There's having bias and then there's a hostile bias. You have a hostile bias. For example, Dancc quite harmlessly commented on an aspect of X Factor (without mentioning you) and you attacked him with a personal comment. Now considering he never mentioned you, that was hostility on your part wasn't it? Moreover, saying only the opinion of four people are worthwhile is also rather hostile.

I feel like we hit this stage during every series of The X Factor after Judges Houses - even series seven when the live acts were revealed... remember the storm surrounding Katie and Cher and how people were going to switch off and never watch again? Every year we get 'worst series ever'.

Saying that there must be a reason the live shows have seen a decline through their run of late and I'm not sure if this year's picks will help with that. But then again which acts were stunning and out there enough to truly feel robbed? Especially as Caitlyn forgot her lyrics.

Have the XF producers lost their minds? Do they really crave this awful publicity so much? I cannot see this weekends farce having a good end result for the show..

My mistake. In the show tonight we saw him being sent home from the rooms at the end of boot camp, so I assumed that was his last performance.

This thread is literally the same every Sunday.

I didn't mind Strictly personally, it was a shame for the losing couple who didn't have an opportunity to save themselves but it would have also been unfair on Anastacia to have to dance again given her injury that was finally explained tonight. I can't imagine she'll be too popular after tonight, though.

With regards to The X Factor, it makes a mockery of the whole format when somebody who was sent home at bootcamp (alongside many others) is shoehorned into judges' houses as a wildcard and is now in the live shows, completely skipping over the six chair challenge (at least as a solo act - I don't watch The Xtra Factor).

The whole wildcard thing is pointless and doesn't even add anything to the show, anyway. Not that any of them were true wildcards. We're meant to believe that all four judges had a change of heart - that acts that they didn't even have in their top six originally are now in their top three after being brought back by another judge?

Other than that I like a couple of the contestants going through to the live shows. It was a shame that some extremely talented singers were pushed out of the way for the obligatory joke acts, but it is what it is. The producers decided long ago what they want the show to be and nobody should be surprised, really.

Can't imagine any spectacular ratings coming out tomorrow morning. I would be surprised if Poldark didn't finally come out ahead of Victoria (inc. +1). Strictly should give a leg up to the whole schedule.

It's been much worse today, a new low, gangs of people having a go at one other person because they have a different view, trying to drive them off the forum. Not one on one but a large group. Posts deliberately intended to wind people up etc.

It seems to me the thread is best avoided for 48 hours between Saturday teatime and Monday teatime.

SCD is like a halo over the BBC1 schedule. Countryfile will be up 1.5m+ from last weeks 5m. AR will be over 6m, and Poldark hitting a series high.

I think Victoria will stay stable, but TXF to drop to low 6m. I predict:

Countryfile 6.6m
SCD 8.8m
AR 6.1m
Poldark 5.4m

TXF 6.3m
Victoria 5.2m

SCD skews older than TXF, so naturally it follows logic that everything else on BBC1 gets a boost.

And every series the Live shows drop too another low. It makes sense. I believe if TXf had all genuine talented singers, and those who are interesting (no joke act in sight) the ratings would remain stable.

But each year the joke acts put viewers off, and each year the Live shows decline (look at BGT when they have some crud go through to the Live's). ITV and Simon must be pretty thick if they think a joke act will pull in viewers. It might cause outrage and publicity, but will viewing figures rise? No they won't. It only stregthen's TXF's rival SCD, as more viewers turn to the 'better' talent show as they see it. As TXF gets weaker, SCD gets stronger and more resiliant.

Which explains why series 10, with no novelty acts (though still a great series), saw a drop for its live shows YOY. It also explains why The Voice, with no novelty acts, is millions behind this year's XF. It also explains why the highest episode of the series so far (third auditions) peaked during the #Chickengate segment.

Honestly I've never seen a response to joke acts this hysterical, and I've been watching since 2013.

Btw, I'm guessing Meet the Parents will follow on from Go For It. Both I imagine will be set for the axe.

What is going to follow Newziods after it finishes next week? I notice last night, despite JR having Britney Spears on, he still couldn't top 2m. I can't believe his show is still gong. I know this is the last series, but for heaven sake. ITV really are flogging a dead horse.

Newzoids I think should be commissioned for ITV2. It should fit better there, as it seems to be pretty niche for the main ITV channel.

Then you have clearly not been watching TXF long enough to get bored with the 'joke' acts. I've been watching since TXF launched.

The 'joke' act does begin to wear thin, especially when they are fame hungry talentless twits (Rylan is a good example as it the current Louis Walsh mistake). All they want is fame.

One of the most tabloid headlines I've ever seen on tomorrow's Daily Star front page:

"Strictly In Crisis Over Boob Hell"

Surely they missed a trick by not doing "Strictly In Crisis Over Beeb Boob Hell"?

I agree with H. They've made some valid points.

I've been watching XF since Day 1 - and this final 12 is really really bad with just a few good ones. They could have put through loads of good singers but instead put through a load of rubbish. I'm a big fan of XF, but there's been some seriously questionable decisions this weekend. If Honey G or Louis' novelty act win they've only got themselves to blame. After such a promising start this year, the wheels have well and truly come off tonight. I'm really disappointed with this weekends shows, as are many others.

I'm with you in that there were many disappointing results tonight - Christian being perhaps the most robbed XF act ever - but I think "load of rubbish" and other reactions of the sort are very unwarranted. They're good singers, just perhaps not the best in their category. And I really don't think Caitlyn was live show material for instance, she would have been boring.

And yes I think Ottavio and Bradley are fame-hungry unlikeable morons, but thankfully they seem to me like week 1 fodder (in a Blonde Electra sort of way). Don't understand the reaction to Honey G - she cracks me up and is in it for a bit of a laugh. A bit like Stevi I find her quite likeable. People really need to take a few chill pills.

It might impact upon the rating somewhat, though again the predictions have been very OTT tonight. Low 6s during the 10 weeks seems like a fair bet, perhaps it could have been high 6s were a few acts different but I don't think it'll matter so much. My ratings predictions are often wrong however...

People are right about XF. They've made a right balls up. I assumed there would be live show wild cards (which would have been ridiculous after judges houses wild cards, but hey ho)?

I'd just like to say I've read everything today but have nothing to contribute. It's good reading. Carry on!

I don't think it's good reading, it's spoiling the thread.

Well it's reading anyway.

After Victoria finishes next week, does anyone know what will be in the Sunday 9pm slot? Feels weird without Downton.

Tutankhamen apparently.

Film: Groundhog Day (Premiere): 9.18m
ITV, 23rd October 1996, 8pm

People who agree with him and try to push XF's mediocre figures as being good.

Well, having read this before watching it I was assuming this was going to be something spectacular like one of the favourites crashing out, when what we actually got was the favourite to be eliminated being eliminated. I don't see what was wrong with any of that. If anything it was fairer.


Well, she was injured. I don't know what else they could have done. And there was no way the judges would have picked Melvin over her in the dance-off, whatever happened. Apart from the Star's delightful "BOOB HELL" headline the tabloids don't seem to mind either. A total non-story, I reckon.