Yeah, what I'm saying is it makes more sense to let TP or Chase get 2.5m v SCD then kill a new programme by running against it.

The Voice was a 5m show on BBC1 but many think it'll flop on ITV. Even if it does do well, it can't run v SCD before XF. You've got to establish two popular shows getting 5m before you can attempt to run them against SCD.

Or maybe you wait for it to grow old and concentrate on all of the other hours. Or do the idea of drama like the BBC might as you say.

The Voice Kids does have the spinning chairs. I assume it is done delicately.

Their Mums are there with a hanky I suspect.

Just had a quick look on Wikipedia and the Australian version did the spinning chairs. I presume they're done quite sensitively. Certainly on that version they put more of them through as well (15 for each coach, but only 3 coaches) and hardly aired any of the nos. The battles featured 3 contestants rather than 2 (with 1 going through) and there were no live shows, they instead pre-recorded the final with each contestant taping a winning moment, the public vote then decided which one they aired. Not sure how much of that will be kept the same for the UK show. I imagine it'll be much shorter than the adult version, I presume it'll be 6-8 weeks over the Summer? Unless they run it straight after the main series, but that would mean running alongside BGT which feels like overkill.

Still not a fan of the idea though. I think Little Big Shots is a better format. I think it'll rate okay though. I hope they put it in the Summer as 3-4m would be decent there. Emma Willis and will.i.am are confirmed for it. There will only be 3 coaches, I think the plan was to use one more from the adult version and then bring in a new one for the third seat.

Well the Beeb repeatedly turned down the option of The Voice Kids-I presume because they couldn't take the chance on even the slightest mishap.

Thank you, Jonwo.


If he isn't entirely happy to stay, for whatever reason, it's for the best.

It's more of a problem if someone withdraws towards the end of the series, when the TV schedules have been finalised weeks in advance. If the worst comes to the worst, and a couple of contestants pick up injuries, it won't be the end of the world* if the final has to take place a week early.

(*Except on this thread. )

Probably propped up by hour-long Emmerdales... any excuse.

Are ITV just treading water until Champions League bidding time begins? They must have saved a shed load of cash from their Tuesday flop zone.

On the topic of The Voice, it is mildly amusing that the show isn't even nominated for best talent show in the NTAs this year. Only the bigger 3 in the category!
One wonders if, alongside the channel move, the sub-5m figures it posted this year had a role to play in that!

Well so far tonight in this thread ITV have been slammed for NOT airing an hour long Emmerdale next week and now for airing an hour long one only in your imagination.

If it was the BBC, someone would be along with a long paragraph explaining why The Agenda is on in prime time and giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Of course Tom Bradby is on the forum's hate figures as well.

Maybe last month's 9pm Question Time has influenced their thinking. Although, part of me wonders whether it might be a way of sweetening any bitter pills on the horizon.

The Agenda on ITV at peak time, What they should be doing as it's not always about the ratings.

Well after Atlantis Beowulf and Hyde I would imagine there will be a few well bitten fingernails watching the reaction to His Dark Materials.

The Agenda's lead-in next Tuesday is Fishing Impossible.

The Agenda is only in prime time for 2 weeks by the way.

It'll be an interesting one, all those who regularly quip that ITV only show soaps and The X Factor and general low brow fare, will now be slating the low rating of a prime time politics series.

Exactly the point. It's only 2 weeks. Hardly a brave scheduling move and doesn't really make much of an impact if they were that serious in mixing up the schedules.

Trying out this The Agenda series is fine, but ITV have for so long not bothered with Tuesday's that it had rather become a dumping ground and viewers seem to avoid ITV on Tuesday for 90% of the content they put there, which is usually rubbish. So the circle continues, viewers avoid ITV, ratings are low, ITV put on crap...and so on.

I know for a fact The Agenda will be under 2m, my preduction is 1.4m. I think in the 10.35pm slot The Agenda pulls in between 800k-1m. Despite the more exposed slot to a bigger audience, it will do no better.

Do you not think ITV should be investing more on Tuesday's and building it up into a stronger night? Putting The Agenda at 8pm will not do this.

I just don't understand some people on this forum. You complain that ITV are not making an effort on Tuesdays and putting junk on it and then when they put something on i.e the Agenda people are still not satisfied. No one is expecting this to turn around ITV's dismal Tuesdays but it is showing now that they are testing the waters.

I assume The Agenda is a kind of show they can quickly commission further episodes for supposing it takes off. Not that I can see it happening...

It feels like ITV have just given up on the night though; there seems to being no thought process going into schedule - it's factual after factual after factual. The Agenda is hardly a massive step away from that.

It comes to something when National Geographic probably has a more varied selection across an evening.

We don't know why Will Young has left. Where has all this depression talk come from ADP? That's quite a leap.

Let's wait and see.

I think the BBC ticket unit might disagree with you there! Also I imagine that the various interval acts have been booked for months. It might not be the end of the world but it would certainly be a disaaaaaster, darling especially for the heads that would inevitably roll! Departure from schedule is undoubtedly one of the scenarios in the "must not be allowed to happen even in a nuclear war" file!

ITV and sky combined might offer £750m. That'll be at least £250m below what BT offers. I doubt UEFA will sacrifice money for ratings. One wonders if ITV might be doing a deal with BT for that very reason as ITV don't need sky.


The Voice was on so long ago that I doubt many would vote for it. There's clearly a big advantage to shows that are on during the voting process.


I agree with you on the basic sentiment ... But ...

The Agenda is a round table talk show. It's not special in any way even though it is closer to current affairs than to factual.

This is not World in Action which is possibly the finest current affairs programme the UK has ever had. People didn't watch that either but you knew it was meaty. All we have now are $2 steaks bah gawd.

If they don't want to go as intense as World in Action or Panorama then I would rather they ripped off 60 Minutes which is worthy and more commercial.


If they have one fewer contestant this week, do they need to shorten the length of the show? I know they won't so really a better question is how they'll fill out the time?

BBC Radio is saying Young left because of a disagreement with Len Goodman over judging

If that's true then you would have to say it's pretty pathetic on his part.
Other celebs have had it far far worse but took on the chin.

Hollyoaks did a 'same 24 hour period from different characters perspective' week recently. That's probably where the new ED boss got the idea from since he's ex Hollyoaks and would've been there when it was planned.

More like filling more primetime slots on the cheap.

Filling more primetime slots with shows that should not be in primetime.

Official or the same speculation that is on various news sites? He didn't look particularly enthralled to be there before the Len incident tbh.

In the exchange referred to, Will seemed most bothered that his dancing had been criticised. Shock horror. Re: the 'keep up and shut up' comment or whatever it was, that was blunt, but Len being grumpy is nothing new/out of the ordinary. In fact immediately after Len had said it he said it was a joke which none of the papers have noted. Will seemed OK after it too, well as OK as he's ever looked on the show.

You'd have to be thin skinned to quit over Len's comments. Although I appreciate that Will has had his demons in the past which may have made him more sensitive to criticism. However that doesn't mean everyone on SCD should have to walk on eggshells around him. He chose to enter after all. It feels wrong speculating at this point anyway as it could be anything.