2.1m/10.2% tuned in for the latest #GrandDesigns on Channel 4 last night. Up +23% and 24% for vol and share on the slot average
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1.88m (9.0%) exc. +1

A shame that we won't see numbers like this again for it or any other Wednesday programme for some time.

Brilliant for bake off

Why would the spinning chairs round not be enjoyable on ITV? Both shows might be good (or bad).

Can't Pay? We'll Take It Away! (perfect title for a documentary about Love Productions):
1.50m (7.1%) excluding +1

One of the papers calling these final few BBC GBBO eps "an elegy". Hard to disagree with that.

Beeb needs to enforce the year gap and get their own version onscreen in August next year.

And that is why TVUK on ITV I think will be a ratings disaster. ITV doesn't have the casual viewer interest that BBC1 has with some of the programmes they show. And many who watched it on BBC1 will stay with BBC1.

The Gary Barlow thing, even if dull as dishwater - as TVUK was, will still rate in the 4-5m bracket because its typical BBC1 talent show, and safe.

The judges were key for ITV to reate some interest in the shows move. Well they failed. I dn't hold out much hope for TVUK and TVKids

A good number there and I love the joke too

Brilliant!

Did Conviction make BBC2's top 3 for the night Ray?

Superb rating. The BBC will miss this. And Ch4 will regret it. Bake-Off will not even get half of this rating on Ch4.

I am of the age where I think when shows are on a channel, they should not be poached by others unless said channel no longer wants it. The BBC are prohibited from poaching other channels shows so others shouldnt do it to them. Its the principal of the thing. Secondly, I always preferred the musical format of the BBC's talent shows so naturally I will be more drawn to them. The spinning chairs were not necessarily enjoyable. There was just nothing else on at the time.

Great British Menu: 1.37m (7.3%)
Conviction: Murder at the Station: 1.23m (5.9%)
Coast: the Great Guide: 1.14m (4.8%)

But if you can't poach another channel's shows, why would a channel offer more than a nominal sum for a show?
ITV could turn to Simon Cowell and say, 'yes, these two new shows of yours are both getting 10m viewers so we are offering you £1m for BGT and XF. That is more than you can get from anyone else.'

Production companies are stuck. If you can't leave the BBC, I doubt The Voice or Formula 1 or Premier League would have rejected/left ITV for BBC1.
BBC Studios will soon be playing the same game.

I like that we have all assumed that the Voice will be up against Barlow. We should know soon.

I think any future BBC baking comp with Mary Berry, Mel and Sue could easily reach these heights. Those 3 were the key ingredients to Bake Off's appeal, certainly not Hollywood

BBC News (10pm): 4.04m (26.4%)
GPs: Behind Closed Doors: 0.93m (4.0%)
Penelope Keith's Hidden Villages: 0.81m (3.4%)
World of Weird: 0.62m (4.5%) 700k (5.1%) inc. +1
Undercover: Nailing the Fraudsters: 0.61m (4.4%)
Britain's Lost Masterpieces: 0.51m (2.5%)
Hollyoaks (E4): 0.48m (2.8%)
King Alfred and the Anglo-Saxons (R): 0.47m (2.0%)
Rome: a History of the Eternal City (R): 0.31m (2.2%)
Hell's Kitchen: 0.30m (1.4%)
Containment: 0.22m (1.1%)
The Force: Essex: 0.16m (1.1%)
Shades of Blue: 0.09m (0.4%)

excluding +1

Thanks Ray

Superb rating for Ch5 against Bake-Off. Should be 1.1m inc+1. Shows that you can still get an audience up against a monster hit.

GP Surgeries at War coming soon to ITV.

I don't mean to be personal, but I assume you are relatively young compared to me, I am approaching 50. Youngsters seem to have no problem with a capitalist money grabbing world because society has created the Dog eat dog scenario we now find ourselves in. Production companies are mainly loyal to broadcasters who commissioned their shows because it brings in more revenue for them via other commissions and from the way they behave towards a broadcaster. It's all well and good taking shows from one channel to show yourself, but it does the reputation of that company no favours because once shows lose popularity, the broadcaster you stung might not use you and other broadcasters may feel "Uhm, not sure. If it gets popular they might take it away from us!"

Principles seem to be a thing of the past, and if the BBC ever poached Simon Cowell to deliberately harm ITV's ratings, I would be just as opinionated about that. The Voice, in reality, is not a very good show anyway. Beyond the spinning chairs there is no soul. I think the BBC deliberately let it go to avoid more scrutiny from the Government. But, the principle remains the same. You simply don't go around nicking other channels shows that are successful because you are unable to find a hit yourself. If Love Productions wanted commercial and sponsorship deals through Bake Off, they should have kept pestering C4 from the off. C4 didn't want it. ITV didn't want it. Nobody wanted it.

Sorry for my long grumblings, but I just believe courtesy and etiquette are more important than mega bucks and a bad reputation. Perhaps the things I believe in are a dying trend, and I'm sad about that, but the world has become greedy and unethical. I'm glad I won't be around in 50 years time to see it become even worse.

Fantastic for Bake Off as usual! BBC are going to miss them! Great rating for Can't Pay too.

Hearig a Tory voter say this is hilarious.


Good number for Bake Off.

Tory voters do not share every single value that Tories have. They just think they're better than the alternative. Not all of us are rich, money grabbing elitists you know!

Not entirely directed at you, but since its moved from BBC1 to ITV this seems to be the changing opinion.

When it was on BBC1, many on here raved about it, defended it. SamuelW, ADP, icedragon used to be very vocal about supporting this show, but I imagine they have no interest in it anymore.

But its taken a move from BBC to ITV for many to admit, it isn't a very good show. In fact its pants!

A show without ads that suddenly gets ads will always become an inferior version of the former. I have always said that The Voice is only watchable when the spinning chairs are in it. Last series, I even openly admitted that it was boring and I stopped watching after about three weeks. ITV will get as much commercialisation out of The Voice as they can. After all, why wouldn't they. But, it will be totally unwatchable due to the "Will anyone turn for this singer? Find out after the break" inclusions.

Jake Kanter reporting that ITV are "banging down Amazon's door" for second run rights to Jeremy Clarkson's new vehicle The Grand Tour, and that the possibility of such a deal occurring has not been comprehensively ruled out by the firm, although publicly they of course claim otherwise.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/amazon...-air-tv-2016-9

No offence taken. I'm not young, we aren't far apart.

The instinct I have is that if you can not move your product, you are at the mercy of the broadcaster. The small guy is dominated by the big guy.

PDC darts has just been shown on the BBC. There's a possibility that other tournaments could end up on the beeb. The PDC owes everything to sky. Now I don't know if sky are pleased or not about Barry Hearn trying to get darts on the BBC and I don't care. The BBC offers intangibles and that is why people offer them products.

It's the same reason the NFL allow the BBC to show the Superbowl which is a bit of a kick in the teeth to sky after the way sky kept the NFL breathing in the UK in thr 90s.

They are business decisions made by the sports but they can't grumble if sky dumped them. However content is king and they're betting sky need them in what is a symbiotic relationship.

It's worth remembering that broadcasters can treat a sport or show badly when they tire of it. ITV are going to have to give horse racing CPR after the way C4 has abused it and people on here have posted about the way ITV treated Home and Away.

It's not fair that the BBC can't poach shows but then that's because of the unique way the BBC is funded. I'm pleased BBC Studios will be able to compete soon.

It's a business decision whether to take the most money or protect buyer relationships. Love Productions may have made a mistake and may go bust because of it. That's on them.

If you're a farmer who has always sold to Morrison's and suddenly you switch to selling to Tesco, good look to you. Just don't complain if Tesco ditch you at a later date and no other supermarket wants your sausages.

As you say, Love has harmed its reputation but they had no obligation to stay with the BBC. I'm sure Endemol would like the BBC to keep buying more Total Wipeouts from them but the BBC made a business decision to not renew the contract.