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For goodness sake, get off your bloody high horse. This is the second time you've made personal comments towards Dancc, who was simply commenting on the SHOW not you personally. Why make it personal?
Christ only knows how you've arrived at the claim it's the biggest show on commercial TV. I don't see how what I wrote is at all personal, just refuting his (in my view, a touch ridiculous) points. |
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I meant the biggest show on commercial TV at present.
I don't see how what I wrote is at all personal, just refuting his (in my view, a touch ridiculous) points. Mentioning one of Dannc's personal interests is not relevant to X Factor is it? That makes it personal. And unnecessary. |
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I meant the biggest show on commercial TV at present.
I don't see how what I wrote is at all personal, just refuting his (in my view, a touch ridiculous) points. Using someone's posting history against them in that way is very low behaviour I'm afraid. We all find different things interesting, it doesn't make us weird. Some only come here to look at big numbers and that's fine, but I can appreciate a show like Can't Pay doing 2m+ every week on C5 just as much as a show on ITV doing 6m+. As for whether or not X Factor is or isn't regressing, forgive me if I don't take seriously a view on this matter from the very person who this morning had to be corrected on it being down year-on-year after they initally declared it was up! |
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"Stick to talking about C5 shows with 400k viewers" was not remotely personal at all, was it?
Using someone's posting history against them in that way is very low behaviour I'm afraid. We all find different things interesting, it doesn't make us weird. Some only come here to look at big numbers and that's fine, but I can appreciate a show like Can't Pay doing 2m+ every week on C5 just as much as a show on ITV doing 6m+. As for whether or not X Factor is or isn't regressing, forgive me if I don't take seriously a view on this matter from the very person who this morning had to be corrected on it being down year-on-year after they initally declared it was up! Don't rise to his trolling bait |
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Incidentally on the way home from work they were talking about it on the radio and the presenter admitted fast forwarding through most of it, including the judges comments. Says a lot. Would never have happened back in the day. And Sharon and Nicole got the name of the act the novelty act they were sending home wrong. Also says a lot.
Mid 6's is okay I guess in today's ratings, but they've been well and truly left behind by Strictly now and the ever increasing gap will be making ITV increasingly uncomfortable I suspect. It's not so much about losing bragging rights, or not being able to schedule as aggressively as they would like; but rather, it underlines the extent to which they are not achieving their full potential in that slot. It's not like the soap situation whereby there's been consistent declines across the board. The demand for high quality Light Entertainment via broadcast is as strong as ever, indeed ITV's very own I'm A Celebrity is an example of that, but X Factor is still regressing despite on paper more things going for it this year, and so if ITV have anything about them at all as our main commercial broadcaster they will strive for better sooner rather than later. That doesn't necessarily mean cancel the show when it's still capable of doing a job, but the need to reduce their dependence on it in Q4 has never been greater. Especially with Downton gone as well. And something that has been in my head all day about XF. Not about ratings, so probably not the right place to write this, but that jukebox?! It's so naff! It felt like that big wheel on The Price is Right (which I loved as a kid, bring it back!). When I watched the results last night something seemed really off about it. Like the energy and verve had gone. I can't put my finger on it. I remember those peak years of 2009 and 2010 when everyone talked about it, and deservedly so as it was a powerhouse despite despising everything Simon Cowell stands for with a passion re his music and dropping a lot of artists after a short space of time. It felt like an event, and event TV in general is lacking these days. X Factor is simply just another entertainment show that is long past its glory years now. Gone way off topic so I apologise. But hey, it's an opinion. And Dan R dismissing Dancc's opinion was uncalled for. Would this thread really be one sided? It's a TV show that lasts for 4 months, other programmes come along in quick succession. |
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As for whether or not X Factor is or isn't regressing, forgive me if I don't take seriously a view on this matter from the very person who this morning had to be corrected on it being down year-on-year after they initally declared it was up!
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It is what this thread expects and receives from him.
Don't rise to his trolling bait Face it, if it weren't for me this thread would be 100% one-sided - which I'm sure you'd love. |
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I'm sorry for not knowing all the ratings by-heart....
I just have a different perspective to most on this thread, don't make me a troll. Face it, if it weren't for me this thread would be 100% one-sided - which I'm sure you'd love. |
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Oh Dancc....
It's the most-watched show on commercial TV, dear. It's not regressing, it's stable and has many years left in it. Striving to replace a show with 8, 9, 10 million viewers is really going to be easy, isn't it? Maybe stick to talking about Channel 5 shows with 400k viewers. Any small decline the show has been posting this year actually bucks the overall decline for singing shows, considering The Voice was down a staggering 2 million this year.... And I found Sharon getting the name wrong very funny, because I watch to be entertained, not to come and doom-monger in the ratings thread... His post was based on fact - I heard the same radio broadcast also - and definitely wasn't deliberately antagonistic. I suggest you apologise immediately. |
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There is no need to be so rude to a fellow poster is there? A poster which, I might add, is one of this thread's most consistent in terms of high quality and balance.
His post was based on fact - I heard the same radio broadcast also - and definitely wasn't deliberately antagonistic. I suggest you apologise immediately. Apologies if I caused genuine offence. Shall we all be friends?
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That's absolutely spot on. I don't know if ITV will be uncomfortable though. Maybe relieved that it hasn't dropped any more? But as you say, it is doing a decent job. I think the task for it is to stay consistent. If it drops any more, like into the 5's regularly, then alarm bells will ring.
And something that has been in my head all day about XF. Not about ratings, so probably not the right place to write this, but that jukebox?! It's so naff! It felt like that big wheel on The Price is Right (which I loved as a kid, bring it back!). When I watched the results last night something seemed really off about it. Like the energy and verve had gone. I can't put my finger on it. I remember those peak years of 2009 and 2010 when everyone talked about it, and deservedly so as it was a powerhouse despite despising everything Simon Cowell stands for with a passion re his music and dropping a lot of artists after a short space of time. It felt like an event, and event TV in general is lacking these days. X Factor is simply just another entertainment show that is long past its glory years now. Gone way off topic so I apologise. But hey, it's an opinion. And Dan R dismissing Dancc's opinion was uncalled for. Would this thread really be one sided? It's a TV show that lasts for 4 months, other programmes come along in quick succession. |
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I'm sorry for not knowing all the ratings by-heart....
I just have a different perspective to most on this thread, don't make me a troll. Face it, if it weren't for me this thread would be 100% one-sided - which I'm sure you'd love. |
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After an initial pilot that aired on BBC One as part of the reinstated Comedy Playhouse strand earlier this year, BBC Comedy has commissioned a full series of Hospital People, produced by Rough Cut Television for 2017.
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Try saying bold part with a straight face.
Apologies if I caused genuine offence. Shall we all be friends? ![]() |
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Incidentally on the way home from work they were talking about it on the radio and the presenter admitted fast forwarding through most of it, including the judges comments. Says a lot. Would never have happened back in the day. And Sharon and Nicole got the name of the act the novelty act they were sending home wrong. Also says a lot.
Mid 6's is okay I guess in today's ratings, but they've been well and truly left behind by Strictly now and the ever increasing gap will be making ITV increasingly uncomfortable I suspect. It's not so much about losing bragging rights, or not being able to schedule as aggressively as they would like; but rather, it underlines the extent to which they are not achieving their full potential in that slot. It's not like the soap situation whereby there's been consistent declines across the board. The demand for high quality Light Entertainment via broadcast is as strong as ever, indeed ITV's very own I'm A Celebrity is an example of that, but X Factor is still regressing despite on paper more things going for it this year, and so if ITV have anything about them at all as our main commercial broadcaster they will strive for better sooner rather than later. That doesn't necessarily mean cancel the show when it's still capable of doing a job, but the need to reduce their dependence on it in Q4 has never been greater. Especially with Downton gone as well. Both channels need more LE hits. BBC1 have Sundays sorted though. |
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Try saying bold part with a straight face.
Apologies if I caused genuine offence. Shall we all be friends? ![]() |
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SCD is still doing well because they have never made any drastic changes so it's a 'comfortable' watch. It's the same for I'm a Ceebrity and BGT. They've evolved over time so are still different shows to when they first started, but X Factor is constantly changing to the point it becomes a different show each year.
As you say, this years panel is good but it's what they should have went with in 2014 and not made any changes since, and the figures would tell a different story. It would probably be rating a good 2-3m above where it is now. Strictly will be doing well because you've got the older viewers who have always been there and then increasing numbers of younger viewers who are attracted by the increasingly younger feel since Brucie left, and they won't have been watching for all 12 years or however long it's been. Also shows featuring celebrities tend to have a longer life than those featuring members of the public, as even if the format gets tired, there's always a few celebs who hook you back in for another year. The likes of Big Brother and even Who wants to be a Millionaire? Support this theory. A combination of being on the BBC, being old skewing, and featuring celebs will be why Strictly continues strongly as ever. All key elements of a long success. I do often wonder how long the current SCD vs TXF era will continue though. Blind Date vs Noel's House Party was a ratings war at the time but it probably only lasted about 5 years. Whereas people remember 90s telly, this era is basically going to be all of 00s and 10s telly, and maybe even into the 20s? And it's a bit ironic someone on commercial radio criticising The X Factor when a large amount of their content is made up of snippets of throwaway TXF gossip in between 10 songs back to back. Like the papers, they love to hate it, but would miss it when it's gone. They wouldn't get many column inches out of an episode of Catchphrase. |
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It is what this thread expects and receives from him.
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That's absolutely spot on. I don't know if ITV will be uncomfortable though. Maybe relieved that it hasn't dropped any more? But as you say, it is doing a decent job. I think the task for it is to stay consistent. If it drops any more, like into the 5's regularly, then alarm bells will ring.
And something that has been in my head all day about XF. Not about ratings, so probably not the right place to write this, but that jukebox?! It's so naff! It felt like that big wheel on The Price is Right (which I loved as a kid, bring it back!). When I watched the results last night something seemed really off about it. Like the energy and verve had gone. I can't put my finger on it. I remember those peak years of 2009 and 2010 when everyone talked about it, and deservedly so as it was a powerhouse despite despising everything Simon Cowell stands for with a passion re his music and dropping a lot of artists after a short space of time. It felt like an event, and event TV in general is lacking these days. X Factor is simply just another entertainment show that is long past its glory years now. Quote:
I just have a different perspective to most on this thread, don't make me a troll.
Face it, if it weren't for me this thread would be 100% one-sided - which I'm sure you'd love. |
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Your attitude towards innocent posters is very troll like. I don't want to encourage a clique, but you put yourself in these situations.
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This is exactly how I felt about it last night. There was more than an element of going through the motions about it. It's a shame after a largely good series upto now.
![]() You might call it 'going through the motions', I call it 'tradition'. Ignoring the notion of 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' is what lost the show viewers in the first place. The format, particularly the live one, is like slipping into comfy well-worn slippers - just like all the greatest entertainment formats, e.g. The Apprentice and BGT. For me, tradition and nostalgia is a part of their appeal. Of course, twists are welcomed, but systemic changes to the show's DNA would probably go down like a lead balloon. Quote:
How do you work that one out? You're not the only X Factor fan who posts on here - just the only one who thinks it's an absolutely faultless piece of television and that all criticisms of both its content and ratings performance are completely invalid and should be stamped out immediately.
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I don't think the Juke-box was anything to ruin a series. Putting through poor singers perhaps, but a Juke-Box to decide the next theme was only 5minutes or less of a 1hr show.
The X Factor is having to adapt to appease the younger, more fickle audiences. If you look at the older skewing shows, many of them (SCD, AR and Coronation Street) are the same as they were years ago. Nothing has really changed (bar quality). The younger skewing shows have adapted to stay relevant, The X Factor being the biggest example. |
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The forum is becoming unbearable, no wonder more people are leaving
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It's frustrating when you take time over a post and get rubbish back in response though. But I appreciate the comments in support, thank you guys.
Agreed. On that subject of Cowell dropping artists quickly, what's the story with James Arthur they had on last night? I remember there being a string of controversies involving him, then one of his records bombed and that was it, he was done. They don't normally come back from that. Yet this guy has not only re-signed with Cowell's label, but he's also now top of the singles chart? That's quite a turnaround, and very unlike Cowell. Just wondered if there was more to this story that I don't know. How do you work that one out? You're not the only X Factor fan who posts on here - just the only one who thinks it's an absolutely faultless piece of television and that all criticisms of both its content and ratings performance are completely invalid and should be stamped out immediately. |
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BBC 1 and Ch 4 covering the Rio 2016 parade in Manchester next Monday from 4.15 and BBC One moving the Six News to 6.30pm
Doesnt look like they are covering the London parade |
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Probably pointless info but I've just seen on the ITV press centre that Tutankhamen is only 4 episodes, so will finish on 6 November. Then the week after (13 November) I'm a Celebrity will begin again.
Obviously, not long to wait for it to start. They really need to get the casting right for IAC this year. Last year was dull and had too many reality 'stars'. |
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