

If they stick Britain's Got Talent to half term and help the talent in terms of production (at the moment they seem to be hindering it more than anything) then there's no reason IMO that the live shows can't hold up better - it's not a super serious talent show and hasn't been since David Walliams joined so there's no reason why it should suffer in the same way The X Factor and The Voice UK both are. It doesn't help that The X Factor and The Voice UK are both fishing in the same talent pool either; I still don't know why the BBC bought it - if the purchase of the you-know-what by Channel 4 is against the broadcaster's remit then the arrival of The Voice UK wasn't too far off breaking the BBC's.”

Yeah, there's definitely an element of that and I think BGT 2016 was their SCD 2009, and it'll give them a kick up the jacksie to sort out the problems, particularly with the scheduling and the live shows.

Although, generally people do turn up for the final of BGT and it was on a Saturday again but it absolutely flopped (which was probably the ratings surprise of the year for me) suggesting some element of live show fatigue. I know it's probably got problems, but I'd be tempted to introduce some of the US format to it and have Saturday/Sunday Performance/results shows (It'd also get some more ad revenue for those at ITV towers)

Fudd

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Strictly Come Dancing : 8.64m (44.9%)
*peak: 9.46m (47.2%) at 19.50”

This means nothing but interesting to note as we've touched on Britain's Got Talent. There were 19.24m people watching TV last night during Strictly compared to 20.07m watching during the Britain's Got Talent final. So Strictly beat the BGT final figure despite more people watching TV during the latter.

For The X Factor: 20.06m were watching TV across it's slot. Again, compared to Strictly...

James J

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“This means nothing but interesting to note as we've touched on Britain's Got Talent. There were 19.24m people watching TV last night during Strictly compared to 20.07m watching during the Britain's Got Talent final. So Strictly beat the BGT final figure despite more people watching TV during the latter.

For The X Factor: 20.06m were watching TV across it's slot. Again, compared to Strictly...”

You've really got the knives out today haven't you?

Actually a bit surprised by it.

ftv

25-09-2016

Next Saturday Strictly is scheduled 6.20-8.25 and TXF 8-9.30 pm

Dan R

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by James J:
“You've really got the knives out today haven't you? Actually a bit surprised by it.”

His downplaying and doom-mongering is pretty desperate!

Fudd

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“Yeah, there's definitely an element of that and I think BGT 2016 was their SCD 2009, and it'll give them a kick up the jacksie to sort out the problems, particularly with the scheduling and the live shows.

Although, generally people do turn up for the final of BGT and it was on a Saturday again but it absolutely flopped (which was probably the ratings surprise of the year for me) suggesting some element of live show fatigue. I know it's probably got problems, but I'd be tempted to introduce some of the US format to it and have Saturday/Sunday Performance/results shows (It'd also get some more ad revenue for those at ITV towers)”

SCD actually had two badly received years - 2008 with the controversial semi final scoring meaning the public couldn't save one of the contestants, leading to the vote being carried over and all contestants making the final, and 2009 where Alesha replaced Arlene and nothing seemed to come off. 2010 was a return to form with a change of set and a likeable cast.

Strictly came off a brilliant series 5 with a poor series 6 and 7 but managed to bounce back. I'd say Britain's Got Talent's decline has been slower and gradual which may be more dangerous in the long run and the warning signs aren't as obvious. Strictly also retained most of it's viewers despite the poor series, resulting in people giving series 8 a chance; the audition period of Britain's Got Talent has managed this as well. The X Factor hasn't had that opportunity.

I wonder if the BBC will see Britain's Got Talent week as a potential weak spot now which could be exploited, particularly the 9pm hour - Silent Witness x2, Happy Valley, Doctor Foster, Have I Got News For You/Goodnight Sweetheart would really have a chance now.

Fudd

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by James J:
“You've really got the knives out today haven't you? Actually a bit surprised by it.”

That wasn't meant to be a knife-wielding exercise that time.

Just interested because sunbeam007 mentioned the shares were holding up though the figures themselves weren't.

Of course, to put the knives away, Britain's Got Talent was up against the Champions League final this year which wouldn't have meant some of the valuable demographic would have probably been down the pub instead of sitting at home. They surely won't make that mistake again.

Aaron_2015

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“His downplaying and doom-mongering is pretty desperate! ”

Just like those religiously defending a certain light entertainment show...

Jokanovic

25-09-2016

Considering the poor opposition I did think XF would do slightly better. That lottery show, amongst all of them, is by far the worse.
Is that all BBC are going to offer till the end of the year ? If so then if XF lives can't improve on last year then they never will.
Decent though for XF.
Great start for SCD. They have some good contestants this season, some look to be very good dancers as well. Bodes well.

Dan R

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Just like those religiously defending a certain light entertainment show...”

Just like those who hold weird grudges against certain posters on the forum, and argue with their every post as a result...

mogzyboy

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“His downplaying and doom-mongering is pretty desperate! ”

Can't argue with facts dear.

How much further does it have to fall before the costs of producing it are too expensive? Can't be too long now.

May as well stick Corrie there - gets similar numbers but costs so much less per episode.

Incidentally, the 6-chair thing is far too long-winded. They should've just gone from Boot Camp to Judges Houses.

Chris1964

25-09-2016

The Voice wasn't poached though. The makers iirc had a substantially bigger bid from ITV but chose the BBC (and further to that I read the initial ITV takeover discussions were on the basis that TVUK would remain at the BBC). I can only guess at the reason but I think part of it was the sheer exasperation at the BBC's failure to find any entertainment format in-house that would rise anything much above plodding or dire. Maybe no-one other than Danny Cohen would have made such a play for it though.

I still maintain TVUK was success story on BBC1, there was a whirlwind of bad press at the start and it could have been an absolute disaster, but in the end it was only ITV's takeover and the associated politics which caused its move a full five series on. Ratings are falling for talent based shows, as a single gimmick I think the spinning chairs are the most compelling element of the formats out there. Its only fair to add though that the rest of format never really established much momentum.

The Voice will probably have stiffer opposition on ITV than it did for the most part on BBC1-interesting to see how resilient it is.

Oliver_Tomlinso

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by James J:
“You've really got the knives out today haven't you? Actually a bit surprised by it.”

No facts allowed

Dan R

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“Can't argue with facts dear.

How much further does it have to fall before the costs of producing it are too expensive? Can't be too long now.

May as well stick Corrie there - gets similar numbers but costs so much less per episode.

Incidentally, the 6-chair thing is far too long-winded. They should've just gone from Boot Camp to Judges Houses.”

You're right, you can't argue with facts such as these -
-XF beating SCD in every age group below 55 (or 45, can't remember off the top of my head)
-it is ITV's third-biggest show
-today or tomorrow will show that the auditions were in fact up YOY
-it is the most talked-about TV show

Of course, that all *screams* of a show that's about to be axed right? You're just as bad as ADP, though nowhere near as funny.

Oliver_Tomlinso

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“You're right, you can't argue with facts such as these -
-XF beating SCD in every age group below 55 (or 45, can't remember off the top of my head)
-it is ITV's third-biggest show
-today or tomorrow will show that the auditions were in fact up YOY
-it is the most talked-about TV show

Of course, that all *screams* of a show that's about to be axed right? You're just as bad as ADP, though nowhere near as funny. ”

Is it really the most talked about tv show? Ive heard more talk about GBBO

Fudd

25-09-2016

Though if everything is fine and dandy in the world of The X Factor why does Simon Cowell chop and change the cast every single year? Considering series 8 rated better than 9, which rated better than 10 etc. Surely by now it's a case of it is what it is and consistency can't make things any worse. Series 10 held up better than any other series year-on-year since the series 8 auditions yet he still overhauled the panel for 11. So maybe he doesn't think the show is doing well enough?

As a disclaimer I admit he HAD to do something about last year.

mogzyboy

25-09-2016

The main difference between me and ADP is that I actually like TXF. But, unlike yourself, my head isn't buried in the sand with regard to its figures. No matter how you dress it up - and god knows you dress it up in any number of ways - the general trend is downwards.

I very much doubt it's talked about as much as Bake Off.

Jokanovic

25-09-2016

Anything for the darts last night on BBC2 ?

Fudd

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“The Voice wasn't poached though. The makers iirc had a substantially bigger bid from ITV but chose the BBC (and further to that I read the initial ITV takeover discussions were on the basis that TVUK would remain at the BBC). I can only guess at the reason but I think part of it was the sheer exasperation at the BBC's failure to find any entertainment format in-house that would rise anything much above plodding or dire. Maybe no-one other than Danny Cohen would have made such a play for it though.

I still maintain TVUK was success story on BBC1, there was a whirlwind of bad press at the start and it could have been an absolute disaster, but in the end it was only ITV's takeover and the associated politics which caused its move a full five series on. Ratings are falling for talent based shows, as a single gimmick I think the spinning chairs are the most compelling element of the formats out there. Its only fair to add though that the rest of format never really established much momentum.

The Voice will probably have stiffer opposition on ITV than it did for the most part on BBC1-interesting to see how resilient it is.”

The Voice UK's arrival certainly hadn't helped The X Factor. If it had been Channel 5 or, even at a stretch, Channel 4 who had bought it then it'd be one of those things but the BBC probably missteped with it's purchase in my view. It's one thing to produce a copycat in house but to buy in it...

Are we still waiting for the panel to be confirmed for The Voice UK next year and, if so, aren't they leaving it a but late if they want to air it in Quarter One?

Andy23

25-09-2016

Quote:
“21:40 – 3.19m (16.1%) – Mrs Brown’s Boys start time
21:45 – 3.56m (19.3%)
21:50 – 4.16m (23.5%)
21:55 – 4.47m (25.2%)
22:00 – 4.96m (28.9%)
22:05 – 5.15m (30.4%)
22:10 – 4.15m (25.7%) – BBC News start time
22:15 – 4.06m (25.9%)
22:20 – 4.14m (26.8%)
22:25 – 4.05m (26.8%)”

That breakdown for Mrs Brown's boys looks unexplainable.

It almost looks like default viewing where half the viewers didn't even see the start.

Newzoids is a difficult one to schedule as the 50/50 mix of celebrity and politics puts it 50% out of place wherever it goes and probably helps to alienate half the viewers who are watching.

Dan R

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Though if everything is fine and dandy in the world of The X Factor why does Simon Cowell chop and change the cast every single year? Considering series 8 rated better than 9, which rated better than 10 etc. Surely by now it's a case of it is what it is and consistency can't make things any worse. Series 10 held up better than any other series year-on-year since the series 8 auditions yet he still overhauled the panel for 11. So maybe he doesn't think the show is doing well enough?

As a disclaimer I admit he HAD to do something about last year.”

I didn't really say everything is fine and dandy, this poster made XF out to be the worst-rating show on TV.

And I think Simon made a massive mistake changing the panel for series 11. I think he got too bogged down in wanting to see 2010-style figures again, whereas had it stayed close to 2013's number nobody would be complaining. I actually S11 was excellent but the panel was off, hence the ratings declined a bit more.

Score

25-09-2016

What point are you even making? The total audiences aren't that different and BGT was against the Champions League Final.

That total audience seems low in XF's slot. There wasn't one last year but the 6 Chair shows in 2014 and 2013 got 7.85m/34.6% and 7.83m/35.7% respectively. Given all that's happened since I don't think last night is a bad result.

sunbeam007

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Some breakdowns (spoilered as they are very long).

BBC 1

Spoiler

18:00 – 4.06m (27.0%)
18:05 – 4.20m (27.6%)
18:10 – 4.43m (28.3%)
18:15 – 4.72m (29.9%)
18:20 – 4.96m (30.8%)
18:25 – 5.35m (32.6%)
18:30 – 6.39m (37.1%) – Strictly start time
18:35 – 7.38m (41.2%)
18:40 – 7.87m (42.5%)
18:45 – 8.10m (43.1%)
18:50 – 8.20m (42.8%)
18:55 – 8.46m (44.1%)
19:00 – 8.76m (45.3%)
19:05 – 8.81m (45.2%)
19:10 – 9.02m (46.0%)
19:15 – 9.02m (46.0%)
19:20 – 9.07m (46.1%)
19:25 – 9.35m (47.5%)
19:30 – 9.27m (47.4%)
19:35 – 9.16m (46.9%)
19:40 – 9.39m (47.6%)
19:45 – 9.44m (47.7%)
19:50 – 9.46m (47.2%)
19:55 – 8.41m (43.0%)
20:00 – 4.36m (22.3%) – National Lottery start time
20:05 – 3.43m (17.4%)
20:10 – 3.30m (16.7%)
20:15 – 3.21m (17.2%)
20:20 – 3.19m (16.0%)
20:25 – 3.24m (16.2%)
20:30 – 3.36m (17.2%)
20:35 – 3.31m (17.1%)
20:40 – 3.26m (16.2%)
20:45 – 3.32m (16.5%)
20:50 – 3.81m (19.4%) – Casualty start time
20:55 – 4.09m (19.9%)
21:00 – 4.28m (20.5%)
21:05 – 4.20m (21.1%)
21:10 – 4.22m (20.1%)
21:15 – 4.24m (20.2%)
21:20 – 4.29m (20.9%)
21:25 – 4.37m (21.4%)
21:30 – 4.44m (21.1%)
21:35 – 4.60m (23.2%)
21:40 – 3.19m (16.1%) – Mrs Brown’s Boys start time
21:45 – 3.56m (19.3%)
21:50 – 4.16m (23.5%)
21:55 – 4.47m (25.2%)
22:00 – 4.96m (28.9%)
22:05 – 5.15m (30.4%)
22:10 – 4.15m (25.7%) – BBC News start time
22:15 – 4.06m (25.9%)
22:20 – 4.14m (26.8%)
22:25 – 4.05m (26.8%)
22:30 – 3.93m (26.6%) – Match of the Day start time
22:35 – 4.14m (28.4%)
22:40 – 3.90m (27.3%)
22:45 – 3.88m (27.8%)
22:50 – 3.83m (28.6%)
22:55 – 3.66m (28.3%)

ITV (inc. +1)

Spoiler

18:00 – 1.72m (11.5%)
18:05 – 1.67m (11.0%) – ITV Regional News start time
18:10 – 1.67m (10.7%)
18:15 – 1.69m (10.7%) – ITV News and Weather start time
18:20 – 1.72m (10.6%)
18:25 – 1.68m (10.2%)
18:30 – 1.81m (10.5%) – You’ve Been Framed! start time
18:35 – 1.57m (8.8%)
18:40 – 1.64m (8.8%)
18:45 – 1.72m (9.1%)
18:50 – 1.80m (9.4%)
18:55 – 1.80m (9.4%)
19:00 – 1.68m (8.7%) – Go for It start time
19:05 – 1.81m (9.3%)
19:10 – 1.76m (9.0%)
19:15 – 1.75m (8.9%)
19:20 – 1.80m (9.1%)
19:25 – 1.75m (8.9%)
19:30 – 1.87m (9.6%)
19:35 – 1.98m (10.2%)
19:40 – 1.94m (9.8%)
19:45 – 2.06m (10.4%)
19:50 – 2.27m (11.3%)
19:55 – 2.70m (13.8%)
20:00 – 6.00m (30.7%) – The X Factor start time
20:05 – 6.95m (35.3%)
20:10 – 7.18m (36.3%)
20:15 – 5.86m (31.5%)
20:20 – 7.31m (36.7%)
20:25 – 7.62m (38.1%)
20:30 – 7.22m (36.9%)
20:35 – 6.77m (35.1%)
20:40 – 7.88m (39.1%)
20:45 – 7.71m (38.4%)
20:50 – 6.43m (32.7%)
20:55 – 7.52m (36.6%)
21:00 – 7.71m (36.8%)
21:05 – 6.22m (31.2%)
21:10 – 7.58m (36.0%)
21:15 – 7.71m (36.8%)
21:20 – 7.10m (34.5%)
21:25 – 6.85m (33.5%)
21:30 – 7.52m (35.7%)
21:35 – 6.22m (31.3%)
21:40 – 7.34m (37.0%)
21:45 – 4.93m (26.7%)
21:50 – 2.93m (16.5%) – Newzoids start time
21:55 – 2.59m (14.6%)
22:00 – 2.30m (13.4%)
22:05 – 2.16m (12.7%)
22:10 – 2.24m (13.8%)
22:15 – 1.77m (11.3%)
22:20 – 1.68m (10.9%) – The Jonathan Ross Show start time
22:25 – 1.75m (11.6%)
22:30 – 1.92m (13.0%)
22:35 – 1.70m (11.6%)
22:40 – 1.78m (12.5%)
22:45 – 1.80m (12.9%)
22:50 – 1.49m (11.1%)
22:55 – 1.67m (12.9%)

”

Why does XF keep having 5 minute intervals where it loses 1.5m viewers? Adverts?

Aaron_2015

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“The main difference between me and ADP is that I actually like TXF. But, unlike yourself, my head isn't buried in the sand with regard to its figures. No matter how you dress it up - and god knows you dress it up in any number of ways - the general trend is downwards.

I very much doubt it's talked about as much as Bake Off.”

Don't worry about it, you really can't present an alternative viewpoint to Dan R, because there's always some sort of excuse.

It certainly isn't talked about as much as Bake Off - anywhere.

Oliver_Tomlinso

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The Voice UK's arrival certainly hadn't helped The X Factor. If it had been Channel 5 or, even at a stretch, Channel 4 who had bought it then it'd be one of those things but the BBC probably missteped with it's purchase in my view. It's one thing to produce a copycat in house but to buy in it...

Are we still waiting for the panel to be confirmed for The Voice UK next year and, if so, aren't they leaving it a but late if they want to air it in Quarter One?”

Apparently auditions start Wednesday 19th October, panel should be announced soon

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