The Ratings Thread (Part 68)

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sunbeam007

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“A show without ads that suddenly gets ads will always become an inferior version of the former. I have always said that The Voice is only watchable when the spinning chairs are in it. Last series, I even openly admitted that it was boring and I stopped watching after about three weeks. ITV will get as much commercialisation out of The Voice as they can. After all, why wouldn't they. But, it will be totally unwatchable due to the "Will anyone turn for this singer? Find out after the break" inclusions.”

Don't watch live tv.

sunbeam007

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Jake Kanter reporting that ITV are "banging down Amazon's door" for second run rights to Jeremy Clarkson's new vehicle The Grand Tour, and that the possibility of such a deal occurring has not been comprehensively ruled out by the firm, although publicly they of course claim otherwise.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/amazon...-air-tv-2016-9”

Great find, thanks.
Amazon would be crazy to announce anything until after this has finished. They've timed it to sell Amazon membership in the shopping season after all.

It makes perfect sense to show it on ITV. Get some money back and increase awareness for the second series. That's assuming it's a good programme.

Dancc

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Great find, thanks.
Amazon would be crazy to announce anything until after this has finished. They've timed it to sell Amazon membership in the shopping season after all.

It makes perfect sense to show it on ITV. Get some money back and increase awareness for the second series. That's assuming it's a good programme.”

Exactly. Denials from Amazon mean absolutely nothing at this stage. It happened with Ripper Street - okay, so slightly different circumstances there - but I think it could well happen again here, especially as Wilman and co are very very keen on the idea. And it could be good for Amazon in the long run if viewers really take to it and don't want to have to wait for it to turn up on broadcast.

cylon6

29-09-2016

I'd watch this over Top Gear every single time.

sunbeam007

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Exactly. Denials from Amazon mean absolutely nothing at this stage. It happened with Ripper Street - okay, so slightly different circumstances there - but I think it could well happen again here, especially as Wilman and co are very very keen on the idea. And it could be good for Amazon in the long run if viewers really take to it and don't want to have to wait for it to turn up on broadcast.”

Yep and we are back on the contract debate again. How many years is the Amazon/Clarkson contract? Should ITV demand more than one series? What if they only get one series and it's a huge hit and Amazon won't give them a second series? Is that a betrayal?
What if Amazon insist on three series from ITV and it's a flop and ITV are lumbered with spending millions buying a dud. Is that fair?

Decisions, decisions.

cylon6

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Yep and we are back on the contract debate again. How many years is the Amazon/Clarkson contract? Should ITV demand more than one series? What if they only get one series and it's a huge hit and Amazon won't give them a second series? Is that a betrayal?
What if Amazon insist on three series from ITV and it's a flop and ITV are lumbered with spending millions buying a dud. Is that fair?

Decisions, decisions.”

It's a series made by Amazon for Amazon not made by Amazon for another broadcaster. Different decisions here.

wizzywick

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Don't watch live tv. ”

I like watching live TV. As long as it's BBC1. I do watch Gogglebox live because I enjoy it. I find FWD'ing ads just as annoying as watching them. It still steals from the flow of the show. Never used to be a problem when there were fewer ad breaks.

wizzywick

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“It's a series made by Amazon for Amazon not made by Amazon for another broadcaster. Different decisions here.”

Indeed. It will always be shown on Amazon Prime before anyone else can show it. It isn't the same scenario as Bake Off.

sunbeam007

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“It's a series made by Amazon for Amazon not made by Amazon for another broadcaster. Different decisions here.”

But it would effectively become a show made by Amazon for (also) ITV. The decisions for ITV are the same risk and reward decisions as the BBC and C4 had with GBBO or Big Brother or The Voice or horse racing.

Is x worth the risk...
Is switching channels for more money worth the risk...

wizzywick

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“But it would effectively become a show made by Amazon for (also) ITV. The decisions for ITV are the same risk and reward decisions as the BBC and C4 had with GBBO or Big Brother or The Voice or horse racing.

Is x worth the risk...
Is switching channels for more money worth the risk...”

Well, I guess ITV will agree to a "deal" with the knowledge it could be sold to other broadcasters. After all, it isn't an ITV commission. It's an acquisition.

sunbeam007

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Well, I guess ITV will agree to a "deal" with the knowledge it could be sold to other broadcasters. After all, it isn't an ITV commission. It's an acquisition.”

True. And that applies to commissions too. Channels will probably look to protect themselves with better contracts and pay a bit more for the option.

Ray Tings

29-09-2016

Including +1:

DCI Banks: 3.24m (15.5%)
Can't Pay? We'll Take It Away!: 1.7m (8.3%)
Penelope Keith's Hidden Villages: 1m (4.3%)

sheepiefarm

29-09-2016

It would seem that ITV Media have just decided that yesterday didn't exist and just given us Tuesday's ratings again for Wednesday

wizzywick

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“True. And that applies to commissions too. Channels will probably look to protect themselves with better contracts and pay a bit more for the option.”

In my view, acquisitions are totally different to commissions. The BBC commissioned Bake Off. Therefore the show should have been made for the BBC. They didn't buy the show in, they commissioned it and paid Love Productions to make it for them instead of making it themselves.

When films move channels it doesn't matter. They were acquisitions and as such can be sold to different broadcasters. Sports rights are also not commissions, they're just contracts up for sale. If we start regarding commissions and acquisitions in the same category, then broadcasting is in serious trouble.

Ray Tings

29-09-2016

From ITV Media:

Wednesday Top 10 (inc. +1)

1 BBC One - 08:00 PM The Great British Bake Off 10.541m 45%
2 ITV - 07:30 PM Coronation Street 6.214m 33%
3 ITV - 07:00 PM Emmerdale 5.537m 33%
4 BBC One - 06:30 PM Regional News and Weather 4.757m 30%
5 BBC One - 06:00 PM BBC News at Six 4.230m 29%
6 BBC One - 09:00 PM Our Girl 4.055m 19%
7 BBC One - 10:00 PM BBC News at Ten 4.042m 26%
8 BBC One - 07:00 PM The One Show 3.271m 19%
9 BBC One - 10:30 PM Regional News and Weather 3.242m 24%
10 ITV - 09:00 PM DCI Banks 3.236m 16%

Wednesday Top 10 (inc. +1) (not including the five main channels)

1 E4 - 07:00 PM Hollyoaks 576k 3.4%
2 BT Sport 2 - 07:00 PM Live Celtic v Manchester City 573k 2.8%
3 BBC Four - 09:00 PM Britain's Lost Masterpieces 515k 2.5%
4 E4 - 06:30 PM The Big Bang Theory 501k 3.1%
5 BBC Four - 08:00 PM King Alfred and the Anglo Saxons 469k 2.0%
6 5* - 06:30 PM Home and Away 442k 2.7%
7 E4 - 06:00 PM The Big Bang Theory 416k 2.8%
8 ITV2 - 09:00 PM Hell's Kitchen 378k 1.8%
9 CBeebies - 04:45 PM Peter Rabbit 376k 4.1%
10 Film4 - 09:00 PM Prometheus 374k 2.4%

Dancc

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“From ITV Media:

2 BT Sport 2 - 07:00 PM Live Celtic v Manchester City 573k 2.8%”

Bit more like it but still underwhelming for such an eventful tie.

Markynotts

29-09-2016

I would think that ITV will have some serious competition from the likes of SKY who would have much deeper pockets. The show is being released in the weeks up to Christmas, so Amazon subscriptions are the key driver with that scheduling. SKY would be able to go in with a big offer for the rights whilst keeping the programme behind a paywall.

Has any Amazon exclusive tv show managed to break out onto mainstream tv yet ?

sunbeam007

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“In my view, acquisitions are totally different to commissions. The BBC commissioned Bake Off. Therefore the show should have been made for the BBC. They didn't buy the show in, they commissioned it and paid Love Productions to make it for them instead of making it themselves.

When films move channels it doesn't matter. They were acquisitions and as such can be sold to different broadcasters. Sports rights are also not commissions, they're just contracts up for sale. If we start regarding commissions and acquisitions in the same category, then broadcasting is in serious trouble.”

Well that's an excellent point for sure.
Maybe when channels commission shows they should take part-ownership of it. This way all sides share risks and rewards.

I don't know if that's ever done now. In effect the programme is the invention and the broadcasters are the dragons in the den.

sunbeam007

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Bit more like it but still underwhelming for such an eventful tie.”

Well it's 100k more than watched Burnley v Watford ...

Is there a rating for the ITV UCL highlights show. It's actually good. First time I'd ever seen it last night.

marke09

29-09-2016

BBC Programme Info has ordinary Lies starting w/c October 17 so probbaly Tuesday night at 9pm

thengp12

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“I would think that ITV will have some serious competition from the likes of SKY who would have much deeper pockets. The show is being released in the weeks up to Christmas, so Amazon subscriptions are the key driver with that scheduling. SKY would be able to go in with a big offer for the rights whilst keeping the programme behind a paywall.

Has any Amazon exclusive tv show managed to break out onto mainstream tv yet ?”

Actually I have just had a brainwave. I can see The Grand Tour on Dave more than any other channel. I think it would fit in there. Yeah it might not rate as well but it would hit the demo perfectly.

cylon6

29-09-2016

Not really. It's an acquisition like Lost, Home and Away, The Mentalist, House, Neighbours or The Simpsons which switched channels.

Much different to a broadcaster deciding to commission something from an independent, being part of it from the start. Not the same at all.

sunbeam007

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Not really. It's an acquisition like Lost, Home and Away, The Mentalist, House, Neighbours or The Simpsons which switched channels.

Much different to a broadcaster deciding to commission something from an independent, being part of it from the start. Not the same at all.”

Yeah, see my backtracking post at 7068. 😉

RickLopez

29-09-2016

World of Weird: 0.7m (5.1%) inc+1

Pizzatheaction

29-09-2016

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Not entirely directed at you, but since its moved from BBC1 to ITV this seems to be the changing opinion.

When it was on BBC1, many on here raved about it, defended it. SamuelW, ADP, icedragon used to be very vocal about supporting this show, but I imagine they have no interest in it anymore.

But its taken a move from BBC to ITV for many to admit, it isn't a very good show. In fact its pants!”

Voice isn't that bad as talent shows go, but there are a few things not quite right about it, and even after five series, there's been little sign of anyone being able to put those things right. In fact, one or two of them were made worse in the most recent run.

I think it will struggle after the first week of series six.

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