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Old 02-10-2016, 10:50
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Maybe 18:45 for a 2-hr Strictly is right on the limit (bearing in mind the original suggestion was 7pm).

They certainly film the guest artist and probably the group dance too. Not much else as many of the inserts are either from training footage, dance compilations, or backstage (all recorded).

Going by contributions on the Strictly forum from people who have attended the Saturday show, it does take some time to set everything up for the results show (allowing for voting & collation/verification of figures) and they leave the Elstree complex pretty late (post-10:30 usually after belongings & phones have been coleected). This exit has to be timed with public transport options too.



I think that practicalities and audience well-being should be the primary concern, even if ITV' & XF might appear to be an attractive target ratings-wise. The BBC would also be unwise to be so blatant as to get into a ratings war "just because they can".

When the shows have reduced in length sufficiently then of course there would be more room to manoeuvre (next week's is 5 mins shorter btw)
I thought next week's show was airing between 18.45 - 20.50 (apologies for the typing error above) which is 125 minutes long? Last night's show aired between 18.20 and 20.25... 125 minutes long.

The BBC is clearly not concerned in relation to a ratings battle with next week's scheduling, pushing Strictly back by 25 minutes and creating a 50 minute clash with The X Factor rather than the usual 25/30 minute one.

18.45 may be the cusp of when they can air the show from. Looking at next week's scheduling I wonder if they're thinking about it long term? As per above they could still fit in Match of the Day.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:52
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The producers think they're being smart with these live show choices but whos gonna choose to stay in on a Saturday to watch those two s*** freaks that Louis put through??Having seen the live show acts, I believe the reaction tonight to the judge's decisions will be even more angry than it was to last nights farce.Removing talent for unfunny unentertaining sh** rightly pisses people off.
Have you people ever watched X Factor? Novelty acts happen, you've had 13 years to get over it. Viewers don't want boring!

If you don't want any eccentrics, there's a different singing show...which only got 4.5 million this year! Compared to X Factor's 10.1 million.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:53
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The producers think they're being smart with these live show choices but whos gonna choose to stay in on a Saturday to watch those two s*** freaks that Louis put through??Having seen the live show acts, I believe the reaction tonight to the judge's decisions will be even more angry than it was to last nights farce.Removing talent for unfunny unentertaining sh** rightly pisses people off.
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The X Factor has form for this, it's nothing new. Admittedly maybe it's time they try a different approach but...

I don't like slagging off anyone taking part in the shows either. Criticise their talent yes but calling them freaks (or indeed, using their sexuality to define them) isn't right IMO.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:55
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Not surprised that the Xfactor is being trounced by Strictly. The joke acts, staged selection process and general manipulation have alienated a lot of its viewers.
I usually stick up for the show but last night was verging on ridiculous Simon ousting better singers over looks and what on earth was Louis doing fair enough he takes the sun bed act through why would you then pick another pair.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:55
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It was quite striking looking at mid 90's Casualty and seeing 18 million figures the other day. Up there with a number of huge ITV returnable populist drama's in the same era. Casualty is the only survivor but it seems rather sad to be saying its "doing a job" with 4 million and a bit.
Whilst this is true, and leaving aside the fact that the 1990s television landscape is vastly different to today's, Casualty in 2016 is a very different beast to Casualty of the early to mid 1990s. Then, it was an autumn / winter critically acclaimed, well written medical drama with razor sharp scripts and performances. Now it's an all-year-round bland soap opera (with a few unchallenging medical bits thrown in for good measure) that has been progressively bled dry by the BBC. The irony of Casualty holding up with 4m+ viewers is that post 30th anniversary, recent episodes have slipped back into mediocrity. It also isn't helped by the fact you have all-year-round Holby City further diluting the brand.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:55
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The X Factor has form for this, it's nothing new. Admittedly maybe it's time they try a different approach but...

I don't like slagging off anyone taking part in the shows either. Criticise their talent yes but calling them freaks (or indeed, using their sexuality to define them) isn't right IMO.
true but usually their is only one Sharon did not like Honey G let see what choice she makes tonight.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:59
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I just knew Louis would put the joke act through, yet I was disappointed nonetheless. 😂

Is filming Strictly the night before not a bit of a problem? You can find out who went home with a quick Google or Twitter search.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:05
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true but usually their is only one Sharon did not like Honey G let see what choice she makes tonight.
There were three in 2010 - Niccolo, Diva Fever and Wagner. Niccolo went in week one, Diva Fever in week two and Wagner around week seven. In 2011 there was only Johnny and he could sing so they had to shoehorn him into the slot (with Goldie's withdrawal). In 2012 they had Rylan who had a couple of sing off saves and got to week 8. 2013 didn't really have one; they tried to turn San Callahan into one but Gary didn't play ball. 2014 had Blonde Electra and Stevie with the former being ditched straight away (closest to this year?) whilst last year arguably had Reggie and Bollie... who came second!
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:10
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There were three in 2010 - Niccolo, Diva Fever and Wagner. Niccolo went in week one, Diva Fever in week two and Wagner around week seven. In 2011 there was only Johnny and he could sing so they had to shoehorn him into the slot (with Goldie's withdrawal). In 2012 they had Rylan who had a couple of sing off saves and got to week 8. 2013 didn't really have one; they tried to turn San Callahan into one but Gary didn't play ball. 2014 had Blonde Electra and Stevie with the former being ditched straight away (closest to this year?) whilst last year arguably had Reggie and Bollie... who came second!
Going back further, 2009 had Jedward who made it to week 7 with a singoff save, 2008 didn't really have one although it had Daniel Evans who was slammed every week by Simon and got to week 6 with a singoff save (and Eoghan Quigg got to the final!), 2007 had Same Difference who got to third place, 2006 didn't really have one(and was probably the dullest series they've ever done), 2005 had Chico who made it to week 8 with two (controversial) singoff saves. The first series in 2004 didn't have one (although the talent was so bad half the acts would probably be considered jokes now!)

I don't know that it'll necessarily affect the ratings either way but joke acts have been a part of the show since the very early days. People whinge about them but then they whinge that the show is dull when there isn't one as well (like in 2013).
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:10
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When did I mention TV presenting? 🙄

Like it or not (I'm presuming not), Murs is still a No.1 artist and is very successful.
Err, I was joking. Thought that was obvious since he's rubbish at it....
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:14
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I just knew Louis would put the joke act through, yet I was disappointed nonetheless. 😂

Is filming Strictly the night before not a bit of a problem? You can find out who went home with a quick Google or Twitter search.
If people want to find out the result they can, I suspect most don't particularly care either way. Viewing figures suggest that.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:17
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There were three in 2010 - Niccolo, Diva Fever and Wagner. Niccolo went in week one, Diva Fever in week two and Wagner around week seven. In 2011 there was only Johnny and he could sing so they had to shoehorn him into the slot (with Goldie's withdrawal). In 2012 they had Rylan who had a couple of sing off saves and got to week 8. 2013 didn't really have one; they tried to turn San Callahan into one but Gary didn't play ball. 2014 had Blonde Electra and Stevie with the former being ditched straight away (closest to this year?) whilst last year arguably had Reggie and Bollie... who came second!
Reggie and Bollie could genuinely sing though, they weren't a novelty act. They actually had potential to sell records.

Previous novelty acts have been likeable, this year's pair are just awful. The public won't take to them. I bet they've already signed up to CBB.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:17
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I used to wonder why ITV didn't really shake-up XF by starting in mid-Oct and finishing in February. Have a clear run in January with no SCD and have short auditions up against most of SCD. Release a Xmas charity record and do a special show at Xmas rather than a live one. Return in the new year to huge ratings.

You're still on for the Xmas advertising and you don't have to 'rest' the show.
Won't happen of course. XF could have launched Dance Dance Dance. The Voice start in late March.

Simon doesn't have to do American Idol anymore.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:18
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If people want to find out the result they can, I suspect most don't particularly care either way. Viewing figures suggest that.
I guess so, it also helps a good proportion of the Strictly audience can't use Twitter.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:24
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I guess so, it also helps a good proportion of the Strictly audience can't use Twitter.
No. We can use twitter. It's just that many of us choose not to. There is no point to it. What genuine purpose, in the scale of things, does it serve?
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:24
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I just knew Louis would put the joke act through, yet I was disappointed nonetheless. 😂
I don't even have to look to know who you are most likely talking about.

As predictable as night following day. X Factor never changes !
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:25
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I thought next week's show was airing between 18.45 - 20.50 (apologies for the typing error above) which is 125 minutes long? Last night's show aired between 18.20 and 20.25... 125 minutes long.
Sorry, my mistake, I'm sure I read it as 20:45 for next week.

The BBC is clearly not concerned in relation to a ratings battle with next week's scheduling, pushing Strictly back by 25 minutes and creating a 50 minute clash with The X Factor rather than the usual 25/30 minute one.
There's creating a "ratings battle" for the hell of it, and there's creating one because the schedules flow better or because of other programming requirements. I have no problem with the latter.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:25
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Jedward
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The X Factor has form for this, it's nothing new. Admittedly maybe it's time they try a different approach but...

I don't like slagging off anyone taking part in the shows either. Criticise their talent yes but calling them freaks (or indeed, using their sexuality to define them) isn't right IMO.
Have you people ever watched X Factor? Novelty acts happen, you've had 13 years to get over it. Viewers don't want boring!

If you don't want any eccentrics, there's a different singing show...which only got 4.5 million this year! Compared to X Factor's 10.1 million.
Yes I have watched the show since the beginning and am well aware of the novelty history.The thing with the likes of Jedward,Wagner etc is that they actually had some talent and charisma and were pure entertainment. The selection of past novelty acts actually were plausible and they were submitted alongside a wide diverse range of talent which this year's selection certainly does not. Past judge's decisions have been plausible where this year's series has been BIZARRE and almost admittedly exposed the producer's control.We're supposed to believe that Louis originally sent the two home but SIMON of all people wanted them back and Sharon will put through Honey G who she sent home (which we know we will) over people she and the judges championed?
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:27
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Strictly Come Dancing : 9.18m (44.6%)
* peak 10.25m (48.2%) at 7.45

The X Factor: 6.81m (32.8%) Inc +1
* peak 8.12m (39.0%) at 20.40

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From rzt:

Strictly Come Dancing : 9.18m (44.6%)
* peak 10.25m (48.2%) at 7.45

The X Factor: 6.81m (32.8%) Inc +1
* peak 8.12m (39.0%) at 20.40

Excellent for Strictly. I think XF is where people expected it to be? Anyway, the merry go round of repeating the same points ad nauseam on here will continue.
Fantastic for SCD - very disappointing for the XF.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:28
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If people want to find out the result they can, I suspect most don't particularly care either way. Viewing figures suggest that.
And it's only a problem if you make it so. Otherwise you don't google it or look on Twitter (or venture into the clearly-marked spoiler thread on the Strictly forum)
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:28
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I used to wonder why ITV didn't really shake-up XF by starting in mid-Oct and finishing in February. Have a clear run in January with no SCD and have short auditions up against most of SCD. Release a Xmas charity record and do a special show at Xmas rather than a live one. Return in the new year to huge ratings.

You're still on for the Xmas advertising and you don't have to 'rest' the show.
Won't happen of course. XF could have launched Dance Dance Dance. The Voice start in late March.

Simon doesn't have to do American Idol anymore.
Not sure if the Xmas number one is still a big thing but that was always the target for the winner and getting max publicly out of it.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:32
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I don't even have to look to know who you are most likely talking about.

As predictable as night following day. X Factor never changes !
You knew it was coming didn't you? The most surprising thing is that it is still considered shocking that they've gone through.

Admittedly I did laugh when they turned up for the result dressed as centurions because they wanted to show Louis they were "ready for battle in the live shows."

I notice Brian Friedman is back working on the live shows this year (a bit surprising given a couple of comments he made in the jungle last year) - they obviously wouldn't deprive him of a novelty act to work with.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:33
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We're supposed to believe that Louis originally sent the two home but SIMON of all people wanted them back and Sharon will put through Honey G who she sent home (which we know we will) over people she and the judges championed?
Oh wow. This season sounds sillier than any other before it.

I know it's supposed to be a bit of fun on a Saturday night, but at the end of the day it is people's futures they are toying with, and I don't think viewers like being treated like idiots particularly.
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Old 02-10-2016, 11:33
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And it's only a problem if you make it so. Otherwise you don't google it or look on Twitter (or venture into the clearly-marked spoiler thread on the Strictly forum)
Yes. I agree. If people want to find anything out, they will. Most won't. I have also spotted the "controversy" surrounding tonights SCD.

Only read the following spoiler if you want to know the outcome.

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Old 02-10-2016, 11:39
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Novelty acts - what these singing shows are all about. They get people talking and in the case of Wagner you couldn't predict when he would be voted out.

I just knew Louis would put the joke act through, yet I was disappointed nonetheless. 😂

Is filming Strictly the night before not a bit of a problem? You can find out who went home with a quick Google or Twitter search.
So much for the Strictly Oath.

Don't think it makes much of a difference, because most viewers want to see the manner in which the celebrity left the show.
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